So you want an RX100?..
Discussion
MysteryLemon said:
er... 4112 x 3088 max?... Really? The day Canon released the G7x?Too big. The RX100 is already border-line.
If I'm going to carry something that won't fit in a pocket then it needs to compete with all the various interchangeable lens systems and things like the Fuji X100. It's a shame as I really like the little Panasonics that I've used in the past, but I feel the LX100 is a missed opportunity.
If I'm going to carry something that won't fit in a pocket then it needs to compete with all the various interchangeable lens systems and things like the Fuji X100. It's a shame as I really like the little Panasonics that I've used in the past, but I feel the LX100 is a missed opportunity.
Mr Will said:
Too big. The RX100 is already border-line.
I'm going to go with this.It's the old argument that if it won't fit in your pocket then you might as well go nuts and carry a DSLR, interchangeable lens system or bridge camera.
As Mr Will says, the RX100 just, and only just, fits in a pocket.
I wouldn't want anything bigger.
Yes there are much better cameras than the RX100 but they are also bigger, and the whole reason that people go nuts over the RX100 is that it is simply the best camera that still fits in a pocket.
Thats not the Panasonic to be interested in, but this is:
http://gadgets.ndtv.com/mobiles/news/panasonic-lum...
Finally a smart phone with a decent sensor/lens combo.
http://gadgets.ndtv.com/mobiles/news/panasonic-lum...
Finally a smart phone with a decent sensor/lens combo.
There is always the old GM1 or the new GM5 (EVF)
http://www.dpreview.com/articles/8360832069/hands-...
http://www.dpreview.com/articles/8360832069/hands-...
MysteryLemon said:
You of all people should know that mega pixels mean F all in the world of taking great pictures.
Of course... but I'm so used to being able to crop... and the more pixels, etc etc... And I have nothing against lots of megapixels, I do however, have a big problem with lots of 'em on small sensors. Give me a big sensor and squillions of pixels and I'm a happy bunny.ETA - I also sell stuff that is enlarged greatly (recently 6 foot x 4 foot), and in that instance, every pixel counts!
Edited by GetCarter on Tuesday 16th September 09:38
and here's the red dot version: http://us.leica-camera.com/Photography/Compact-Cam...
NinjaPower said:
I'm going to go with this.
It's the old argument that if it won't fit in your pocket then you might as well go nuts and carry a DSLR, interchangeable lens system or bridge camera.
As Mr Will says, the RX100 just, and only just, fits in a pocket.
I wouldn't want anything bigger.
Yes there are much better cameras than the RX100 but they are also bigger, and the whole reason that people go nuts over the RX100 is that it is simply the best camera that still fits in a pocket.
Totally agree. I upgraded from the Canon S95 and S100 to the RX100mk1 and that was just about on the pocketable limit. That Panasonic looks to be around 10mm bigger in every dimension compared to RX100Mk3 (about 20mm thicker compared to the Mk1!) so not really in the pocketable camera bracket. If it won't fit in my pocket I'll might as well use my DSLR.It's the old argument that if it won't fit in your pocket then you might as well go nuts and carry a DSLR, interchangeable lens system or bridge camera.
As Mr Will says, the RX100 just, and only just, fits in a pocket.
I wouldn't want anything bigger.
Yes there are much better cameras than the RX100 but they are also bigger, and the whole reason that people go nuts over the RX100 is that it is simply the best camera that still fits in a pocket.
Mroad said:
NinjaPower said:
I'm going to go with this.
It's the old argument that if it won't fit in your pocket then you might as well go nuts and carry a DSLR, interchangeable lens system or bridge camera.
As Mr Will says, the RX100 just, and only just, fits in a pocket.
I wouldn't want anything bigger.
Yes there are much better cameras than the RX100 but they are also bigger, and the whole reason that people go nuts over the RX100 is that it is simply the best camera that still fits in a pocket.
Totally agree. I upgraded from the Canon S95 and S100 to the RX100mk1 and that was just about on the pocketable limit. That Panasonic looks to be around 10mm bigger in every dimension compared to RX100Mk3 (about 20mm thicker compared to the Mk1!) so not really in the pocketable camera bracket. If it won't fit in my pocket I'll might as well use my DSLR.It's the old argument that if it won't fit in your pocket then you might as well go nuts and carry a DSLR, interchangeable lens system or bridge camera.
As Mr Will says, the RX100 just, and only just, fits in a pocket.
I wouldn't want anything bigger.
Yes there are much better cameras than the RX100 but they are also bigger, and the whole reason that people go nuts over the RX100 is that it is simply the best camera that still fits in a pocket.
On a day to day basis what do you think of the RX100 Mk1 you purchased compared to your S95. Any comments much appreciated
rich888 said:
Mroad, was very interested in what you had to say about the Sony RX100 mk1 because my trusty Canon S100 has just failed due to the well known lens error fault, and was considering replacing it with either a Canon S120 or a Sony RX100 Mk1. I've looked at the specs for the Mk2 and don't think it warrants the expense and though the Mk3 seems to be the one to have, it's just too pricy at the moment. Am not interested in a bigger camera because they end up being left at home or in the boot of the car.
On a day to day basis what do you think of the RX100 Mk1 you purchased compared to your S95. Any comments much appreciated
I have S95 and RX100 mk 1. Sony takes better photos almost every time, but it's bigger than the Canon. Having said I have both, as soon as I got the RX100 and saw the results, I gave the Canon away.On a day to day basis what do you think of the RX100 Mk1 you purchased compared to your S95. Any comments much appreciated
GetCarter said:
rich888 said:
Mroad, was very interested in what you had to say about the Sony RX100 mk1 because my trusty Canon S100 has just failed due to the well known lens error fault, and was considering replacing it with either a Canon S120 or a Sony RX100 Mk1. I've looked at the specs for the Mk2 and don't think it warrants the expense and though the Mk3 seems to be the one to have, it's just too pricy at the moment. Am not interested in a bigger camera because they end up being left at home or in the boot of the car.
On a day to day basis what do you think of the RX100 Mk1 you purchased compared to your S95. Any comments much appreciated
I have S95 and RX100 mk 1. Sony takes better photos almost every time, but it's bigger than the Canon. Having said I have both, as soon as I got the RX100 and saw the results, I gave the Canon away.On a day to day basis what do you think of the RX100 Mk1 you purchased compared to your S95. Any comments much appreciated
Having compared a RX100 at PCWorld to my S100 several months ago I was pleasantly surprised by the similar size and weight, whilst having a much larger sensor to deal with all the pixels.
S100 99mm x 60mm x 27mm - weight 198g
RX100 102mm x 58mm x 36mm - weight 240g
I really enjoyed using the S100 till it broke, it was fast to focus, took sharp pics, and was small enough to carry around everywhere, the only thing I can complain about is the life of the battery. I bought a 2nd battery so always had one fully charged, but whenever I went away I had to carry two batteries because one just wasn't enough.
rich888 said:
Hi GetCarter and thanks for the feedback comparing your S95 and RX100 mk1, having read many reviews on dpreview.com I think the RX100 is indeed superior. I was lent a Sony DSC-HX50 whilst my S100 has been away for repair, but am not impressed with it, which is why I'm asking questions over the RX100.
Having compared a RX100 at PCWorld to my S100 several months ago I was pleasantly surprised by the similar size and weight, whilst having a much larger sensor to deal with all the pixels.
S100 99mm x 60mm x 27mm - weight 198g
RX100 102mm x 58mm x 36mm - weight 240g
I really enjoyed using the S100 till it broke, it was fast to focus, took sharp pics, and was small enough to carry around everywhere, the only thing I can complain about is the life of the battery. I bought a 2nd battery so always had one fully charged, but whenever I went away I had to carry two batteries because one just wasn't enough.
I really liked my S95 and S100 but the picture quality compared to the RX100 is night and day difference which you would hope to expect with a larger sensor. You do wonder how they managed to get such a large sensor in such a compact design and still end up with a great camera because you would have thought there were compromises somewhere.Having compared a RX100 at PCWorld to my S100 several months ago I was pleasantly surprised by the similar size and weight, whilst having a much larger sensor to deal with all the pixels.
S100 99mm x 60mm x 27mm - weight 198g
RX100 102mm x 58mm x 36mm - weight 240g
I really enjoyed using the S100 till it broke, it was fast to focus, took sharp pics, and was small enough to carry around everywhere, the only thing I can complain about is the life of the battery. I bought a 2nd battery so always had one fully charged, but whenever I went away I had to carry two batteries because one just wasn't enough.
The Canon did have more intuitive controls easy to hand and the ring click was great, the RX100 is a bit more fiddly and the ring is smooth with no click which is slightly annoying but that is nit picking (mine was set up for aperture so clicks were ideal).
I'm not sure with the later RX models but the RX100mk1 didn't come with a separate battery charger, you had to charge the battery in camera. That was easily sorted for a bargain £15 ebay 2nd battery and charger combo and has worked fine.
Size wise there is not much in it but you wouldn't want to go any bigger for a pocketable camera, especially the thickness. It fitted in the same camera case as my S100 (Always ON wrap around case with mini tripod built in).
All in all, comparing the S120 to the RX100Mk1 (so similar price point) I know I would go for the RX100.
The newer Canons seem to just add 'fluff' features that I would never use...if they upgraded the sensor it might be a different story.
The Mark1 is a bit of bargain at the moment, I can't see the Mk3 being worth twice the money of the Mk1 (looking at Amazon prices) so grab one while you can.
Mroad said:
rich888 said:
Hi GetCarter and thanks for the feedback comparing your S95 and RX100 mk1, having read many reviews on dpreview.com I think the RX100 is indeed superior. I was lent a Sony DSC-HX50 whilst my S100 has been away for repair, but am not impressed with it, which is why I'm asking questions over the RX100.
Having compared a RX100 at PCWorld to my S100 several months ago I was pleasantly surprised by the similar size and weight, whilst having a much larger sensor to deal with all the pixels.
S100 99mm x 60mm x 27mm - weight 198g
RX100 102mm x 58mm x 36mm - weight 240g
I really enjoyed using the S100 till it broke, it was fast to focus, took sharp pics, and was small enough to carry around everywhere, the only thing I can complain about is the life of the battery. I bought a 2nd battery so always had one fully charged, but whenever I went away I had to carry two batteries because one just wasn't enough.
I really liked my S95 and S100 but the picture quality compared to the RX100 is night and day difference which you would hope to expect with a larger sensor. You do wonder how they managed to get such a large sensor in such a compact design and still end up with a great camera because you would have thought there were compromises somewhere.Having compared a RX100 at PCWorld to my S100 several months ago I was pleasantly surprised by the similar size and weight, whilst having a much larger sensor to deal with all the pixels.
S100 99mm x 60mm x 27mm - weight 198g
RX100 102mm x 58mm x 36mm - weight 240g
I really enjoyed using the S100 till it broke, it was fast to focus, took sharp pics, and was small enough to carry around everywhere, the only thing I can complain about is the life of the battery. I bought a 2nd battery so always had one fully charged, but whenever I went away I had to carry two batteries because one just wasn't enough.
The Canon did have more intuitive controls easy to hand and the ring click was great, the RX100 is a bit more fiddly and the ring is smooth with no click which is slightly annoying but that is nit picking (mine was set up for aperture so clicks were ideal).
I'm not sure with the later RX models but the RX100mk1 didn't come with a separate battery charger, you had to charge the battery in camera. That was easily sorted for a bargain £15 ebay 2nd battery and charger combo and has worked fine.
Size wise there is not much in it but you wouldn't want to go any bigger for a pocketable camera, especially the thickness. It fitted in the same camera case as my S100 (Always ON wrap around case with mini tripod built in).
All in all, comparing the S120 to the RX100Mk1 (so similar price point) I know I would go for the RX100.
The newer Canons seem to just add 'fluff' features that I would never use...if they upgraded the sensor it might be a different story.
The Mark1 is a bit of bargain at the moment, I can't see the Mk3 being worth twice the money of the Mk1 (looking at Amazon prices) so grab one while you can.
Thank you for your input and I quite agree with your comments about the more recent Canon S series being more form than substance, I sent them feedback some time ago recommending that they stuck to image quality or risk getting thrashed by the phone camera gadgets, and what did they do, they added more fluff as you quite rightly put it!!!
I noticed that battery charging on the RX100 was done via the camera but didn't realise that a 2nd battery and charger combo was available elsewhere so thank you for that. I also have noted from the use of the Sony HX50 that the battery life is considerably longer than my old S100 which is good.
I'm not fooled by the 20.1M pixel count on a small sensor, all it does is make for massive file sizes with no benefit to the actual quality of the image, so the larger sensor on the RX100 is a major bonus. And from what I have read, the RX100 really does take better quality photographs. Sure a more expensive DSLR will beat it, but that's always assuming the said DSLR is to hand instead of being locked in the boot or left at home. I say this from past experience.
the-photographer said:
If you are looking for better compared to the S100 / S120 have a look at the Panasonic LF1.
the-photographer,Thank you for your suggestion and I've taken a look at the specs for the Panasonic LF1 and it does look very enticing when pitched against a Canon S100 or S120, unfortunately the Sony RX100 came along and has lifted the ante. Now that the RX100 is priced at the same level as the S120 it really does crush the opposition for image quality due to its larger sensor. Having said that, the Panasonic LF1 offers much the same specs as the S120, yet is considerably cheaper. So Canon can either rest on their laurels, reduce the price of the S series, or improve the image quality by increasing the size of the sensor and other stuff. In the meantime the LF1 will be chewing away at sales at the lower end, whilst the RX100 takes sales from customers looking for higher quality images. And to everyone else looking to post images on the web, the iPhone, Samsung, HTC and Nokia will reign supreme...
rottie102 said:
rich888 said:
So Canon can either rest on their laurels, reduce the price of the S series, or improve the image quality by increasing the size of the sensor and other stuff
http://www.canon.co.uk/For_Home/Product_Finder/Cameras/Digital_Camera/PowerShot/PowerShot_G7_x/index.htmlS100 - 99mm x 60mm x 27mm - weight 198g
RX100 - 102mm x 58mm x 36mm - weight 240g
G7 X - 103mm x 60mm x 40mm - weight 304g
EDIT: added approx size and weights
Edited by rich888 on Sunday 28th September 00:10
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