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Considering the importance of the 5D2 in the DSLR market to bring professional quality video making to the masses, I was hoping the 5D4 would do similar, in an attempt to bring back the market that Sony has stolen from underneath their feet.
The 1DX2 isn't really a film camera though, it's body shape makes it unsuitable for use on a gimbal, and in general always is and always will be for sports and news, due to its raw speed.
I mainly wanted them to do it because I want to stick with Canon, but even their Cinema body line aren't that competitive really. I guess I'm just going to keep using a 2 body system with my 5D3 for stills, as it's more than I and most need (some more DR would be nice though)
The 1DX2 isn't really a film camera though, it's body shape makes it unsuitable for use on a gimbal, and in general always is and always will be for sports and news, due to its raw speed.
I mainly wanted them to do it because I want to stick with Canon, but even their Cinema body line aren't that competitive really. I guess I'm just going to keep using a 2 body system with my 5D3 for stills, as it's more than I and most need (some more DR would be nice though)
Tests on raw files are coming out and its looking quite good.
Seems about 13.6 stops of DR and noise control is good also.
So this is about the same as the A7r2, still a bit behind the D810 but probably not enough to really notice.
Shadows are very pushable for 4 stops too, read noise is good.
Canons move to on sensor adc's is paying off, plus you get all the dual pixel goodies oto
Seems about 13.6 stops of DR and noise control is good also.
So this is about the same as the A7r2, still a bit behind the D810 but probably not enough to really notice.
Shadows are very pushable for 4 stops too, read noise is good.
Canons move to on sensor adc's is paying off, plus you get all the dual pixel goodies oto
RobDickinson said:
I was quite keen on one of these.
Then I went and bought an mx5.. oops lol
it seems a decent upgrade on the Mk3, if you own a Mk3 and its leisure don't upgrade, if your pro, you probably will buy one.Then I went and bought an mx5.. oops lol
For me with a 7D this is most certainly a big upgrade and i can't wait get one.
revrange said:
RobDickinson said:
I was quite keen on one of these.
Then I went and bought an mx5.. oops lol
it seems a decent upgrade on the Mk3, if you own a Mk3 and its leisure don't upgrade, if your pro, you probably will buy one.Then I went and bought an mx5.. oops lol
For me with a 7D this is most certainly a big upgrade and i can't wait get one.
Edited by ashleyman on Tuesday 20th September 17:30
revrange said:
it seems a decent upgrade on the Mk3, if you own a Mk3 and its leisure don't upgrade, if your pro, you probably will buy one.
For me with a 7D this is most certainly a big upgrade and i can't wait get one.
As a pro, I can't see this adding much to my workflow, not compared to competitors at least, and definitely not for the money.For me with a 7D this is most certainly a big upgrade and i can't wait get one.
ashleyman said:
I was going to stick with the mk3's as the mk4 isn't the step up I had hoped for and buy a 5DSR for lifestyle, studio, slow stuff to bridge the gap until I can justify getting a 1DX II.
have to ask why then would you need a 1dxmk2?5d4 I think will help a working pro by giving much better files than the mk3, it'll speed up processing and let you get away with poorer lighting and exposure a lot easier than older canons
RobDickinson said:
ashleyman said:
I was going to stick with the mk3's as the mk4 isn't the step up I had hoped for and buy a 5DSR for lifestyle, studio, slow stuff to bridge the gap until I can justify getting a 1DX II.
have to ask why then would you need a 1dxmk2?5d4 I think will help a working pro by giving much better files than the mk3, it'll speed up processing and let you get away with poorer lighting and exposure a lot easier than older canons
The bulk of my work is shooting sports & fashion and the lifestyle that revolves around those subjects. Mostly on location, sometimes in a studio. 90% of the time I'm using professional lighting on closed sets with lots of hands to help so the images I get from a Canon 5D MKIII are very much acceptable and I don't worry about poor lighting or exposures as I'm always re-lighting scenes even in sunshine.
The problem is in 2 parts. The first is I'm finding more and more as my shoots get larger in production and cost and the opportunity to shoot content is limited that I absolutely NEED to be shooting onto 2 cards at once. We're talking about the shoots where you've got 15 minutes at the end of a video shoot with someone like Wayne Rooney. Or those shoots where you're on location for a day shooting thousands or takes of lifestyle or fashion work and filling up cards very quickly. These are the jobs where if a card goes bust, gets lost or accidentally formatted you and the client are absolutely screwed as there's no room to re-shoot. The 5D III just isn't up to the task as the second slot is an SD slot that has very limited write speeds therefore slowing down the entire shoot process, especially when shooting sports. The 5DSR has a UHS SD port meaning I could put a massive SD card in there and have it as a master backup should anything go wrong when shooting the slower stuff. This would allow me to swap between MKIII for the movement work and the 5DSR for the portrait, lifestyle work.
The second is speed. I literally get one attempt at each scene I shoot with professional athletes. Therefore being able to shoot quickly and at a high FPS is absolutely vital. The 5D III does ok, but I know it would be better if I could shoot faster, capture more shots of the action and provide more selects to the client. Imagine setting up and lighting a scene with Messi and having him backflip and kick a ball into a goal. You get one chance, and obviously during that action there's multiple photos that could be hero images. Having the 1DXII would mean I'd get more opportunity to get those hero as it would be firing way faster for longer.
The 1D X II would be the ideal solution to both of these problems as I could be shooting onto 2 CF cards and switching them out at the same time, pocketing one and having one downloaded onto a laptop. Having the 1D X II would also mean higher FPS which means during sports shoots I could capture more action and more frames as my lighting supports Hi Speed Sync.
The majority of my work I have booked going forward isn't super fast paced so I can't justify the 1DX II and the 5DSR should be a good stop gap to pair with the 5D III. 5DSR for resolution and backup, 5D III for the speed in sports. The alternative is to buy a second hand 1DX but I don't like buying second hand camera gear as I know what I put mine through before it gets chopped in or sold.
Then when the football and sports seasons come round again and I know I have X amount of shoots with X amount of athletes I can buy my own 1D X II and 'rent' it to the production/client to pay for it over the jobs it'll be used for. I'd rather buy the 5DSR now as there's an immediate benefit to me and my clients - higher res photos than spend on a 1DXII and not use it.
If you can see anything I've missed or have a potential solution then I'm all ears as for the past 3 weeks we've been trying to work out what to do and this is the only solution we can think of that solves all the problems for minimal spend.
Ash
Edited by ashleyman on Tuesday 20th September 23:19
I've received my 5D Mk4 today.
I like it but I wasn't expecting a shocking difference from mk3.
One thing that Canon finally introduced to 5D is being able to adjust exposure compensation in Manual mode while being in Auto Iso setting. I use it all the time in my 1Dx and it was always missing in my old 5d mk3.
Feel free to ask questions if you want me to check anything.
I like it but I wasn't expecting a shocking difference from mk3.
One thing that Canon finally introduced to 5D is being able to adjust exposure compensation in Manual mode while being in Auto Iso setting. I use it all the time in my 1Dx and it was always missing in my old 5d mk3.
Feel free to ask questions if you want me to check anything.
RobDickinson said:
Does it have the 5ds/r's always on mirror lockup functions?
Should have one to play with myself soon.
Where do I check it? Sorry, I never use that function.Should have one to play with myself soon.
On a separate note, 38-40MB RAW files take a while to get used to. My cards capacities have literally halved from 1Dx...
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