Full frame worth it?
Discussion
CandC said:
Looks like Jessops are doing it for £1999 now according to Camerapricebuster.
...or you could go to HDEW and get it for £1699 (which is where I got mine). Although it's effectively a grey import, they do have a physical shop and have a good reputation in terms of dealing with any warranty issues.
Wex have dropped the price of the 5D3 to £1999 with the voucher code BF-CAN5D3 which is valid till midnight, and I also believe there is an offer on to claim up to a £590 reward from Canon when buying a Canon 5D camera AND a qualifying lens before 31 Jan 2017....or you could go to HDEW and get it for £1699 (which is where I got mine). Although it's effectively a grey import, they do have a physical shop and have a good reputation in terms of dealing with any warranty issues.
That Camera Price Buster website is brilliant for sussing out who is offering the lowest prices.
EDITED TO ADD: What on earth is going on with the quote and formatting controls on the forum?
Edited by rich888 on Monday 28th November 10:46
Edited by jeremyc on Monday 28th November 10:56
RizzoTheRat said:
I think she's finally decided a full frame might be a quite a lot of extra cash 
I see the crop sensored Canon 760D and Nikon D5500 have pretty much the same number of pixels as the full frame Nikon D750 she was initially interested in. That negates any digital zooming advantage of the FF but does the increased pixel density mean they're inherently noisier?
The 760D and D5500 are both around £750-£800ish with a 18-140ish stabilised lens, what else should we be considering in that kind of price range?
IMHO, you rarely need more than 12 megapix. Infact I have my 24mp set to record only 12mp jpegs.... I do record full 24mp RAW in the second card slot, but I hardly ever use or view the RAW, only the 12mp jpeg. I see the crop sensored Canon 760D and Nikon D5500 have pretty much the same number of pixels as the full frame Nikon D750 she was initially interested in. That negates any digital zooming advantage of the FF but does the increased pixel density mean they're inherently noisier?
The 760D and D5500 are both around £750-£800ish with a 18-140ish stabilised lens, what else should we be considering in that kind of price range?
In SLRs, you don't call it digital zoom, you call it cropping. A full frame crop will look marginally better than a APS-C crop, most likely because the FF will have marginally better dynamic range and less image noise.
But really, if you don't know why you want full frame, then buy a APS-C size sensor camera. They are cheaper, the lenses are cheaper and they are almost as good. The reasons you might want full frame are you want shallower depth of field or you really do need ISO3200 and low noise at the same time. Or you just have too much cash and need to get rid of some in a hurry, in which case there are other ways I could help you out.
The only other thing you may want to consider is if you want to be able to control a remote flash with your camera. You can't do it with a D5500 without additional hardware. You can do it with a D7200. I love remote flash.
OK then, and apologies for opening up another can of worms, but following on from my Canon 24-70mm f/4 or 24-105mm f/4 questions I have noticed that Sigma sell a 24-105mm f/4 DG OS HSM Art lens, and Tamron also sell a 24-70mm f2.8 Di VC USD Lens, which is a comparable price to the Canon offerings, but has a faster f/2.8 lens which looks very interesting.
Does anyone have experience with any of these lenses. Am considering the Tamron f/2.8 because it will probably be better indoors than the comparable f/4 lenses and isn't hellish expensive compared to the equivalent f/2.8 lens offered by Canon.
Obviously if the optical qualities are poor then it's probably not worth considering, but both Sigma and Tamron do seem to be manufacturing some extremely good quality lenses nowadays and I'm not interested in paying a premium price just for the status of the OEM branding.
Does anyone have experience with any of these lenses. Am considering the Tamron f/2.8 because it will probably be better indoors than the comparable f/4 lenses and isn't hellish expensive compared to the equivalent f/2.8 lens offered by Canon.
Obviously if the optical qualities are poor then it's probably not worth considering, but both Sigma and Tamron do seem to be manufacturing some extremely good quality lenses nowadays and I'm not interested in paying a premium price just for the status of the OEM branding.
rich888 said:
Obviously if the optical qualities are poor then it's probably not worth considering, but both Sigma and Tamron do seem to be manufacturing some extremely good quality lenses nowadays and I'm not interested in paying a premium price just for the status of the OEM branding.
I expect the Canon will be best, but whether you want to pay (say) 100% extra for 5-10% better IQ is up to you. (This is where pros have an advantage because it will pay for itself and it's tax deductible!)rich888 said:
Thanks Rob, do you mean the Tamron f/2.8 or the Canon f/2.8?
Tamron.from memory the tamron is about equal to the canon mk1, but with VR. The canon mk2 is better optically but lacks IS/VR and isnt the cheapest piece of glass.
Canon also make a nice 24-70f4L IS if you dont need that extra reach or the 2.8
The best thing about Canon is the Glass - it is their USP !
The 24-70 Canon lens is still the best 24-70 lens optically available from any manufacturer, the only thing close is the ( heavier/more expensive ) GMaster lens from Sony, and is a primary reason to shoot Canon.
Personally I think you would be mad to get a full frame Canon and *not* get the 24-70 f2.8
If you want to stick Tamron glass on go get the Pentax K1.
The 24-70 Canon lens is still the best 24-70 lens optically available from any manufacturer, the only thing close is the ( heavier/more expensive ) GMaster lens from Sony, and is a primary reason to shoot Canon.
Personally I think you would be mad to get a full frame Canon and *not* get the 24-70 f2.8
If you want to stick Tamron glass on go get the Pentax K1.
RobDickinson said:
rich888 said:
Thanks Rob, do you mean the Tamron f/2.8 or the Canon f/2.8?
Tamron.from memory the tamron is about equal to the canon mk1, but with VR. The canon mk2 is better optically but lacks IS/VR and isnt the cheapest piece of glass.
Canon also make a nice 24-70f4L IS if you dont need that extra reach or the 2.8
I went with the Tamron and it is a great piece of kit. My irrational/perfectionist mind said go for the Canon 24-70 f2.8 mkii.
However, my logical mind won over in that whilst I might be gaining 5% of IQ, you'd have to take identical shots and be a pixel peeper to tell the difference. Additionally, if I went for the Canon, I'd lose the image stabilisation the Tamron has which to me was more useful than the tiny difference in IQ between the lenses in the real world.
The fact that the Tamron only costs 40% of what the Canon does also swung it a bit.
I read that too. However, my personal experience is mine was perfect. I don't know how much that issue was of a particular original batch, but it does seem to be overplayed.
Mine came from a proper retailer who would have allowed a return in the unlikely event it was a dodgy one, and Tamron give a 5 year warranty.
Mine came from a proper retailer who would have allowed a return in the unlikely event it was a dodgy one, and Tamron give a 5 year warranty.
Well she went for the D750 in the end, considered a D7200 for less weight and half the price but I think the deciding factor was her brother has a D750 so she couldn't possibly have something of a lower spec. I'm now winding her up by pointing out if her pictures aren't as good as his now is purely down to the photographers skills
Lovely bit of kit though, next lens purchase might be expensive.
Lovely bit of kit though, next lens purchase might be expensive.
RizzoTheRat said:
Well she went for the D750 in the end, considered a D7200 for less weight and half the price but I think the deciding factor was her brother has a D750 so she couldn't possibly have something of a lower spec. I'm now winding her up by pointing out if her pictures aren't as good as his now is purely down to the photographers skills
Lovely bit of kit though, next lens purchase might be expensive.
Excellent choice, I've read some fantastic reports about the Nikon D750, especially when used for portraits and wedding photography, will be interesting to see how her photos compare to the photos taken by her brother, nothing quite like a bit of rivalry Lovely bit of kit though, next lens purchase might be expensive.
The next few lenses she invests in may be somewhat expensive but surely worth it long-term.
As you can see from my previous posts I've been posting questions about lenses and still am in a bit of a dilemma. Do I take the safe route of buying a potentially more expensive and average quality lens from the manufacturer, or save money and buy from a third party lens manufacturer such as Sigma or Tamron who may well be spending far less money on the marketing and more money on the optics?
She was on to some good man-maths to justify the extra cost. She's had her old A300 for 5 years, and is upgrading to something a lot more capable so will probably be a lot longer before she outgrows this one, so spread over the years she'll have it its not that much extra.
In which case of you've got the money you may as well spend it now rather than find you want to upgrade again later.
In which case of you've got the money you may as well spend it now rather than find you want to upgrade again later.
RizzoTheRat said:
She was on to some good man-maths to justify the extra cost. She's had her old A300 for 5 years, and is upgrading to something a lot more capable so will probably be a lot longer before she outgrows this one, so spread over the years she'll have it its not that much extra.
In which case of you've got the money you may as well spend it now rather than find you want to upgrade again later.
Excellent man maths In which case of you've got the money you may as well spend it now rather than find you want to upgrade again later.
Just get the full frame one bought, I don't think I've heard anybody regret a purchase of one.
RizzoTheRat said:
Well she went for the D750 in the end, considered a D7200 for less weight and half the price but I think the deciding factor was her brother has a D750 so she couldn't possibly have something of a lower spec. I'm now winding her up by pointing out if her pictures aren't as good as his now is purely down to the photographers skills
Lovely bit of kit though, next lens purchase might be expensive.
Actually it might be a good idea to take a look at this website: http://www.mattgranger.com/my-gear because he does seem to be quite clued up on Nikon kit.Lovely bit of kit though, next lens purchase might be expensive.
TBH, while you're never going to get them for ten to twenty quid, second hand lenses for Nikon's are usually a reasonable saving second hand. The prices dont seem to fall through the floor, but 25'ish% saving on new for something that's been sat in a bag for a while unused is fine by me.
There's a nice Nikon kit group on Facebook that's well run and very honest, if a little steep with their valuations
There's a nice Nikon kit group on Facebook that's well run and very honest, if a little steep with their valuations
JustinP1 said:
I read that too. However, my personal experience is mine was perfect. I don't know how much that issue was of a particular original batch, but it does seem to be overplayed.
Mine came from a proper retailer who would have allowed a return in the unlikely event it was a dodgy one, and Tamron give a 5 year warranty.
That's very reassuring to read and you're not the only one that sings the praises of the Tamron. How do you find it?Mine came from a proper retailer who would have allowed a return in the unlikely event it was a dodgy one, and Tamron give a 5 year warranty.
I did actually get to the point of ordering one from Amazon for £662 only to note that they had ramped the price up not once but twice in a matter of a few days to £740 so I'm hanging back for the time being until the price settles down to more reasonable levels, or until I get bored and go buy from one of their rivals like WEX
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