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I didn’t realise this was not really a photographic forum so I apologise if I have caused any sensitive souls any distress…
we live in a world that has recently seen the sight of a naked sophie dahl promoting perfume, a naked ad campaign for Patrick cox shoes.. benetton having an ad campaigns showing an emaciated aids victim ushering his last breath amongst others. photo journalists risking their lives portraying crimes against humanity and horrors from the theatre of war..
I believe that is the 21st century.. we must here be in the murky past somewhere where extreme censorship prevails..
This apparently is a photographic forum for people who are interested in photography as a hobby and some who make a living from it.. where there should be freedom to display images. Pass on technique and advice to those who want it.. and sometimes show a little humour..
Yet images that aren’t even controversial get deleted. So we live in fear of posting anything, which isn’t a picture of a flower, cat, car, sunset etc…. or just talking about which piece of kit we recently acquired or how many mega pixels can we use to print to A2?
This doesn’t make a forum, less so a photographic one… artists-censorship… doesn’t really work does it?
heres a pleasing image of tomatoes which is non-descript but quite inoffensive!
[pic]http://www.pbase.com/bacchus/image/44797089.jpg[/pic]
we live in a world that has recently seen the sight of a naked sophie dahl promoting perfume, a naked ad campaign for Patrick cox shoes.. benetton having an ad campaigns showing an emaciated aids victim ushering his last breath amongst others. photo journalists risking their lives portraying crimes against humanity and horrors from the theatre of war..
I believe that is the 21st century.. we must here be in the murky past somewhere where extreme censorship prevails..
This apparently is a photographic forum for people who are interested in photography as a hobby and some who make a living from it.. where there should be freedom to display images. Pass on technique and advice to those who want it.. and sometimes show a little humour..
Yet images that aren’t even controversial get deleted. So we live in fear of posting anything, which isn’t a picture of a flower, cat, car, sunset etc…. or just talking about which piece of kit we recently acquired or how many mega pixels can we use to print to A2?
This doesn’t make a forum, less so a photographic one… artists-censorship… doesn’t really work does it?
heres a pleasing image of tomatoes which is non-descript but quite inoffensive!
[pic]http://www.pbase.com/bacchus/image/44797089.jpg[/pic]
I seem to recall you have posted some excellent artistic shots of nudes before, which certainly never offended me, can you post a link?
Ahhh, just rechecked your profile, guess you are referring to the 'squirrel' probably best to have posted a link and warning to that one, I often let my children browse photos on here, but that on wasn't suitable for them.
>> Edited by wedge girl on Tuesday 14th June 14:43
Ahhh, just rechecked your profile, guess you are referring to the 'squirrel' probably best to have posted a link and warning to that one, I often let my children browse photos on here, but that on wasn't suitable for them.
>> Edited by wedge girl on Tuesday 14th June 14:43
there is no link to post... the images were removed.
the first was of a model leaning over with her hair cascading in the light and shadows falling across her torso... with a hint of nipple showing
the second was of a model holding her hands across her breasts to reveal nothing.. black and white with a hint of toning..
both of which I must say were not brillent shots but posted in a context of humour. on the thread about what to do with tits....
and the squrriel was most likely a little to far... I apologise for that
>> Edited by bacchus180 on Tuesday 14th June 14:46
the first was of a model leaning over with her hair cascading in the light and shadows falling across her torso... with a hint of nipple showing
the second was of a model holding her hands across her breasts to reveal nothing.. black and white with a hint of toning..
both of which I must say were not brillent shots but posted in a context of humour. on the thread about what to do with tits....
and the squrriel was most likely a little to far... I apologise for that
>> Edited by bacchus180 on Tuesday 14th June 14:46
It's a sad state isn't it?
That said I don't see why 'arty' pictures can't be posted. I think the general consensus was that as long as the reader had some warning of what was going to be displayed, people would be happy.
The alternative is that anyone browsing from a corperate environment can't visit this forum. That's not good for Ted and can't help the forum numbers.
HR departments seem to effectively control companies now. Pragmatism is not one of their strong points so they tend toward the safest standpoint. I've tried to have a reasoned discussion with them on this point before. Don't bother. It just makes things worse as I found out a few years ago.
Regards
Phil
That said I don't see why 'arty' pictures can't be posted. I think the general consensus was that as long as the reader had some warning of what was going to be displayed, people would be happy.
The alternative is that anyone browsing from a corperate environment can't visit this forum. That's not good for Ted and can't help the forum numbers.
HR departments seem to effectively control companies now. Pragmatism is not one of their strong points so they tend toward the safest standpoint. I've tried to have a reasoned discussion with them on this point before. Don't bother. It just makes things worse as I found out a few years ago.
Regards
Phil
maybe we should campaign for a change... whereas when you contribute to an exsiting thread you can add a health warning... or a tick a guide box.
just posting links diminishes from the impact any image can make on a thread
As for an agreement.. I remeber some discussion but not anything decided..
just posting links diminishes from the impact any image can make on a thread
As for an agreement.. I remeber some discussion but not anything decided..
i don't work in an office so i can't say what would be acceptable, but in my opinion the picture that was posted and removed this mornign was obnviously not "porn" so I don't see the problem with it. I think that it is one of those cases where a load of people are worried that "someone might be offended" - but no one actually is. I stand to be corrected on this issue.
On a slightly different note, if you want to get 98% of peopel on the forum to look at your pictures, I'm sure putting and 18 sign on the thread and having a nudity warning in the title will do the job very well, so I don't think there is a problem there?
I also think that whoever removed the post should have just binned the photo, it's very naughty to just remove it with no comment.
On a slightly different note, if you want to get 98% of peopel on the forum to look at your pictures, I'm sure putting and 18 sign on the thread and having a nudity warning in the title will do the job very well, so I don't think there is a problem there?
I also think that whoever removed the post should have just binned the photo, it's very naughty to just remove it with no comment.
I've seen this happen on another so called photograpic forum where two images spring to mind.. #
the first was from a spanish phtographer who had captured an image right at the point where the matador finished a bull.. a stunning shot and another with a small child holding a gun.. both togs were critised so heavily for showing the images they were so upset they left.. as a result the forum now consists of snaps of everyday images and little of any impact...
not for one minute suggesting my images have any great impact! but its censorship of publicly acceptable images that upsets me.
the first was from a spanish phtographer who had captured an image right at the point where the matador finished a bull.. a stunning shot and another with a small child holding a gun.. both togs were critised so heavily for showing the images they were so upset they left.. as a result the forum now consists of snaps of everyday images and little of any impact...
not for one minute suggesting my images have any great impact! but its censorship of publicly acceptable images that upsets me.
I'm just upset that I missed boobies 
Just kidding! I can understand both viewpoints here and whilst I wouldn't get in trouble for viewing such images at work, I damn sure would get in trouble for the amount of time spent on Pistonheads... An employer can only be so progressive in it's approach to employee web usage!
I missed the squirrel image as well - but I'm sure I wouldn't have a problem with it - you see far worse on the news at 6 most days.
I'll sit on the fence when it comes to whether images of boobies should be posted here or links used - [pervertmode]just as long as they do get posted![/pervertmode]
Just kidding! I can understand both viewpoints here and whilst I wouldn't get in trouble for viewing such images at work, I damn sure would get in trouble for the amount of time spent on Pistonheads... An employer can only be so progressive in it's approach to employee web usage!
I missed the squirrel image as well - but I'm sure I wouldn't have a problem with it - you see far worse on the news at 6 most days.
I'll sit on the fence when it comes to whether images of boobies should be posted here or links used - [pervertmode]just as long as they do get posted![/pervertmode]
I think nude or possibly offensive images should be linked rather than in the thread or have some sort of warning label, its not a huge inconvenience but then again most of my images are linked in because they look nicer in my site than on a forum thread.
Having said that, if you work in a big brother style office you probably shouldnt be using PH at work anyways, or as they put it "Using company resources for personal use" in which case you cant really complain if you come across something offensive when you shouldnt have been looking anyway?
Now get back to work!
Matt
Having said that, if you work in a big brother style office you probably shouldnt be using PH at work anyways, or as they put it "Using company resources for personal use" in which case you cant really complain if you come across something offensive when you shouldnt have been looking anyway?
Now get back to work!
Matt
FunkyNige said:That's the problem. The thread was started by someone else (although considering the thread title, most people would have known it was only a matter of time...
What's the big deal? If you want to post a nude pic stick [nudity] in the thread title and link to the pic, it's hardly the same as banning nudes completely.
). I can sympathise with the mod that removed it, but personally would probably have just edited out the [pic] to leave a link. I am in the office today (unfortunately) and whilst there's no problem with me browsing PH occasionally (what do you mean obsessively?
) if I had opened the thread with said images displayed as someone had walked behind my desk I may have been in the shit (ooops, should I have 
that too? 
), no matter how "arty" they may be.thats the problem.. if you are contributing how do you make people aware of the change of pace?.
I understand why matt wants people to view his website as its outstanding.. but the inclusion of images in a thread is what makes the thread more interesting..
besides I haven't got a website that I can change that often and only have a dumping ground at pbase...lol.
I still don't see why the following were removed without any communication with me..
[url]www.pbase.com/bacchus/image/44793755[/url]
[url]www.pbase.com/bacchus/image/43513771[/url]
I understand why matt wants people to view his website as its outstanding.. but the inclusion of images in a thread is what makes the thread more interesting..
besides I haven't got a website that I can change that often and only have a dumping ground at pbase...lol.
I still don't see why the following were removed without any communication with me..
[url]www.pbase.com/bacchus/image/44793755[/url]
[url]www.pbase.com/bacchus/image/43513771[/url]
bacchus180 said:
thats the problem.. if you are contributing how do you make people aware of the change of pace?.
I understand why matt wants people to view his website as its outstanding.. but the inclusion of images in a thread is what makes the thread more interesting..
besides I haven't got a website that I can change that often and only have a dumping ground at pbase...lol.
I still don't see why the following were removed without any communication with me..
[url]www.pbase.com/bacchus/image/44793755[/url]
[url]www.pbase.com/bacchus/image/43513771[/url]
Did you have to hit the squirrel on the head to make it stay still?
bacchus180 said:
www.pbase.com/bacchus/image/44793755[/
www.pbase.com/bacchus/image/43513771]
need to take anyone on work experience?
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