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mikel003003
Original Poster
831 posts
35 months
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Was hoping an oil change would solve the problem but while it is a bit better its still not right, when the engine is hot and revs are low ( at a junction or in traffic ) I pressure drops dramatically when I pull away again it goes back up, I intend to carry on driving it for the summer I figure if I have to rebuild the engine any way ????? Any thoughts ? I recon its crank bearings / shells?
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mikel003003
Original Poster
831 posts
35 months
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If its rebuild time can it be done with the engine in is it worth doing the minimum ? Just thrashing ideas round money is super tight I can do some donkey work myself
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GadgeS3C
1,955 posts
33 months
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Just a thought but what oil are you using? If you've swapped to a modern super runny type then you may see lower pressure (I believe).
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mikel003003
Original Poster
831 posts
35 months
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Was useing synthetic but I think it did more harm than good I now use 20-50
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MWBS3
45 posts
76 months
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Hi - just a thought
Mine does that but its erratic and I suspect the sender on the engine and I did all the oil changes etc.
Are you able to cobble together a mechanical gauge then warm up the motor and see if the same happens ?
Worth a try as the new sender is about £50.
Mark
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mep12345
1,828 posts
70 months
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mikel003003 said: Was hoping an oil change would solve the problem but while it is a bit better its still not right, when the engine is hot and revs are low ( at a junction or in traffic ) I pressure drops dramatically when I pull away again it goes back up, I intend to carry on driving it for the summer I figure if I have to rebuild the engine any way ????? Any thoughts ? I recon its crank bearings / shells? Mikel, When you come up ref the body lift my 2 engines are in pieces in the garage so you can see the oil pump, sender and bearing make up etc, I'll also look and see whether your oil pressure is doing what they all do, or is worse. You could also try my working oil pressure sender (only a two minute job to swap them) to see if it is that before you spend money on a new one. This is of course assuming your S1 pressure sender is the same as the one on my S3. The bottom end make up of the 2.8 and 2.9 are the same I believe except for the main crank bearing thrust collars (later have intergrated thrust collars earlier are seperate). Of course the bores/stroke and some dimensions are different but the design is the same. Mark
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mikel003003
Original Poster
831 posts
35 months
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thanks Mark I will be in touch. I hope it is just the oil pump, but have set myself up mentaly for worst case senario, I recon I could get an engine for a a couple hundred quid but we will have to think hard cant afford to be in a rush with it
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mikel003003
Original Poster
831 posts
35 months
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its not erratic its the same whenever its hot
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Barkychoc
7,186 posts
73 months
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Mike I wouldn't be overly worried - if your gauge is telling the truth then clearly there is some wear but provided oil pressure picks up a bit straight after idle there's life in the old dog yet. What do the tappets sound like? Once pressure really drops off it will be tappetty on the top end due to poor oil circulation. Can you hear any bearing rumble or clanking at constant revs if you gradually increase rpm? I had an old 2.3 granny where the gauge hardly registered at all even giving it the beans, sounded like a bag of spanners about 4k revs but never let me down. 14mpg was more of an issue!
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greymrj
631 posts
73 months
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Hi Mike, I agree with Chris, you may be worrying about nothing. I have had two engines in this car, both showed about 55-60psi when it was working hard, but dropped below 10psi when hot and idling. That is on a modern semi synthetic but I dont recall any significant pressure difference when I was using a straight mineral oil. This engine wasnt exactly the height of sophistication when it was new! If I remember rightly it was originally conceived as a fast, long distance van engine. The design goes back to 1968! The 2.8 version we use goes back to 1974. The design was never intended to run at high oil pressures, it simply didnt need it. The specification only gave 38 psi at 2000 revs (whereas the later 2.9 has a number of detailed internal changes and smaller clearances and should give 50-70psi at 2500revs). If you find a 2.8 showing say 70psi at revs and 40psi at idle, there is something wrong with it! If you are getting over 50psi at high revs, and even as low as 5-10psi at hot idle, and that is CONSISTENT then I wouldnt worry. If it is inconsistent then the electronic gauge is a likely candidate- get it checked using a fluid gauge. If you are worried, keep records of the oil pressure, if they show a gradual drop then a rebuild will be necessary at some time. Incidentally, changing the pump is unlikely to be worth it in my opinion. If my understanding of this engine is correct the pump isnt likely to wear any faster than the bearings etc so if the oil pressure has dropped too low it is almost certain the bearings will need doing. Incidentally, what pressures are you getting?
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mikel003003
Original Poster
831 posts
35 months
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I have to say I'm not really worried, as said there is life in the old dog yet ,its a bit tappety but not excessivly noisy ,pressure is 50 when driving right across the rev range but zero at idle only when warm, think its just early warning of what's to come, and I just have to decide what route to take, would love a full rebuild with a hotter cam but its expense, might keep my eyes open for an engine on eBay and have a crack at rebuilding this one myself,
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Terrence79
89 posts
34 months
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This thread has got me worried, my oil pressure drops when idling and raises again when driving but sounds very clattery until the revs are raised and the exhaust takes over. It does seem to have come on since I changed the oil last year and its done so few miles since then im hopeing its just the oil being too thin? (I will look up what oil went in last year as I cant remember off the top of my head). If its not the oil then.............oh dear 
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Terrence79
89 posts
34 months
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This thread has got me worried, my oil pressure drops when idling and raises again when driving but sounds very clattery until the revs are raised and the exhaust takes over. It does seem to have come on since I changed the oil last year and its done so few miles since then im hopeing its just the oil being too thin? (I will look up what oil went in last year as I cant remember off the top of my head). If its not the oil then.............oh dear 
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FARKIT
115 posts
84 months
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I had this problem, and eventually my pressure appeared to disappear. I changed the sender unit to one of these (there's a thread a few pages back on this) available on fleabay Item number: 370565950654 at a cost of £15. Solved the problem - the sender units are well known for playing up.
Also running on Valvoline Racing VRI 20W-50 which seems to give excellent oil pressure.
Hope this helps!
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mikel003003
Original Poster
831 posts
35 months
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[quote=Terrence79]This thread has got me worried, my oil pressure drops when idling and raises again when driving but sounds very clattery until the revs are raised and the exhaust takes over. It does seem to have come on since I changed the oil last year and its done so few miles since then im hopeing its just the oil being too thin? (I will look up what oil went in last year as I cant remember off the top of my head). If its not the oil then.............oh dear Would be interested to know what oil your useing, I think the synthetic stuff I had in May of been to blame I only did about 1000 miles last year
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Terrence79
89 posts
34 months
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I will sort out the paperwork when I get back, I sould doub I done 1000 miles in the last 2 years to be honest and less than 500 since changing the oil around this time last year (I only got out in it 3 times!)
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Road2Ruin
2,724 posts
85 months
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mikel003003 said: I have to say I'm not really worried, as said there is life in the old dog yet ,its a bit tappety but not excessivly noisy ,pressure is 50 when driving right across the rev range but zero at idle only when warm, think its just early warning of what's to come, and I just have to decide what route to take, would love a full rebuild with a hotter cam but its expense, might keep my eyes open for an engine on eBay and have a crack at rebuilding this one myself, Mine was the same through the 6 years of ownership. I put it down to 2 things... the engine being a bit loose after 65000 miles and the oil. I used a semi in it generally but after every change it was always better for the first few hundred miles and would then do it again.
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Terrence79
89 posts
34 months
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Checked my paperwork this morning, its running on Helix plus 10W/40....does this sound right?? if not i'll get it out quickly!
Tom
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macL
55 posts
100 months
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I had the same problems running on synthetic or semi synthetic oils I looked up the recommended oil for V6 Granada & Scorpio engines i.e. Multigrade engine oil viscosity SAE 10W/30 to 20/50. Change at 6,000 mile intervals or annually so I put in Valvoline racing 20-50, excellent oil pressure ever since cold & hot + I haven't changed the sender unit. These are old stile engines, most have had a good bit of use & they weren't designed to run on modern thin oils
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Griffinr
516 posts
43 months
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macL said: These are old stile engines,  ????
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