S3 outriggers !!
Discussion
Hi all...
Guess who's gone & bought himself a great looking S3 only to find there extra ventilation holes in the outrigger chassis tubes !!!!
Here we go again I hear you say....
I'm an old hand with Classic cars, so no tears just yet... As I knew what I was taking on.
My first question of many no doubt is..... Can the outrigger section be bought already made up ?
So that I can just align it & weld onto the main chassis ?
Or if not where/who sells the right gauge of tubular steel (& what is it ?).
Regards..... Terry B.
Guess who's gone & bought himself a great looking S3 only to find there extra ventilation holes in the outrigger chassis tubes !!!!
Here we go again I hear you say....
I'm an old hand with Classic cars, so no tears just yet... As I knew what I was taking on.
My first question of many no doubt is..... Can the outrigger section be bought already made up ?
So that I can just align it & weld onto the main chassis ?
Or if not where/who sells the right gauge of tubular steel (& what is it ?).
Regards..... Terry B.
No, you can't buy them pre-made, though I did dabble with the idea a while back. At the time I decided it was more hassle than it was worth, but now I'm not so sure.
They're not too bad to fabricate though. 38mm OD tube and 35mm if you want to make some sleeves. Mounting plates are 3mm plate steel.
It's getting the body on and off that's the absolute pig!
They're not too bad to fabricate though. 38mm OD tube and 35mm if you want to make some sleeves. Mounting plates are 3mm plate steel.
It's getting the body on and off that's the absolute pig!
I think "ready made" are available for Chimaera but not seen them for S but if you're going to weld them on anyway it's not much more to make your own... do you need/want full length or is it just corners gone?
Somewhere like RT Racing who do fully chassis refurbs may be able to make you a pair?
Tube size, gauge, type etc. has been discussed in the past, try a search...
Hi Guys... Many thanks for the replies so far.
I cant really see the extent of the corossion, but I think it will be the whole of the outriggers to replace.
Is the 35mm sleeve to fit inside the originals for alignment/support ??
Please dont expect me to get my hands too dirty just yet, as I hope to get the rest of the summer occasionally driving it ! Except for the grating noise on cranking. I have took the S.motor off & that runs okay & the ring looks reasonable, although I didnt rotate it to see all areas. The battery is pretty kn**kered. But I am not not going to spend on ANYTHING just yet.... Why !
Well I have a 2006 15k mile 3.0 AJ Jag engine in my garden shed !! And the plan is for that to go in. I know the engine will fit as I've seen it in a S3 on this forum... And I thought I would be the first !
I have already done an EFI conversion on a Cologne 2.8 running at 3.0 on an Emerald ecu. (non tvr).
As for the g-box, I'm not sure yet. Morgan mated this Jag engine to a Ford type-9, but I've had it with those. The Jag uses a Getrag 221 box (with not so ideal ratios), BMW uses a 220 box (with better ratios), it looks to be the same basic unit except for the bell housing which is integral, & the input shafts are different... So more research reqd. So I might as well start that part of the project once the body is off.
Yes, its a long term project.... Maybe into my retirement...lol.
The drivers door hinge is a bit sloppy, but I guess thats just hinge pins.
The seats bases are completely kn**ckered (Doeskin/Dirty cream) so might go for another seat... Does MGF or TF fit ?
As they look cheap & available. The rest of the interior is damn good, so that stays 'as is'.
TB.
I cant really see the extent of the corossion, but I think it will be the whole of the outriggers to replace.
Is the 35mm sleeve to fit inside the originals for alignment/support ??
Please dont expect me to get my hands too dirty just yet, as I hope to get the rest of the summer occasionally driving it ! Except for the grating noise on cranking. I have took the S.motor off & that runs okay & the ring looks reasonable, although I didnt rotate it to see all areas. The battery is pretty kn**kered. But I am not not going to spend on ANYTHING just yet.... Why !
Well I have a 2006 15k mile 3.0 AJ Jag engine in my garden shed !! And the plan is for that to go in. I know the engine will fit as I've seen it in a S3 on this forum... And I thought I would be the first !
I have already done an EFI conversion on a Cologne 2.8 running at 3.0 on an Emerald ecu. (non tvr).
As for the g-box, I'm not sure yet. Morgan mated this Jag engine to a Ford type-9, but I've had it with those. The Jag uses a Getrag 221 box (with not so ideal ratios), BMW uses a 220 box (with better ratios), it looks to be the same basic unit except for the bell housing which is integral, & the input shafts are different... So more research reqd. So I might as well start that part of the project once the body is off.
Yes, its a long term project.... Maybe into my retirement...lol.
The drivers door hinge is a bit sloppy, but I guess thats just hinge pins.
The seats bases are completely kn**ckered (Doeskin/Dirty cream) so might go for another seat... Does MGF or TF fit ?
As they look cheap & available. The rest of the interior is damn good, so that stays 'as is'.
TB.
Edited by Blue 30 on Thursday 17th July 15:51
Most recent thread on seats;
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Given how high the MGF / TF seats are in the original car I doubt they'd fit too well in an S without modding the bases. That said, it would be no harder than doing the out riggers.
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Given how high the MGF / TF seats are in the original car I doubt they'd fit too well in an S without modding the bases. That said, it would be no harder than doing the out riggers.
Hello there
I have the Jaguar unit in mine.
Things to note
Will fit but needs front crossmember mods for sump or a mondeo sump + pickup may work. We modded car as didn't want to mess with engine.
You will need a mondeo throttle body unless you want to go FBW
Management is the tricky part if you want 2 x lambda 6 x cop and 6 x sequential injectors like the jag had you need expensive ecu like me Doh . If you go edis you can buy a much cheeper ecu and probably not loose much.
Gearbox clutch etc on mine is all jag as we didn't want to mess with this. Although may get rid of dual mass flywheel when it needs a clutch.
I altered the diff ratio to compensate.
Not on road yet better be ready for s club engine is firing but mapper on holiday.. Double Doh
Ian at track v road made me some engine mount adaptor a so I can still fit the colonge if I wanted. Not sure if he can make more but that would be a good start IMHO.
Obviously prop also needs to be modded and we relocated front anti roll bar.
Hope that helps
Damian
I have the Jaguar unit in mine.
Things to note
Will fit but needs front crossmember mods for sump or a mondeo sump + pickup may work. We modded car as didn't want to mess with engine.
You will need a mondeo throttle body unless you want to go FBW
Management is the tricky part if you want 2 x lambda 6 x cop and 6 x sequential injectors like the jag had you need expensive ecu like me Doh . If you go edis you can buy a much cheeper ecu and probably not loose much.
Gearbox clutch etc on mine is all jag as we didn't want to mess with this. Although may get rid of dual mass flywheel when it needs a clutch.
I altered the diff ratio to compensate.
Not on road yet better be ready for s club engine is firing but mapper on holiday.. Double Doh
Ian at track v road made me some engine mount adaptor a so I can still fit the colonge if I wanted. Not sure if he can make more but that would be a good start IMHO.
Obviously prop also needs to be modded and we relocated front anti roll bar.
Hope that helps
Damian
Hi Damian...
Thats all very interesting, & info I am most grateful for, thankyou. As I prefer not to go down any known 'dead ends' ! I noticed from your posted pics that the anti roll bar had been moved & I guessed it was for sump clearance. Are the drop links custom made ? Maybe I shouldn't question you too much here as you might not want to post everything done.... Are you going to add more photos/info on your posting ? Or could I personal message you ?
I Would like to see the (under the sump) cross member details. And gearbox stickshift linkage details too.
Your engine has the early upper inlet manifold, my unit is a 2006 unit & slightly different, I hate its looks but will live with it for now, but Jevneys look good !!! I will look into re engineering the fly by wire throttle body to accept cable operation, or (as you) go for the Mondeo unit. My son is the auto electrician on the Nat Geo 'Car SOS' TV show. And we have both had contact with Dave Walker of Emerald ECUs... So thats my first choice, but also looking at DTA ecu's too. For 12months or so I will be just collating info & collecting parts/info. As my master plan is/was to leave the actual hands-on work until I retire (2-3yrs away). Plus its been said I have spent too much time restoring cars over the last 15yrs (hobby time). But will try to get some big spends out of the way before I retire & salary vanishes... And you never know might be allowed !!!! to do some work.... Just keep it quiet that I want the body off/on next spring/summer.... Which means I might as well do the engine fit too.... You get the idea I'm sure.
Terry B.
Thats all very interesting, & info I am most grateful for, thankyou. As I prefer not to go down any known 'dead ends' ! I noticed from your posted pics that the anti roll bar had been moved & I guessed it was for sump clearance. Are the drop links custom made ? Maybe I shouldn't question you too much here as you might not want to post everything done.... Are you going to add more photos/info on your posting ? Or could I personal message you ?
I Would like to see the (under the sump) cross member details. And gearbox stickshift linkage details too.
Your engine has the early upper inlet manifold, my unit is a 2006 unit & slightly different, I hate its looks but will live with it for now, but Jevneys look good !!! I will look into re engineering the fly by wire throttle body to accept cable operation, or (as you) go for the Mondeo unit. My son is the auto electrician on the Nat Geo 'Car SOS' TV show. And we have both had contact with Dave Walker of Emerald ECUs... So thats my first choice, but also looking at DTA ecu's too. For 12months or so I will be just collating info & collecting parts/info. As my master plan is/was to leave the actual hands-on work until I retire (2-3yrs away). Plus its been said I have spent too much time restoring cars over the last 15yrs (hobby time). But will try to get some big spends out of the way before I retire & salary vanishes... And you never know might be allowed !!!! to do some work.... Just keep it quiet that I want the body off/on next spring/summer.... Which means I might as well do the engine fit too.... You get the idea I'm sure.
Terry B.
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