Trouble Getting it Up

Trouble Getting it Up

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v8s4me

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218 months

Friday 10th October 2014
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My first winter project is to try and make the driver's window go up a bit quicker. I've connected up a 12v power supply in the hope the problem might have been a power loss somewhere but it's not much better. So, it looks like I'll have to strip out the motor/winder assembly and lubricate everything and if that fails, replace the motor with the Peugeot part mentioned in a thread here a few weeks ago. Can someone who has done this give me a 1,2,3 step approach to getting the bits out please? Before I start stripping out though, what is the best thing to spray the channel rubbers with? Thanks in advance chaps thumbup


glenrobbo

35,084 posts

149 months

Friday 10th October 2014
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Dunno if it's still available, but I found Wynnes PTFE Maintenance Spray to be effective for such things Joe.
Good old WD-40 works ok, but only temporarily.

I don't think the installation is all that complicated, have you checked owners blogs on the useful links?

phillpot

17,105 posts

182 months

Friday 10th October 2014
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Lube the runners all you like but it may well be the mechanism that needs attention?

any grease that's still left in the "rack" mechanism is probably more like sludge after 20+ years. it's a mucky job but you need to get some fresh grease in there wink





Edited by phillpot on Friday 10th October 22:14

Oldred_V8S

3,714 posts

237 months

Saturday 11th October 2014
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What is the condition of the window runners? Do they have any felt left on them or are the windows running on the nice grippy rubber. This is when people lube the runners and think they have solved the problem. Lubing up is a short term solution Joe, it won't get you a happy ending.

greymrj

3,316 posts

203 months

Saturday 11th October 2014
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Before someone else thinks of it; Viagra added to the motor?

v8s4me

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Saturday 11th October 2014
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Oldred_V8S said:
What is the condition of the window runners? Do they have any felt left on them or are the windows running on the nice grippy rubber....
I've removed all the rubber and plastic sheeting to get a good look at the runners and, yes they are knackered. I've got the Wollies part number somewhere so I'll order some on Monday. It looks like I'm going to have to do the job properly ie strip the whole assembly out and clean it and then replace the runners. Any suggestion on a step by step guide? I'd much rather learn from someone else's mistakes rather than mine laugh


Oldred_V8S said:
.... it won't get you a happy ending.
Is that what this is for?

glenrobbo

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149 months

Saturday 11th October 2014
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greymrj said:
Before someone else thinks of it; Viagra added to the motor?
That's all very well and good. smile
Only trouble is, you'll then struggle to get it to go down again wink

v8s4me

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Saturday 11th October 2014
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glenrobbo said:
...Only trouble is, you'll then struggle to get it to go down again
This is why it's so important to learn from other people's mistakes laugh

glenrobbo

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Saturday 11th October 2014
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v8s4me said:
glenrobbo said:
...Only trouble is, you'll then struggle to get it to go down again
This is why it's so important to learn from other people's mistakes laugh
I read somewhere that 65% of people are caused by accidents. readit

Oldred_V8S

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237 months

Sunday 12th October 2014
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v8s4me said:
Is that what this is for?
I knew a guy that got one lodged in his throat; he had a stiff neck for weeks.

v8s4me

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Tuesday 14th October 2014
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mohitos

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198 months

Tuesday 14th October 2014
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Joe - I bought the felt for my car but in the end the condition of mine was fine, so I didn't use it. Send me a PM if you'd like it!

glenrobbo

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149 months

Tuesday 14th October 2014
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I dunno Joe. It looks a bit fuzzy to me. Have you felt it? Are the profile dimensions the same as yours on the car?

I tried googling but came up with "woolies felted rubber ducky birdhouse for backyard wildlife"

Amazing wink I wish I could do a link to it.

v8s4me

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Tuesday 14th October 2014
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Like this

v8s4me

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Tuesday 14th October 2014
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mohitos said:
...Send me a PM if you'd like it!
Yes please! YHM

v8s4me

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Saturday 18th October 2014
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Tomorrow's little job will b e to remove the window & frame. It looks like the lifter mechanism id held to the inner skin of the door in three places. Do I need to remove the glass first? And do I need to remove the front frame? If so, do I need to remove the triangular shaped bit that's attached to the front of the door to get the frame out? Thanks.

phillpot

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182 months

Saturday 18th October 2014
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This is all from memory but I think......

"Quarterlight" frame can stay in

Detach glass from mechanism (2 x 6mm bolts) and wiggle out, might have to loosen or remove rear runner?

Motor and associated mechanism should then come out somehow?





v8s4me

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Saturday 18th October 2014
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phillpot said:
..frame can stay in..Detach glass from mechanism (2 x 6mm bolts) and wiggle out, might have to loosen or remove rear runner? Motor and associated mechanism should then come out somehow?
Thanks Phillpot. It looks like I can change the runner in the front frame insitu so hopefully I won't need to disturb it.

v8s4me

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Sunday 19th October 2014
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The motor and window are out. What a fiddle - another 4-handed job! At the risk of starting a "pressure Cap" debate here's a couple of questions for you.

In this picture you can see that the flexible thingy which does the lifting is wire wound around what looks like a fibre brush. Q1. would this be better lubricated with thick oil or grease? Q2. as you can see the lifter plate (the bit which attaches to the window runs on plastic bushes which run in the steel track; what provides best lubrication in plastic to metal contact.



Here's another picture showing the "flexible thingy" in its track and the gear box.



With the window removed the lifter flies up and down with no sticking. With the gearbox removed the motor turns smoothly and strongly with no hesitation or sticking. It's a Bosch part so you'd imagine it was made to work reliably for a long time. Hopefully new runners and the right lube will sort the problem.

Here's a close up of the motor in case anyone is trying to find the part number.



It does strike me as odd that there is no electric cut-out when the window reaches the up and down limits of its travel. Isn't the circuit over-loaded if the switch isn't released quickly enough? How hard would it be to make a cut out? I was thinking of something which worked on current load rather than fiddling about with micro switches.


phillpot

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Sunday 19th October 2014
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Q1 & Q2 a good quality general purpose grease (Castrol LM) would be my choice..... not that crappy white spray stuff that garages love squirting everywhere to "prove" your car's been serviced wink