January Freezing Fish and Chips
Discussion
AutoAndy said:
Well done for keeping our end up guys!
...sorry I couldn't join you, but I was busy fitting these beauties...
Refurb'ed calipers and new red stuff pads...along with new discs, braided hoses and the cheap suspension I got from Stuart last week...mmmm nice
....shame it shows up the rest of it now...
...The roof was also down for the whole time...
Looking great Andy...sorry I couldn't join you, but I was busy fitting these beauties...
Refurb'ed calipers and new red stuff pads...along with new discs, braided hoses and the cheap suspension I got from Stuart last week...mmmm nice
....shame it shows up the rest of it now......The roof was also down for the whole time...
Red stuff are they the way to go?
Looking to upgrade the pads.
Be care full you know how these upgrades can take over
SJS357 said:
Looking great Andy
Red stuff are they the way to go?
Looking to upgrade the pads.
Be careful you know how these upgrades can take over
Red Stuff are the ones to go for if you love embarrassing squealing brakes like L.I.AM's Chim. Red stuff are they the way to go?
Looking to upgrade the pads.
Be careful you know how these upgrades can take over
They are not recommended for everyday use, as they are too hard and don't work well from cold. Really for track days & competition use, i.e. the Norfolk TT, Spa, the 'Ring, etc
Andy's new pads look very thick and heavy. I thought he would have fitted the thinnest ones he could find in order to save weight
glenrobbo said:
SJS357 said:
Looking great Andy
Red stuff are they the way to go?
Looking to upgrade the pads.
Be careful you know how these upgrades can take over
Red Stuff are the ones to go for if you love embarrassing squealing brakes like L.I.AM's Chim. Red stuff are they the way to go?
Looking to upgrade the pads.
Be careful you know how these upgrades can take over
They are not recommended for everyday use, as they are too hard and don't work well from cold. Really for track days & competition use, i.e. the Norfolk TT, Spa, the 'Ring, etc
Andy's new pads look very thick and heavy. I thought he would have fitted the thinnest ones he could find in order to save weight
Just feel after the Blyton track day brakes took a pounding so a slight up grade to balance day to day and track/Spa use maybe in order.
Hi Simon,
Austin currently has Motorcraft EBD 3190 ( 87FX 2K021 GA ) pads fitted at the front, same as original fit, seemed to work well at Blyton, but when they need replacing again I intend to go for Ferodo Competition items ( can't remember the part number off the top of my head but I can dig it out if you want ).
I was considering Mintex, as I got on well with them many years ago, but I've read that their cuurrent competition grade give off a ferrous dust which is unkind to alloy wheels.
If you want to go for EBC,Yellow sorry, my bad, I should have said Blue Stuff are the "spirited daily use" choice, Green Stuff are harder, but not as hard as the Red.
Barry tried the Green, but he felt they were too hard, his discs were wearing faster than the pads.
Most harder pads need a bit of warming up to start working properly.
I may be talking b
x though! What do I know?
HTH
ETA: Have you changed your brake fluid lately? That can make a surprising difference.
Also edited due to colour blindness!!
Austin currently has Motorcraft EBD 3190 ( 87FX 2K021 GA ) pads fitted at the front, same as original fit, seemed to work well at Blyton, but when they need replacing again I intend to go for Ferodo Competition items ( can't remember the part number off the top of my head but I can dig it out if you want ).
I was considering Mintex, as I got on well with them many years ago, but I've read that their cuurrent competition grade give off a ferrous dust which is unkind to alloy wheels.
If you want to go for EBC,
Barry tried the Green, but he felt they were too hard, his discs were wearing faster than the pads.
Most harder pads need a bit of warming up to start working properly.
I may be talking b
x though! What do I know? HTH
ETA: Have you changed your brake fluid lately? That can make a surprising difference.
Also edited due to colour blindness!!
Edited by glenrobbo on Tuesday 20th January 15:45
Simon, I looked into pads ...after Blyton as well...my summary (personal) is as follows;
...seemed like the best were the Ferrodo (wasn't he a hobbit) - I think 2500 series - Han had some...but they were too expensive for me. I also heard that Mintex were quite good but very high in dust production.
The EBC "stuff pads are a lower cost but still an upgrade from std. I had Green stuff years ago on another car and they were good. Red is the next one up (I think Max has those to match his car colour!) and yellow are the top (super-fast ones). I originally decided to to go for it and get yellow stuff, but the UK supplier's stock was found to be cracked and so I decided to go for red stuff as they were nearly as good and more consistent (in my head). You do hear good and bad about EBC but mostly good I have found, with more snobby types disliking as they tend to go for more expensive pads (I am not sure how Glen fits in this category?).
...Replaced the disks as well as strictly they need to bed in to each other and new discs work best...interestingly a pair of disks can be had from ebay (brand new) for less than 25 quid - so if they wear out quicker, then great - they are cheaper than the pads to replace! Note I went for standard plain discs as you can go overboard and spend hundreds on vented, slotted, etc, but as I am not racing every day the benefit was not worth it - yes they maybe better, but in a similar way a car that has a top speed of over 150
mph is better, but I will never need it.
So, discs and pads changed to reduce fade and improve stopping. Obviously put in fresh brake fluid (I think it is dot 5.1 which is the higher grade NON-silicone one)..the other big thing for better response is to ditch the rubber flexible brake hoses and replace with steel braided ones.
I think that's it...good luck
...seemed like the best were the Ferrodo (wasn't he a hobbit) - I think 2500 series - Han had some...but they were too expensive for me. I also heard that Mintex were quite good but very high in dust production.
The EBC "stuff pads are a lower cost but still an upgrade from std. I had Green stuff years ago on another car and they were good. Red is the next one up (I think Max has those to match his car colour!) and yellow are the top (super-fast ones). I originally decided to to go for it and get yellow stuff, but the UK supplier's stock was found to be cracked and so I decided to go for red stuff as they were nearly as good and more consistent (in my head). You do hear good and bad about EBC but mostly good I have found, with more snobby types disliking as they tend to go for more expensive pads (I am not sure how Glen fits in this category?).
...Replaced the disks as well as strictly they need to bed in to each other and new discs work best...interestingly a pair of disks can be had from ebay (brand new) for less than 25 quid - so if they wear out quicker, then great - they are cheaper than the pads to replace! Note I went for standard plain discs as you can go overboard and spend hundreds on vented, slotted, etc, but as I am not racing every day the benefit was not worth it - yes they maybe better, but in a similar way a car that has a top speed of over 150
mph is better, but I will never need it.
So, discs and pads changed to reduce fade and improve stopping. Obviously put in fresh brake fluid (I think it is dot 5.1 which is the higher grade NON-silicone one)..the other big thing for better response is to ditch the rubber flexible brake hoses and replace with steel braided ones.
I think that's it...good luck
AutoAndy said:
Simon, I looked into pads ...after Blyton as well...my summary (personal) is as follows;
...seemed like the best were the Ferrodo (wasn't he a hobbit) - I think 2500 series - Han had some...but they were too expensive for me.
Yes, Frodo brake pads are the best !! "Ferodo DS2500 Ford Sierra Brake Pads Front FCP206H" Clicky...seemed like the best were the Ferrodo (wasn't he a hobbit) - I think 2500 series - Han had some...but they were too expensive for me.
Experience with red stuff pads on one of my sons' previous cars showed that they worked well when hot but please exercise caution when they are cold. Easy enough when you start a journey but not so easy in traffic jams. He managed to bury the nose of his car into the back of an X5 in such a situation.
It just adds to the awareness and anticiption which I think that you need when driving an older car like an S in modern traffic.But that is the joy of our cars- you have to drive them properly.
It just adds to the awareness and anticiption which I think that you need when driving an older car like an S in modern traffic.But that is the joy of our cars- you have to drive them properly.
I'm sure I was holding you up on Sunday Barry 
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