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Not seeing one in there.
edit: Ah yeah, found it. They've listed it under 'classics' rather than the S category, for some reason:
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/t...
I think POA and one image alone is probably going to make life difficult for that particular seller! He needs more pics, and if the chassis is fine he needs to show that too, because that would make a big difference to the value.
But yep, looks nice from here
edit: Ah yeah, found it. They've listed it under 'classics' rather than the S category, for some reason:
http://www.pistonheads.com/classifieds/used-cars/t...
I think POA and one image alone is probably going to make life difficult for that particular seller! He needs more pics, and if the chassis is fine he needs to show that too, because that would make a big difference to the value.
But yep, looks nice from here
Edited by Kitchski on Thursday 15th September 08:56
Can we really judge the car from photos ! What actually happened to going for a look! I spoke to the seller today and called round to see it as he lives not far from me.... he is open to offers, the chassis does look original however no holes! The pictures are not clear ... what looks like holes was actually dirt..He seemed a very genuine S1 enthusiast who has looked after it. Genuine reason for selling . If I can make some room I may just put a sneaky offer forward..
CJD2005 said:
the chassis does look original however no holes!
Visible 
CJD2005 said:
He seemed a very genuine S1 enthusiast who has looked after it.
I'm sure he is and he has but wire brushing and painting the bits you can see doesn't mean all is well elsewhere, as many on here can no doubt testify!That car is nearly 30 years old, if the chassis has had no repairs it would be a very optimistic optimist who bought it thinking there'd be no chassis issues looming (imho).
Well I'm not going to put off other potential buyers! This guy just wants to sell his S1. Again if people are interested then go have a look. I have seen the underside and will argue all day about your comment on visible holes. Yes of course with out taking the body off we don't know what disasters are lying underneath. However we all know and have been through the pain of sorting it out. That's what owning a S is all about.
CJD2005 said:
Well I'm not going to put off other potential buyers!
I don't think this is anyone's intention, but it is so easy to buy these cars with your heart and not your head!CJD2005 said:
of course with out taking the body off we don't know what disasters are lying underneath.
exactly, so factor this into the price you want to pay (because it's a pretty safe bet there will be some).If you're handy with the spanners and a welder it could be it's not a big issue to you but if topping up the screenwash is the limit of your abilities you may need a "contingency budget"
At the end of the day, any comments posted on here are firstly:
It's also no slight on this guy, or his car. If you have an S, and the chassis hasn't been attended to yet, then there is a very strong chance that it does need doing. Someone saying it was Waxoyled three years ago, or the MoT man saying it was solid mean nothing if you don't look yourself. That picture Barry put up speaks a thousand words - if you view a car, the chassis has been painted and there is paint all over the nuts & bolts, that's a pretty bad sign! If they couldn't be bothered to remove and refit during the painting, what makes you think they'd treat the rust properly rather than just slapping paint over it?
Back to this car, and like I say it's possibly a very nice car. However, I see A LOT of cars advertised with 'bits of surface rust but solid' chassis descriptions (or similar) and the fact remains that these are all old cars now, so they need checking. Nobody is knocking that car, just discussing the points they'd be checking.
I hope the seller gets what he wants for it, and I hope the new owner enjoys it
- The opinion of the poster, who can freely express what they want.
- Probably a product of experience. I can probably speak with more experience than most on what you'll find on a TVR S chassis.
It's also no slight on this guy, or his car. If you have an S, and the chassis hasn't been attended to yet, then there is a very strong chance that it does need doing. Someone saying it was Waxoyled three years ago, or the MoT man saying it was solid mean nothing if you don't look yourself. That picture Barry put up speaks a thousand words - if you view a car, the chassis has been painted and there is paint all over the nuts & bolts, that's a pretty bad sign! If they couldn't be bothered to remove and refit during the painting, what makes you think they'd treat the rust properly rather than just slapping paint over it?
Back to this car, and like I say it's possibly a very nice car. However, I see A LOT of cars advertised with 'bits of surface rust but solid' chassis descriptions (or similar) and the fact remains that these are all old cars now, so they need checking. Nobody is knocking that car, just discussing the points they'd be checking.
I hope the seller gets what he wants for it, and I hope the new owner enjoys it
I guess we all know that if a chassis has not been attended to properly...and that really means body off and blasted, then its going to have a degree of corrosion...how much is subject to a few variables. My concern...no not really concern....observation.....is that so many people are getting hung up on the chassis that they seem to almost overlook all the other inportant and very costly work that may or may not have been attended to.
Its actually a pretty tricky decision to spend on some Tvr's, especially with an S, as the price of major works compared to current resale values means that you have to be damn sure she's a keeper before you undertake anything too major.
LBH buying an old car generally means spending money, but TVR's that have had money spent in the right places are still being seriously undervalued by some people.
Its actually a pretty tricky decision to spend on some Tvr's, especially with an S, as the price of major works compared to current resale values means that you have to be damn sure she's a keeper before you undertake anything too major.
LBH buying an old car generally means spending money, but TVR's that have had money spent in the right places are still being seriously undervalued by some people.
Oh absolutely, agree with most of that ^^^
As I see it, there are three main areas to consider on an S (or any TVR).
1) Chassis - the most important bit, because it's the most expensive/involved bit to put right.
2) Bodywork - second most expensive bit to sort
3) Interior - third most expensive bit to sort
4) Engine/gearbox - mostly because the labour to remove is quite high
...in that order too. Everything else is just haggle ammunition.
A car with a knackered chassis, but perfect body and interior shouldn't be written off, so even if a chassis is questionable (and having an original chassis these days qualifies as questionable) the car may still be worthwhile if the other two are sorted. You could easily blow £7k doing paint and interior, and that's a middle of the road job too.
Holy grail is finding all four. I reckon even an S1 is worth £10k + with all four in A1 condition.
As I see it, there are three main areas to consider on an S (or any TVR).
1) Chassis - the most important bit, because it's the most expensive/involved bit to put right.
2) Bodywork - second most expensive bit to sort
3) Interior - third most expensive bit to sort
4) Engine/gearbox - mostly because the labour to remove is quite high
...in that order too. Everything else is just haggle ammunition.
A car with a knackered chassis, but perfect body and interior shouldn't be written off, so even if a chassis is questionable (and having an original chassis these days qualifies as questionable) the car may still be worthwhile if the other two are sorted. You could easily blow £7k doing paint and interior, and that's a middle of the road job too.
Holy grail is finding all four. I reckon even an S1 is worth £10k + with all four in A1 condition.
Kitchski said:
As I see it, there are three main areas to consider on an S .
Or even four!In reverse order:
4. engine and box are fairly bomb proof (talking V6 S's), stands a chance it'll be a real dog if they're cream crackered.
3. trim and interior are not going to stop you using/enjoying it, can be sorted as and when funds allow.
2. bodywork as above really.
1. dangerous and possible MOT fail (scary to see some that have passed), generally needs doing in one big and expensive hit.
Haha I reckon its something to do with money spent that stops you being able to count past 3.
Thats nail on head....look at the car and and assess which of the main 3...4 have been carried out....(properly of course) and don't write it off because the chassis has not been done if the rest is good or any other combo for fair money. Sense would say start at the Chassis if lots needs doing but it doesn't always seem to work that way...at least it hasn't ever for me.
A good S has to be worth 10k and thats a 2.8 or 2.9 not V8....I just don't get ones being sold with sorted chassis, paint and engine being sold for half that or peanuts....its almost a new car.
Thats nail on head....look at the car and and assess which of the main 3...4
have been carried out....(properly of course) and don't write it off because the chassis has not been done if the rest is good or any other combo for fair money. Sense would say start at the Chassis if lots needs doing but it doesn't always seem to work that way...at least it hasn't ever for me.A good S has to be worth 10k and thats a 2.8 or 2.9 not V8....I just don't get ones being sold with sorted chassis, paint and engine being sold for half that or peanuts....its almost a new car.
I might have to sell mine next year, and my chassis' A1 (better than original). The body is pretty good, but not perfect (colour hides it all well) and the interior is ok - dash and doorcards good, seats not so much!
No idea what I'll get for it, but I'm with you - no way I'm mugging it off, as it'd cost £12k if you wanted to put all that together yourself.
No idea what I'll get for it, but I'm with you - no way I'm mugging it off, as it'd cost £12k if you wanted to put all that together yourself.
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