Fuel Lines

[phillpot]

Steve_D said:

Cut some short lengths of suitable size pipe, slit lengthwise and fit over the cunifer

slide a few bits on first then no need to slit, if too many they can be cut off





I'm using this, be it right or wrong? ..... fuel pipe

Edited by phillpot on Sunday 26th February 06:37

[Steve_D]

phillpot said:

Steve_D said:

Cut some short lengths of suitable size pipe, slit lengthwise and fit over the cunifer

slide a few bits on first then no need to slit, if too many they can be cut off


I'm using this, be it right or wrong? ..... fuel pipe

I'm hoping you are joking with me.

If not you need to read http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a... as that is exactly the hose we have had problems with and had to recall customers cars to change it.

Steve

[GreenV8S]

Steve_D said:

I'm hoping you are joking with me.

Given that it's useless as fuel hose, wouldn't you say that giving mechanical protection to a fuel pipe is a good use for it?

[Steve_D]

GreenV8S said:

Steve_D said:

I'm hoping you are joking with me.

Given that it's useless as fuel hose, wouldn't you say that giving mechanical protection to a fuel pipe is a good use for it?

AAH, would seem the joke is on me.
Still, better that I look the fool rather than let someone mistakenly using that crap as fuel hose.

Steve

[v8s4me]

Steve_D said:

... and Gates 'Barricade' hose....

Where do you get your Gates 'Barricade' hose from? I've tried eBay but the only suppliers I've found don't stock the high pressure stuff.

[Steve_D]

v8s4me said:

Steve_D said:

... and Gates 'Barricade' hose....

Where do you get your Gates 'Barricade' hose from? I've tried eBay but the only suppliers I've found don't stock the high pressure stuff.

It's on the shelf in our local motor factors.

What makes you think the ones you are seeing are not high pressure?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Barricade-Fuel-Injection...

This is likely the part you want and has a burst pressure of 80 bar.

Steve

[phillpot]

Steve_D said:

What makes you think the ones you are seeing are not high pressure?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Barricade-Fuel-Injection...

It's late and perhaps I'm missing something but can't see a bore dimension nor how much hose you get for your 80 quid in that ad?

[v8s4me]

Steve_D said:

...It's on the shelf in our local motor factors...

Not in mine. They hadn't heard of 'Gates' and offered me a 'Technics' (I think) brand at £10pm rated for fuel injection.

Steve_D said:

...What makes you think the ones you are seeing are not high pressure?

Because THIS was the only one I could find when I searched eBay and it is listed as "Rated for use to 50 PSI, for any carburettor application". I checked with the seller and he doesn't do high pressure ones.

Steve_D said:

..This is likely the part you want and has a burst pressure of 80 bar..

Is that high enough for fuel injection? If so I'll ask what bore size (1/4" yes?) and what length you get for that price. Hopefully more than 5m!

[GreenV8S]

v8s4me said:

They hadn't heard of 'Gates'

You're in the wrong shop.

Edited by GreenV8S on Thursday 2nd March 00:19

[v8s4me]

GreenV8S said:

....You're in the wrong shop. ....

For fuel lines, definately. But when I go in for bits for my old 2.8i Tasmin they know exactly what I'm talking about. They stock Valvoline VR1, lots of old RV8 bits, old coolant hoses (cheap ) and even understand about the Capri clutch, and they are cheaper than Halfords. Can't have everything I suppose.

Edited by v8s4me on Thursday 2nd March 08:44

[phillpot]

v8s4me said:

Is that high enough for fuel injection? If so I'll ask what bore size (1/4" yes?) and what length you get for that price. Hopefully more than 5m!

Should be 5/16" bore and 50 psi is a bit "border line" with injection systems typically running at 35/45psi. How about some Goodyear...

No pressure rating but does say "fuel injection hose" ?



Going back to Richards original post and issues with hose marked SAE J30R9 , perhaps I've missed something but is the verdict that it is all sub standard, or could possibly be have been just one dodgy batch?

[v8s4me]

phillpot said:

....Should be 5/16" bore and 50 psi is a bit "border line" with injection systems typically running at 35/45psi..

Humm ... the existing stuff on mine is 1/4" bore.

[Kitchski]

phillpot said:

Going back to Richards original post and issues with hose marked SAE J30R9 , perhaps I've missed something but is the verdict that it is all sub standard, or could possibly be have been just one dodgy batch?

If it's a dodgy batch, it's a very big batch. Pretty much every hose I've seen of that branding has failed. There are other brands too. The worst stuff was stamped '400-series' and was a large bore hose used to supply the pump from the tank. That actually ended up leaking on one occasion. I've also seen Gates 3225 begin to fail, though I believe it was around five years old at the time, rather than the usual two.

My opinion is that I wouldn't fit anything other than Barricade, but that's only based on current findings.

There was no real conclusion on it as it's an ever-evolving entity. I'm still learning all the time with these issues, and the water is as clear as mud!

There was a German brand which failed pretty badly too, but annoying I've left it out of my spreadsheet. I took some pics though - it's the one where it looked fine until I applied some pressure. Krakenfumpf or something like that

All injection hoses are rated to 150PSI, minimum. 50PSI is carb hose - you don't want that. Barricade, I think, is rated to 200 or even possibly 250PSI, but these systems won't get near that.

[phillpot]

Kitchski said:

If it's a dodgy batch, it's a very big batch...........................

Thankyou for clarifying that (as best you could)

v8s4me said:

Humm ... the existing stuff on mine is 1/4" bore.

2.8 could be different but 2.9 (and my 3.0 Essex and 4.0 RV8) are all 5/16 - 8mm

[Kitchski]

phillpot said:

2.8 could be different but 2.9 (and my 3.0 Essex and 4.0 RV8) are all 5/16 - 8mm

They're all 8mm (apart from the plastic-nylon pre-fab lines on the V6 cars, with the stupid banjo fittings). The only 1/4 lines I know of are for the clutch.

[Steve_D]

phillpot said:

Steve_D said:

What makes you think the ones you are seeing are not high pressure?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Barricade-Fuel-Injection...

It's late and perhaps I'm missing something but can't see a bore dimension nor how much hose you get for your 80 quid in that ad?

If you goggle the part number and scroll down to the gates pdf.
It comes back with 8mm ID, 7.6 M roll, 15.5 BAR working pressure (224psi).

Agreed the Ebay ad could have been more helpful.

Steve

[v8s4me]

Steve_D said:

....What makes you think the ones you are seeing are not high pressure?
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Barricade-Fuel-Injection... This is likely the part you want and has a burst pressure of 80 bar. ..
Steve

I contacted the seller with these questions:-

Is this hose suitable for high pressure fuel injection systems?
What length is supplied for the price quoted?
What in the internal bore diameter?
Thanks
Joe


They replied:-
Thanks for your message.
If this is a UK vehicle please can you provide your vehicle registration number so I can accurately check if this part fits your car?
If your vehicle is not registered in the UK please can you fill out as much of the information listed below as possible? This information will allow us to identify vehicle:
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Year of manufacture
Engine ccm
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Fuel Type
Engine Code
Engine Number
Let me know if you need any more help from us. We are here to help!
Janice

FFS!

[TurboTony]

As I will be going to Spa via Luxembourg in May, travelling in convoy with Niiige, I think that it would be a good idea to buy a length of the large diameter hose which connects the tank to the fuel pump. It would just be a matter of finding a lay by, ensuring an adequate supply of baby wipes and volunteers to carry out the clean up operation. Has any one a definitive supplier for the 5/8 inch hose which is ethanol resistant and suitable for this application? The original hose was reinforced but I do not know if this is essential. Ideas welcome, including gps co-ordinates for Luxembourgeois parking areas (preferably ones which allow penalty free parking).

[tdiquattro]

I know I don't exactly have any right to comment! but just to let you know for info, I replaced the high pressure run the length of the car (front to back lol) and the low pressure return.

I used the teflon lined metal braided hose with AN/JIC fittings , very robust, can you not use this? are there not fittings available to marry up to the filter/FPR/rails? Certainly only need to do it once.

The return was in rubber with the same fittings.

Nige (I have no authority or standing on an S forum.. )

[TJC46]

Here you go......enough gates here to keep anyone happy.

http://www.carbuildersolutions.com/uk/fuel-hose-fu...

Some people should be kept behind locked gates or at least in a secure environment......

I speak from experience having attended quite a few S club heaven meets over the years.......



Click on my profile...............you know you want too.................and drool over the picture of the gorgeous red Chimaera!

This is what you could aspire to, if you TURN TO THE DARK SIDE

I replaced like for like on my car which was copper pipe.

Only thing i did was wherever the copper pipe was exposed to the elements i fitted shrink wrap over the pipe.

Edited by TJC46 on Sunday 5th March 20:03