Brake pads - which make/type?
Discussion
We have decided to take Joospeeds advice on the brake front. One set of XR4i calipers and carriers winging in my direction!
We are going to fit Black Diamond grooved disks all round but are unsure of which pads to use with them. Obviously we're trying to get the best braking performance we can but, as we won't track the car at all, don't need the pads to take that kind of punishment.Brake pedal feel, in all temperatures and driving conditions, is almost as important. I understand that EBC greenstuff pads are a good road/track alrounder but need to be warm before they work well. Other possibilities include the Mintex M1144, Black Diamond predator and Formula performance pads....oh and of course Fords finest.
Any views or other suggestions appreciated. This can be a really emotive topic and getting good advice on such a subjective issue is proving difficult.
Regards
Kevin
We are going to fit Black Diamond grooved disks all round but are unsure of which pads to use with them. Obviously we're trying to get the best braking performance we can but, as we won't track the car at all, don't need the pads to take that kind of punishment.Brake pedal feel, in all temperatures and driving conditions, is almost as important. I understand that EBC greenstuff pads are a good road/track alrounder but need to be warm before they work well. Other possibilities include the Mintex M1144, Black Diamond predator and Formula performance pads....oh and of course Fords finest.
Any views or other suggestions appreciated. This can be a really emotive topic and getting good advice on such a subjective issue is proving difficult.
Regards
Kevin
I've used Greenstuff through the winter with no problems. They work very well indeed, the only problem is terrible disc wear when they get hot. M1144 is OK if you don't mind a slightly dead pedal and only moderately good temperature rating. Tarox XF and DS2000 both cost more but both offer better pedal feel and have a higher temperature rating. There are plenty of good quality fast road pads to choose from, just stay away from standard road pads and race pads.
It seems quite rare that me and Peter disagree, but in my experience EBC pads are the Devil's own brake material ..
by contrast i swear by Mintex and find the 1144 brilliant in all conditions, road to track. Only with the serious track head-cases do i fit 1155.
I've had experience of ferodos ds2500 also, another hype-over-performance pad IMO.
I've got APEC pads in the S at the moment .. 8 quid a box and indistructable fade free stopping so far. Just goes to show ...
by contrast i swear by Mintex and find the 1144 brilliant in all conditions, road to track. Only with the serious track head-cases do i fit 1155.
I've had experience of ferodos ds2500 also, another hype-over-performance pad IMO.
I've got APEC pads in the S at the moment .. 8 quid a box and indistructable fade free stopping so far. Just goes to show ...
Thanks for the responses guys,
I hope I am doing the right thing with the Black Diamond(BD)disks. Most of the resellers I have spoken to have said that they get less grief from BD disks than any others including the EBC ones. One said Tarox G88 disks were better but he was a lone voice and anyway, at nearly twice the price they should be.
Julian, since you are running the same set-up that I will be, do you find that Peter has a point, with regard to pedal feel, when using the Mintex 1144 pads? Or would you just use the £8 a box ones? I don't know how much the subjective feel of a given pad is determined by the rest of the brake set-up.
Any more comments chaps/chapesses?
Kevin
I hope I am doing the right thing with the Black Diamond(BD)disks. Most of the resellers I have spoken to have said that they get less grief from BD disks than any others including the EBC ones. One said Tarox G88 disks were better but he was a lone voice and anyway, at nearly twice the price they should be.
Julian, since you are running the same set-up that I will be, do you find that Peter has a point, with regard to pedal feel, when using the Mintex 1144 pads? Or would you just use the £8 a box ones? I don't know how much the subjective feel of a given pad is determined by the rest of the brake set-up.
Any more comments chaps/chapesses?
Kevin
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joospeed said:
I'm losing: votes
ebc .....2
1144 ....1
bugger.
EBC.... Just say NO!
EBC.... Just say no but they are a pretty colour green and you do get a wonderful sticker to hide that paint chip...
Mintex good... Tarox better
Mintex good... DS2000 Nirvana
Does that help?
Steve
>> Edited by shpub on Wednesday 23 July 09:21
v8esser said:
not even run in yet
It is quite important to follow the correct bedding in procedure for new pads, which varies from make to make. If you aren't bedding them in properly, you definitely won't get the best from them. Did you bed in the Greenstuff pads? Why are you replacing them?
Thanks for the replies but you will forgive me for being more confused than ever!!
Have any of you had any experience with the Black Diamond disks or pads?
Were the comments on the mintex M1144 about just road driving or track as well?(Peter,Simon,Steve and Julian)
Steve, what is so good about the DS2000? Is it the feel/performance on the road or the way it works on the track?
I don't mind paying that little bit more for a perceptable difference in the way the brakes work. I don't, however, want to pay for track performance that we will never use and will almost certainly compromise the road manners of the braking system.
Please guys, can you qualify your statements. If I'm sounding panicky it's because I am. I will drop the car off to David Batty tomorrow for him to start on it Monday. I need to order any brake parts tomorrow morning or they will not get there for Monday.
On the evidence so far I have no idea what to order so will probably order a stupid combination of pads and disks or take the safe route....stick with Fords finest (which,incidentaly,is what's on your car Pies!)
Cheers for the anticipated help
Kevin
Have any of you had any experience with the Black Diamond disks or pads? Were the comments on the mintex M1144 about just road driving or track as well?(Peter,Simon,Steve and Julian)
Steve, what is so good about the DS2000? Is it the feel/performance on the road or the way it works on the track?
I don't mind paying that little bit more for a perceptable difference in the way the brakes work. I don't, however, want to pay for track performance that we will never use and will almost certainly compromise the road manners of the braking system.
Please guys, can you qualify your statements. If I'm sounding panicky it's because I am. I will drop the car off to David Batty tomorrow for him to start on it Monday. I need to order any brake parts tomorrow morning or they will not get there for Monday.
On the evidence so far I have no idea what to order so will probably order a stupid combination of pads and disks or take the safe route....stick with Fords finest (which,incidentaly,is what's on your car Pies!) Cheers for the anticipated help
Kevin
my experience is based on using so many sets of pads that the last lot I bought in bulk.....
The DS2000 are great from cold and have excellent feel and despite my best attempts, resist heat extremely well. 30 minute sessions at Silverstone are no problem. They work from cold and are consistent which is one thing I found badly wrong with EBCs. Hit the pedal and you never quite knew what was going to happen. Fine when warm but until then urgggghhhh. DS2000 don't eat disks either.
The DS2000 are great from cold and have excellent feel and despite my best attempts, resist heat extremely well. 30 minute sessions at Silverstone are no problem. They work from cold and are consistent which is one thing I found badly wrong with EBCs. Hit the pedal and you never quite knew what was going to happen. Fine when warm but until then urgggghhhh. DS2000 don't eat disks either.
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