Anyone else concerned about ULEZ
Discussion
Sorry, I couldn't keep a straight face.Hoofy said:
Don't forget, to the mayor of London and TFL, every journey matters.
Yes, because TFL passenger numbers are falling, so their revenue is falling and they need to increase it again... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-london-426228...Its a nonsense extending the zone as proposed. The £800 million plus it will cost to install the infrastructure required would be better spent replacing domestic boilers that are polluting and replacing the ghastly black cabs and buses.
In Waltham Forest we are split by the north circular. Parts of the council propose extending the ULEZ to the whole borough. The consultation process from the Mayors office has been scandalous and the on line questionnaire so loaded in its options to answer that it became a joke. I suppose its what one should expect from a duplicitous Mayor though.
Do something where there is a issue with air quality. In Waltham Forest there is not a general problem at all.
In Waltham Forest we are split by the north circular. Parts of the council propose extending the ULEZ to the whole borough. The consultation process from the Mayors office has been scandalous and the on line questionnaire so loaded in its options to answer that it became a joke. I suppose its what one should expect from a duplicitous Mayor though.
Do something where there is a issue with air quality. In Waltham Forest there is not a general problem at all.
silverthorn2151 said:
The £800 million plus it will cost to install the infrastructure required would be better spent replacing domestic boilers that are polluting and replacing the ghastly black cabs and buses.
I'm sure I read that, even in London, wood burning fires caused the most particulate pollution.I wouldn't be surprised.
There are many better ways of 'improving' air quality than the ULEZ being extended outwards into areas with plenty of fresh air. We had a presentation at a local ward meeting about this and it was most illuminating.
Sadiq Khan being Mayor is mostly about Sadiq Khan. Hopefully his tenure won't last but I am not too optimistic on that front.
There are many better ways of 'improving' air quality than the ULEZ being extended outwards into areas with plenty of fresh air. We had a presentation at a local ward meeting about this and it was most illuminating.
Sadiq Khan being Mayor is mostly about Sadiq Khan. Hopefully his tenure won't last but I am not too optimistic on that front.
ZX10R NIN said:
It's not about Air Quality it's about revenue.
TFL have also recently said they are looking into scrapping the Boris bikes too.They are justifying this as '3rd party bike companies will take up the slack' but in reality it is all about getting people using bus and tube again.
Shocking that the dumbasses didn't realise that promoting cycling so much would take away customers
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/transport/thames-c...
Angpozzuto said:
ZX10R NIN said:
Yes I read that too, something to do with trying to get their passenger numbers back up as they're falling.
People would rather ride a bike to work than use a bus or tube says a lot about the quality/ value for money of public transport I chose to cycle for 7 years and that was fine.
I'm now concentrating on running so am back on the tube.
I generally gets me in and out no bother.
Ive just joined this site and am loving it.
Came across the atricle regarding the ULEZ and had to comment. I think that there appears to be a lot of "itll never happen" attitude floating about, but i dont think people quite realise how serious this it. Both to our heritage and culture, if nothing else. Not to mention that it appears , to me at least, to be fundamentally undemocratic!
I dont believe that this so called policy has ANYTHING to do with emissions, and EVERYTHING to do with an attack on our culture. Plus TFLs figuires are flawed regarding the levels of polloution and various types of car. Their figuires are based on every car in london being on the road at the same time and producing the maximum amount of emmisions they can all of the time.
In reality some of the most pollouted roads in the country dont have cars using them. In reality only around 10-15 per cent of atmospheric emmisions are produced by cars, with most being produced by buses and hauliage,
Then there is the issue of mr Khan and co. These people are elected civil cervants. The key word here is ELECTED! Are they trying to commit political suicide? Who remembers the era of the poll tax? Can Pay, Wont Pay!!!!!
I would love to see people driving into the ulez and just ignoring the charge. What are they going to do? Tow over a million cars away?
Even though the polar bear friendly club and the hippies will love this. its time to say think again Khan and TFL. This is not about transport or enviromental policy, but rather money and social engineering!
Come on people, just flout it. Can Pay, Wont Pay!
Came across the atricle regarding the ULEZ and had to comment. I think that there appears to be a lot of "itll never happen" attitude floating about, but i dont think people quite realise how serious this it. Both to our heritage and culture, if nothing else. Not to mention that it appears , to me at least, to be fundamentally undemocratic!
I dont believe that this so called policy has ANYTHING to do with emissions, and EVERYTHING to do with an attack on our culture. Plus TFLs figuires are flawed regarding the levels of polloution and various types of car. Their figuires are based on every car in london being on the road at the same time and producing the maximum amount of emmisions they can all of the time.
In reality some of the most pollouted roads in the country dont have cars using them. In reality only around 10-15 per cent of atmospheric emmisions are produced by cars, with most being produced by buses and hauliage,
Then there is the issue of mr Khan and co. These people are elected civil cervants. The key word here is ELECTED! Are they trying to commit political suicide? Who remembers the era of the poll tax? Can Pay, Wont Pay!!!!!
I would love to see people driving into the ulez and just ignoring the charge. What are they going to do? Tow over a million cars away?
Even though the polar bear friendly club and the hippies will love this. its time to say think again Khan and TFL. This is not about transport or enviromental policy, but rather money and social engineering!
Come on people, just flout it. Can Pay, Wont Pay!
selkent1 said:
Ive just joined this site and am loving it.
Came across the atricle regarding the ULEZ and had to comment. I think that there appears to be a lot of "itll never happen" attitude floating about, but i dont think people quite realise how serious this it. Both to our heritage and culture, if nothing else. Not to mention that it appears , to me at least, to be fundamentally undemocratic!
I dont believe that this so called policy has ANYTHING to do with emissions, and EVERYTHING to do with an attack on our culture. Plus TFLs figuires are flawed regarding the levels of polloution and various types of car. Their figuires are based on every car in london being on the road at the same time and producing the maximum amount of emmisions they can all of the time.
In reality some of the most pollouted roads in the country dont have cars using them. In reality only around 10-15 per cent of atmospheric emmisions are produced by cars, with most being produced by buses and hauliage,
Then there is the issue of mr Khan and co. These people are elected civil cervants. The key word here is ELECTED! Are they trying to commit political suicide? Who remembers the era of the poll tax? Can Pay, Wont Pay!!!!!
I would love to see people driving into the ulez and just ignoring the charge. What are they going to do? Tow over a million cars away?
Even though the polar bear friendly club and the hippies will love this. its time to say think again Khan and TFL. This is not about transport or enviromental policy, but rather money and social engineering!
Come on people, just flout it. Can Pay, Wont Pay!
Yeah, except that many major UK cities are breaching air quality guidelines massively and that the authorities will ultimately be held responsible. That's why they are trying to sort it out.Came across the atricle regarding the ULEZ and had to comment. I think that there appears to be a lot of "itll never happen" attitude floating about, but i dont think people quite realise how serious this it. Both to our heritage and culture, if nothing else. Not to mention that it appears , to me at least, to be fundamentally undemocratic!
I dont believe that this so called policy has ANYTHING to do with emissions, and EVERYTHING to do with an attack on our culture. Plus TFLs figuires are flawed regarding the levels of polloution and various types of car. Their figuires are based on every car in london being on the road at the same time and producing the maximum amount of emmisions they can all of the time.
In reality some of the most pollouted roads in the country dont have cars using them. In reality only around 10-15 per cent of atmospheric emmisions are produced by cars, with most being produced by buses and hauliage,
Then there is the issue of mr Khan and co. These people are elected civil cervants. The key word here is ELECTED! Are they trying to commit political suicide? Who remembers the era of the poll tax? Can Pay, Wont Pay!!!!!
I would love to see people driving into the ulez and just ignoring the charge. What are they going to do? Tow over a million cars away?
Even though the polar bear friendly club and the hippies will love this. its time to say think again Khan and TFL. This is not about transport or enviromental policy, but rather money and social engineering!
Come on people, just flout it. Can Pay, Wont Pay!
Delighted to that my council have lobbed another £50 in parking permits for diesels this year..
They cause a disproportionate amount of the airborne muck in cities and the Euro 5's and before really have no place here.
Euro 6's are hardly ideal either.
selkent1 said:
Yeah, guidlines set by government quangos! All on the name of fake green taxation!
Still not convinced this has anything to do with emissions. There are plenty of other ways to reduce emmision without pricing people off of the road!
But they're still going to get nailed.Still not convinced this has anything to do with emissions. There are plenty of other ways to reduce emmision without pricing people off of the road!
And anyway there there are still far too many people using cars for short urban trips. Especially diesels. They are the real menace. You really can smell them.
Assuming you can't get people's arses out of cars at least get them back out of unsuitable soot chuckers and into hybrids, EV's or modern petrols.
Better still on foot, tubes or bikes although that doesn't work for a lot of people.
I did check my 23 year old Celica against the government site and I am exempt, for now I guess, I live in Zone 3.
Somewhat ironically today the government passed the next steps of putting a 3rd runway at Heathrow which will enable an extra 700 planes a day to dump pollution (both emissions and noise) right across the area they are putting the ULEZ into, despite the Gatwick option being better in almost every respect (not demolishing houses/infrastructure, number of people on flight paths etc) - the hypocrisy is blatant and quite embarrassing to be quite frank.
Somewhat ironically today the government passed the next steps of putting a 3rd runway at Heathrow which will enable an extra 700 planes a day to dump pollution (both emissions and noise) right across the area they are putting the ULEZ into, despite the Gatwick option being better in almost every respect (not demolishing houses/infrastructure, number of people on flight paths etc) - the hypocrisy is blatant and quite embarrassing to be quite frank.
AC43 said:
But they're still going to get nailed.
And anyway there there are still far too many people using cars for short urban trips. Especially diesels. They are the real menace. You really can smell them.
Assuming you can't get people's arses out of cars at least get them back out of unsuitable soot chuckers and into hybrids, EV's or modern petrols.
Better still on foot, tubes or bikes although that doesn't work for a lot of people.
If this is the case, can you explain how the pollution targets were met during the bus strike, when the number of cars on the road on the road increased and TFL buses were severely reduced?And anyway there there are still far too many people using cars for short urban trips. Especially diesels. They are the real menace. You really can smell them.
Assuming you can't get people's arses out of cars at least get them back out of unsuitable soot chuckers and into hybrids, EV's or modern petrols.
Better still on foot, tubes or bikes although that doesn't work for a lot of people.
Mark300zx said:
AC43 said:
But they're still going to get nailed.
And anyway there there are still far too many people using cars for short urban trips. Especially diesels. They are the real menace. You really can smell them.
Assuming you can't get people's arses out of cars at least get them back out of unsuitable soot chuckers and into hybrids, EV's or modern petrols.
Better still on foot, tubes or bikes although that doesn't work for a lot of people.
If this is the case, can you explain how the pollution targets were met during the bus strike, when the number of cars on the road on the road increased and TFL buses were severely reduced?And anyway there there are still far too many people using cars for short urban trips. Especially diesels. They are the real menace. You really can smell them.
Assuming you can't get people's arses out of cars at least get them back out of unsuitable soot chuckers and into hybrids, EV's or modern petrols.
Better still on foot, tubes or bikes although that doesn't work for a lot of people.
Twenty years ago only the weirdy beardy typed bought diesel cars.
I'm now surrounded by them and as study after study has shown they are super-efficient at steady speeds and terrible polluters in stop start city traffic.
And the sort of pollution we are talking about is very localised.
I'm not against diesels per se - just people driving past me day in day on on short trips in cold diesel cars.
It saves them 0.05p a day in RFL or whatever but buggers up the air totally unnecessarily.
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