Nottingham Council Traffic Department pro cyclists gone mad

Nottingham Council Traffic Department pro cyclists gone mad

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Mick50NCD

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90 posts

103 months

Saturday 27th August 2016
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Total madness re latest road junction alterations at Wollaton Park Estate giving priority to cyclists because '''' cyclists do not want to stop at junctions & find that a nuisance'''''' See you tube a conference where a Mr Morgan has £6million to spend to improve the cyclists lot.
These junctions are downright dangerous now because the cyclist who chooses to bomb across the road junctions that go onto the main Ring Road cannot be seen by the motorist whereby the motorist is told to stop at the double white lines set back from the cycle lane.http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/imgs/12.gif
The ideology of getting the 3% of the cycling 'workforce' up to 10% is the brain child of Mr Morgan apparently as he rants on you tube.http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/imgs/10.gif
I have nothing against cyclist whatsoever so long as they use the roads with equal care as I but I resent the antics of some who do not hold onto the bars but choose the stupid practice of having their hands behind their backs. They obviously think this is right but I do not.
While ever they do this I do not think it right no blame status should be given to them as these road works have done.
This latest blow for the motorist in Nottingham should be taken as an addition to the slippery slope drivers are on not just in Notitngham but
Nationally. These white lines represent the fact that lunacy has won and until the lines are removed anything is possible to degrade the motorist rights.
The stupidity of these junctions has to be seen to be believed. No professional who cares about road safety would put his/her name to that project. The residents as usual knew about the intended so called improvements a week before the project started by an undated letter with no accurate details either. Secret service is the name of the game with these car driver haters.

williamp

19,213 posts

272 months

Saturday 27th August 2016
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No, it is just Nottingham. Awful, much overrated City with a mis-placed sense of its own importance

Mick50NCD

Original Poster:

90 posts

103 months

Saturday 27th August 2016
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Thanks for the reply. I was told that country wide this priority situation is advocated Cameron, Mr King (AA), Boris......... and no doubt many more selebs.... I used to cycle miles when I started my apprenticship but two motor engineer mates I soon got some proper wheels.
Usually the money is an item but this cyclists rule thing seems unnecessary. I didn't know there was a war between the two until I saw a lot of arguments with the nasty attitude rubbishing a great bloke ( professional driver) who started the drivers union. The cyclists talked a load of bu- sh. It is obvious this project has been thought up by a complete nutter although his title is senior road planning. Clearly he should be sacked for professional misconduct but more than likely he will be promoted as was the head of the lot of traffic who once thought it was Ok to go either way round our island now for years it's been keep left but not of her doing !

judas

5,963 posts

258 months

Saturday 10th September 2016
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The mess they've made of Castle Boulevard is unbelievable. No wonder Nottingham city centre is dying as a shopping destination. In the several times I've had to drive that way recently I have seen a grand total of one cyclist using the new lanes. Well done, Nottingham City Council, you've managed to turn one of the busiest roads into the city into a car park.

fking cretins.

Vergis

549 posts

241 months

Tuesday 13th September 2016
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I have given up hope with local councils now that they have extended powers to make large infastructure changes without a mandate from Westminister. We are in terminal decline. No other country in Europe is this vicious with motorists. Now that Brexit is on the cards the councils are relishing even more powers to make life harder then it should be for the masses.

Something that councils fail to understand is that the country is one of the wettest places in Europe. This is why cycling will never become as popular as other countries that have embraced cycling. I alway smile to myself when I see the artistic impressions showing cycling and walking pedestrians on a sunny day. The need to show a picture of suddent rain storm during the sunny day such is the changeability of weather in the UK.

The cost to our economy for the councils obsession with cycle lane is incredibly high. We are the largest on line shoppers in Europe for a reason. Its so hard to get around in the UK city centres. Before pedestrianisian and like there was congestion but not so bad.

webby23

531 posts

180 months

Thursday 15th September 2016
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williamp said:
No, it is just Nottingham. Awful, much overrated City with a mis-placed sense of its own importance
And the evidence you have to support this is..........

raceboy

13,082 posts

279 months

Thursday 15th September 2016
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judas said:
No wonder Nottingham city centre is dying as a shopping destination.
If we have the misfortune to have to venture into Nottingham we usually opt for public transport of some sort, and the last time I was within the city limits I was on a bike. paperbag But for shopping we now opt for MeadowHell, Leeds or Birmingham even though Nottingham is geographically the closest 'large' city centre.
Not sure if this reads as a win for the council or not.....

Mick50NCD

Original Poster:

90 posts

103 months

Thursday 15th September 2016
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It was nice to see some folks agree with my writings but it is a shame there are not thousands of replies with the same realization that
drivers en mass have been well and truly screwed by whatever government has been in power because of the monetary value of
drivers who pay their way in this country but who do not get the full value of the payments they (the drivers) make.
I am astonished that there is not a big majority of the 33 milion drivers in the UK that have an organisation to challenge what is dished out to us. There is the ABD that are not forceful enough by any means and are very polite in all matters. On top of this they have many educated
people who are technically well qualified in all driving matters especially road safety and telling the truth.
The Drivers Union ( you drive) is more forceful and tells the truth but there is a position vacant for the East Mids due to a very astute
ex cop driver who ran the East Mids area and was the founder of Drivers Union that is retiring due to ill health. I cannot think of any driving subject that he was not an expert in due to his vast experience and he as I was surprised that far more drivers did not join the cause for fairness and justice two subjects that are lacking to date.
It is pertinent to understand that road safety should not be ruled by those who can gain financially from it and above all those given the task of making the rules for road safety are qualified in that subject & not handed that job because of ideology or more that likely 'who they know.

Boosted LS1

21,167 posts

259 months

Thursday 15th September 2016
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webby23 said:
williamp said:
No, it is just Nottingham. Awful, much overrated City with a mis-placed sense of its own importance
And the evidence you have to support this is..........
The way they put a parking meter on every available bit of parking space in the city. The way they made businesses pay a tax on their own parking spaces to fund a tram project which wasn't needed. The cycle lanes that are hardly used but which reduce road width by a third. The way the have enforcement areas which don't notify you that you're entering on. Cyclists in Beeston are having accidents on the tram routes and the City Council will just brush it off. Even their community charge bills had a threatening tone about them. Awful awful council.

I'm so glad I left that city and moved to another borough. They're power crazy at Notts City Council and anti motorist. lots of new traffic light junctions have appeared as well. It's stop, start all the way if theres a tram route nearby.

Mick50NCD

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90 posts

103 months

Thursday 15th September 2016
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Very heartening to see another sensible person noting what is happening in Nottingham.......... I998 was the year I telephoned
Nottinghamshire County traffic dept. The very high up chap was very informative and I was surprised when he said " It is government policy to get you all out of your cars and we have to do what is necessary to implement that"............ The next year came the speed
camera and was obviously found to be a nice little earner hence the rash all over the place especially here. The mobile one is the one to watch as its occupants are as crafty as a wagon load of foxes. ' Fix my street' states that they are operating 50 mts from the 50 MPH limit and despite being the most blatant of money earners it still persists in that position and has done now for about a year. They find this 'new'
position a better earner from the old position 400 mts from the 50 limit. Drivers became aware of that £100000 P anum camera so the customers decreased so they had to do something to get the income back to normal........ crafty ??????

Vergis

549 posts

241 months

Friday 16th September 2016
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It sad that this country makes the whole concept of independent travel and liberty much harder then it should be. In Europe they dont enforce the roads the way they do here. They just let people get on with living their life.

Now that Brexit is on the horizon the local councils will be relishing have an even more free reign to make life as hard as possible for the majority.

Leicester's bus lane and pedestrianisian of part of the ring road is another example of ludicrious planning. Birmingham is heading in the same direction too. What makes me laugh is that the whole idea of making cities car free zones is partly based on the premise that immigrations will mean there will be more people in the city centres wanting to get around. This is no longer a given with Brexit.

You only have to walk around central Manchester ( again in the middle of pedestrianisian and tramming )to see it a ghost town in the week day evenings. People that want to meet up for a drink decide to visit places outside the city centre since its so difficult to just turn up, park nearby and enjoy the city. Go to any other European city and you will find many people enjoying the city centre and parking often outside bars and restaurants on the street. When there is less traffic in the evenings during the weekdays it makes sense to utilise the empty capactity instead of a blanket ban.


The Mean Machine

67 posts

92 months

Monday 19th September 2016
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Mick50NCD said:
Total madness re latest road junction alterations at Wollaton Park Estate giving priority to cyclists because '''' cyclists do not want to stop at junctions & find that a nuisance'''''' See you tube a conference where a Mr Morgan has £6million to spend to improve the cyclists lot.
These junctions are downright dangerous now because the cyclist who chooses to bomb across the road junctions that go onto the main Ring Road cannot be seen by the motorist whereby the motorist is told to stop at the double white lines set back from the cycle lane.http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/imgs/12.gif
The ideology of getting the 3% of the cycling 'workforce' up to 10% is the brain child of Mr Morgan apparently as he rants on you tube.http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/imgs/10.gif
I have nothing against cyclist whatsoever so long as they use the roads with equal care as I but I resent the antics of some who do not hold onto the bars but choose the stupid practice of having their hands behind their backs. They obviously think this is right but I do not.
While ever they do this I do not think it right no blame status should be given to them as these road works have done.
This latest blow for the motorist in Nottingham should be taken as an addition to the slippery slope drivers are on not just in Notitngham but
Nationally. These white lines represent the fact that lunacy has won and until the lines are removed anything is possible to degrade the motorist rights.
The stupidity of these junctions has to be seen to be believed. No professional who cares about road safety would put his/her name to that project. The residents as usual knew about the intended so called improvements a week before the project started by an undated letter with no accurate details either. Secret service is the name of the game with these car driver haters.
Have to say that you comments are spot on, this has been followed by the lunacy of the cycle lane on Castle Boulevard. Traversing anywhere near the city centre has become a deeply time consuming exercise involving prior route planning. Now at the stage where I have almost given up going into Nottingham City centre for any shopping or restaurant. The city council have achieved their objective! Unfortunately we now have a city centre that is suffering from reduced footfall in its shops and lack of investment in business premises due to the hated workplace parking levy.

Mick50NCD

Original Poster:

90 posts

103 months

Monday 19th September 2016
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Every driver should take note of the ideas of the NCC who hate drivers and are now over the top in what they are doing to the roads to promote a no blame policy for cyclists.
Even cyclists are not immune from the ludicrous road alterations that have taken place. Apart from the dangerous incitement to cyclists to believe they have 'right of way at junctions', see article in the Sun newspaper------ ' Council chiefs blasted for pointless cycle lane u turn' = 18 -July 16... internet site found re address Nottingham Council mad about cyclists.............
It seems unbelievable that cyclists are angry with those who are trying their best to abolish cars from the roads.
As of now it will enhance the sales of dashboard cams which won't just be handy if there is an accident but will be essential
because there will be accidents right along Nottinghams Main Ring Road.

hoppo4.2

1,531 posts

185 months

Saturday 24th September 2016
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If you want to see poor road design come to Leicester. Of the 3 main routes into or out of town to the south. One was reduced from 3 lanes to 2 to reduce accidents.

One was reduced from 2 lanes to 1 by a permanent bus lane.
And the other was 3 lanes reduced to 2 by moving the existing parking bays into the 3rd Lane and making the pavement 100 ft wide.

markcoznottz

7,155 posts

223 months

Wednesday 5th October 2016
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Mick50NCD said:
Every driver should take note of the ideas of the NCC who hate drivers and are now over the top in what they are doing to the roads to promote a no blame policy for cyclists.
Even cyclists are not immune from the ludicrous road alterations that have taken place. Apart from the dangerous incitement to cyclists to believe they have 'right of way at junctions', see article in the Sun newspaper------ ' Council chiefs blasted for pointless cycle lane u turn' = 18 -July 16... internet site found re address Nottingham Council mad about cyclists.............
It seems unbelievable that cyclists are angry with those who are trying their best to abolish cars from the roads.
As of now it will enhance the sales of dashboard cams which won't just be handy if there is an accident but will be essential
because there will be accidents right along Nottinghams Main Ring Road.
Mick where is 'Nottingham park estate junction' which specific road?

Boosted LS1

21,167 posts

259 months

Wednesday 5th October 2016
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Did anybody see the local news last night? They're going to use one of the lanes near Colwick for buses and electric cars. So, all the real traffic will have to use a single lane whilst the nearside lane remains empty. The planner said 'they' want to get people away from using polluting cars.

judas

5,963 posts

258 months

Wednesday 5th October 2016
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Great. Yet another reason to go elsewhere. They really are bent on economic suicide. Cretins the lot of 'em! rolleyes

Mick50NCD

Original Poster:

90 posts

103 months

Wednesday 5th October 2016
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The Main Ring Road = Middleton Boulevard Nottingham City 90 years old major dual carriageway all 'side' roads onto this ring road have been designated cycle lane priority by the Traffic department who are pro cycle...... See Keith Morgan on You Tube 2015 safety conference who says
cyclists do not like stopping at junctions & they find this a nuisance. That is what he says and is utterly preposterous. He does not seem to realize that all motorists have been stopping at junctions ever since the second motor vehicle was made . What sort of a driver does this make him when he advocates that cyclists have the right to bomb across any junction to the detriment of a driver who is on the receiving end of an irresponsible cyclist that would run into his vehicle with the distinct possibility of the drivers insurance policy being adversely affected. As said the motorist cannot see adequately any approaching cyclist due to obstructions re hedges trees and fences. The Safety Audit was supposed to be applied at design but if this paper exists no Safety Auditer would grant a safety audit of those junctions as they exist.
The minority in Nottingham rule the majority because Mr Morgan quotes that 3% of workers go to work on a bike but he would like to
achieve 10% hence the daft ideas.

rich888

2,610 posts

198 months

Monday 17th October 2016
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Mick50NCD said:
The Main Ring Road = Middleton Boulevard Nottingham City 90 years old major dual carriageway all 'side' roads onto this ring road have been designated cycle lane priority by the Traffic department who are pro cycle...... See Keith Morgan on You Tube 2015 safety conference who says
cyclists do not like stopping at junctions & they find this a nuisance. That is what he says and is utterly preposterous. He does not seem to realize that all motorists have been stopping at junctions ever since the second motor vehicle was made . What sort of a driver does this make him when he advocates that cyclists have the right to bomb across any junction to the detriment of a driver who is on the receiving end of an irresponsible cyclist that would run into his vehicle with the distinct possibility of the drivers insurance policy being adversely affected. As said the motorist cannot see adequately any approaching cyclist due to obstructions re hedges trees and fences. The Safety Audit was supposed to be applied at design but if this paper exists no Safety Auditer would grant a safety audit of those junctions as they exist.
The minority in Nottingham rule the majority because Mr Morgan quotes that 3% of workers go to work on a bike but he would like to
achieve 10% hence the daft ideas.
I guess this explains the recent stupidity of lane markings for anyone unfortunate enough to travel into Nottingham from Mapperley Top because some bright spark has screwed up the lane markings so as to make it a very nasty experience for all concerned - well except for the out-of-touch jobsworth that signed off the changes.

Having said that, I'm sure that there are regulations for risk assessment and these clearly have not been carried out, so perhaps money can be make following on from any accidents.

In order to demonstrate the recent stupidity of changes to the lane markings I post the following:

First photo showing left lane now also allowing for changes into centre lane, I feel sorry for the poor sod already in the right hand lane driving over the junction whilst assuming that he's already in the correct lane! If you check back a few 100 yards on Google Maps you will note that the left lane is clearly marked as for straight on, it's only when you drive over the junction that the markings allow for the change to the middle lane.



These next two photos are a traffic light junction from both perspectives, the crucial one is when driving towards Nottingham (following the yellow VW Beetle), the old lane markings were left lane for left only which was logical because the road isn't wide enough for two lanes, so the new scenario is for two lanes merging into one even before the end of the boxed area. Is total madness and is causing daily near misses. Once again, a proper risk assessment appears to have been ignored leaving Nottingham City Council or whoever is responsible for changing the line markings 100% liable for damages.





Actually if you want a real shockingly poor example of Nottingham piss poor road planning then take a look at the most recent and expensive screw up on the A52 near Beeston where the road planning idiots have carved the road straight through the middle of an existing roundabout. Anyone attempting to turn right is in for a shock. Most local drivers know about it but it's tough sh*t for anyone travelling in from outside the area who is confronted with this monumental white elephant. What the hell were these clowns thinking?











Why have Nottingham road planners become so dangerously stupid?

Edited by rich888 on Monday 17th October 01:10

rich888

2,610 posts

198 months

Monday 17th October 2016
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Actually here are a few more pics from Google Maps to illustrate the problem drivers from outside the area are faced with:

Nottingham road planners should be ashamed of themselves for signing off such shoddy road planning:







Is the requirement for a job in road planning nowadays to be totally stupid? and I don't say this lightly because their road planning decisions effect tens of thousands of drivers on a daily basis.