BHP whats your's??
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RedRSR said:
pdd144c said:
Be happy to join everyone on a track day though. If you have the balls that is
A driving god!
LOL
Don't you just love it when someone with a Peugeot 205 tells a Ferrari owner that he is doing it all wrong. OMFG.
Edited by Beemer-5 on Wednesday 27th December 07:36
Beemer-5 said:
RedRSR said:
pdd144c said:
Be happy to join everyone on a track day though. If you have the balls that is
A driving god!
LOL
Don't you just love it when someone with a Peugeot 205 tells a Ferrari owner that he is doing it all wrong. OMFG.
Edited by Beemer-5 on Wednesday 27th December 07:36
it's like Mr Muscle telling Mike Tyson that he could teach him a few tricks in the ring
Beemer-5 said:
RedRSR said:
pdd144c said:
Be happy to join everyone on a track day though. If you have the balls that is
A driving god!
LOL
Don't you just love it when someone with a Peugeot 205 tells a Ferrari owner that he is doing it all wrong. OMFG.
Edited by Beemer-5 on Wednesday 27th December 07:36
In the world of hillclimbing/ sprinting, the rarri owners should take note.
Never underestimate a well prepared and well driven 205GTi. That's true BCA.
Even going back several decades i had an 80 bhp Hilman Imp hill climber which was more than capable of out-dragging 'much faster on paper' cars.
I just meant the overall 'you need to do this and that as you've got Ferraris and so much money' angle which was being taken.
Never mind, happy new year and all that to all forummers.
BCA said:
Beemer-5 said:
RedRSR said:
pdd144c said:
Be happy to join everyone on a track day though. If you have the balls that is
A driving god!
LOL
Don't you just love it when someone with a Peugeot 205 tells a Ferrari owner that he is doing it all wrong. OMFG.
Edited by Beemer-5 on Wednesday 27th December 07:36
In the world of hillclimbing/ sprinting, the rarri owners should take note.
Never underestimate a well prepared and well driven 205GTi. Totally agree, I've often been shown up by a battered old hot hatch when hill climbing, but the words TRACK DAY do change
things
Beemer-5 said:
The thing with the R1 bike was that the value for money and ptw aspects were always in it's favour. £7000 new in 2004.
Even if you take the weight of a driver out of the equation, for a road car to have 1 bhp per 1 kg is virtually impossible.
Like my Lancer Evolution having 1,400 bhp rather than 340 bhp!
Even if you take the weight of a driver out of the equation, for a road car to have 1 bhp per 1 kg is virtually impossible.
Like my Lancer Evolution having 1,400 bhp rather than 340 bhp!
The problem is, you are taking the driver/rider out of the equation, and it's giving wildly misleading figures.
Bike=165kg+rider @85kg inc leathers boot helmet ect =250kg @ 165hp = 660bhp/ton
EVO=1400kg+driver @80kg without the above = 1480kg so to get 660bhp/ton it needs 977bhp. Which I grant you is a lot but nowhere near the 1400.
Quoting bhp per ton figures without a driver/rider is always misleading and the lighter the car the worse they are.
Edited by Fort Jefferson on Saturday 30th December 12:31
Fair enough, but even using your figures it proves that road-legal 4-wheelers would have to be dramatically expensive and/or unreliable for the street if they were to match an almost standard road bike on ptw ratio.
My underlying point remains, performance per buck is with two wheelers.
Name a car with the bhp per kg of my R1 even using your numbers!
My underlying point remains, performance per buck is with two wheelers.
Name a car with the bhp per kg of my R1 even using your numbers!
Beemer-5 said:
Fair enough, but even using your figures it proves that road-legal 4-wheelers would have to be dramatically expensive and/or unreliable for the street if they were to match an almost standard road bike on ptw ratio.
My underlying point remains, performance per buck is with two wheelers.
Name a car with the bhp per kg of my R1 even using your numbers!
My underlying point remains, performance per buck is with two wheelers.
Name a car with the bhp per kg of my R1 even using your numbers!
For performance read;- Straight line acceleration, on a dry road. And I don't disagree.
I can remember when i paid £5000 for an almost new bike and went out and ate my boss at the time's Porsche 996 turbo for breakfast, dinner and tea and it WASN'T just acceleration in a straight line either actually! The difference in acceleration WAS dramatic but the Suzuki Hyabusa's 190 mph top speed meant that the Porsche was never going to catch up anyway on any road. Any tiny advantage in top speed it may have had was never going to come into play.
As far as dry conditions go, anyone who goes madly fast in the rain on two wheels is a complete idiot so that point is superfluous anyway.
As far as dry conditions go, anyone who goes madly fast in the rain on two wheels is a complete idiot so that point is superfluous anyway.
While we are talking bikes Beemer5. I have bikes, i love bikes. I have a 1999 unrestricted hayabusa, a 2000 MV Agusta F4 750 and i sold a duc 996 last year to fund my new 2005 MV Agusta F4 1000. One of my F4s was signed by Agostini this year on the Isle of Man.Bikes are an equal passion for me as well as cars
You watch some smart arse come out and accuse me of riding them like mopeds LOL! Have you any pictures of ya bikes??
MB: Here are a few shots of Two of my bikes including my ex 996.
You watch some smart arse come out and accuse me of riding them like mopeds LOL! Have you any pictures of ya bikes?? MB: Here are a few shots of Two of my bikes including my ex 996.
Edited by ferrarispider on Sunday 31st December 16:13
Those are some lovely bikes you mention/show, ferrari spider.
The MV 1000 is totally awesome and all the Ducati v-twins from the 916 onwards are pure class.
I had a Ducati 999R for a short while which was a real beast, if a little tough to ride at slow speeds due to a cammy engine and high gearing.
The MV 1000 is totally awesome and all the Ducati v-twins from the 916 onwards are pure class.
I had a Ducati 999R for a short while which was a real beast, if a little tough to ride at slow speeds due to a cammy engine and high gearing.
Getting very off topic now but i know what you mean about twins and fours. I just love the vee-twin feel, which isn't for everyone.
The best bike i ever had on paper was the October 2004 Yamaha R1. It was tuned to have 165bhp*** at the rear wheel and revved to 14,000 rpm. It would do nigh-on 200 mph, reach 60 in around 2.7 seconds, 100 in 5.1 seconds and handled as if it was on rails.
***(Full Akrapovic exhaust system, power commander, k and n filter and ecu re-map).
The best bike i ever had on paper was the October 2004 Yamaha R1. It was tuned to have 165bhp*** at the rear wheel and revved to 14,000 rpm. It would do nigh-on 200 mph, reach 60 in around 2.7 seconds, 100 in 5.1 seconds and handled as if it was on rails.
***(Full Akrapovic exhaust system, power commander, k and n filter and ecu re-map).
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