South Glos speed limits
Discussion
Very pleased, but in truth just 63 people could be bothered out of the hundreds who use the road. There is no wonder South Glos get away with so much when apathy abounds.
I am happy I was wrong that the decision had not been made in this case and sense prevailed. Just the one from Yate to Old Sodbury to wait for and the Cross Hands to Petty France reduction proposal
I am happy I was wrong that the decision had not been made in this case and sense prevailed. Just the one from Yate to Old Sodbury to wait for and the Cross Hands to Petty France reduction proposal
I think we have lost the Yate-Old Sodbury A432 one, I believe they had 15 responses, 10 in support and 5 objections. The scheme was approved, unamended, at a meeting on 20th November. I am amazed that only 5 people could be bothered to object, especially when you consider this scheme included reducing Cotswold Way to one lane in both directions.
If you make it hard to object, as they do this is what you get. I will trade this for not reducing others in the area but I can guarantee that once the population start getting caught by the camera van, which has planned place to park in the scheme,the people will be vocal then.
When they were planning the new homes in Yate, the developers said they would dual carrigway Goose Green way to take the traffic volume, so South Glos can make it along with all the other DC in Yate back to single roads.
When they were planning the new homes in Yate, the developers said they would dual carrigway Goose Green way to take the traffic volume, so South Glos can make it along with all the other DC in Yate back to single roads.
conanius said:
The latest 'fad' I've seen round here is reduce the speed limit and then reduce the effort to maintain the road.
There are lots of ex NSL roads around here that are now 50's, and have chuffing great craters all over the road surface.
I was told by a retired road engineer that the council have a reduced requirement to maintain the roads if the limit is less. It was his opinion that this was the main reason that councils were all running head long to reduce the limits.There are lots of ex NSL roads around here that are now 50's, and have chuffing great craters all over the road surface.
I wrote to the transport minister, who sort of confirmed this, by saying that the councils decide what to do with limits and the level of maintenance they require.
spaximus said:
If you make it hard to object, as they do this is what you get.
With respect, this is bullshyte. It is not hard to object to a speed limit reduction - all you need to do is contact the Council and give them your reasons for objecting.It is certainly difficult to find out when councils are proposing speed limit changes, because the "consultation process" (parenthesis used on purpose) only requires them to publicise the matter in the areas affected by the changes, and to do that essentially by putting notices in the local papers that nobody reads any more and nailing bits of A4 paper to trees along the route.
Personally, although not a Yate & Sodbury resident any more, I find it quite reassuring that the Council have dropped their planned reductions even though so few people responded to the consultation. A real "car hating" council would have said - "population of 100,000 were consulted, 50 said yes, 500 said no, so we'll count the "no responses" as "yes" and the matter has overhelming support amongst the local residents.
That is, after all, what often happens around the UK
rs1952 said:
spaximus said:
If you make it hard to object, as they do this is what you get.
With respect, this is bullshyte. It is not hard to object to a speed limit reduction - all you need to do is contact the Council and give them your reasons for objecting.It is certainly difficult to find out when councils are proposing speed limit changes, because the "consultation process" (parenthesis used on purpose) only requires them to publicise the matter in the areas affected by the changes, and to do that essentially by putting notices in the local papers that nobody reads any more and nailing bits of A4 paper to trees along the route.
Personally, although not a Yate & Sodbury resident any more, I find it quite reassuring that the Council have dropped their planned reductions even though so few people responded to the consultation. A real "car hating" council would have said - "population of 100,000 were consulted, 50 said yes, 500 said no, so we'll count the "no responses" as "yes" and the matter has overhelming support amongst the local residents.
That is, after all, what often happens around the UK
I wished I shared your view this was taken due to objections, but other schemes that had larger objections still went through.
spaximus said:
I had a reply to the objection I posted along with many others. I have replied again as the answers suggest that they have made a decision and that this was all a rubber stamp job. Anyone else who wrote question them again as slowly they are reducing all the NSL around South Glos with very dubious data to give credibility.
I have asked if the accidents were a direct result of speed as they clearly have not answered the question just spouting DFT speak.
Unless we object to these schemes we will be facing not only 20mph in residential areas, which in some cases will be fine, but 30 or 40 mph everywhere else except dual carrigways, which South glos reduce to single lane and then implement this sort of rubbish.
jeff
Dear Sir or Madam
PUBLIC CONSULTATION – A432 COTSWOLD ROAD/KENNEDY WAY/BADMINTON ROAD CASUALTY REDUCTION SCHEME
I am writing to thank you for your correspondence in relation to the proposed casualty reduction scheme on A432 Cotswold Road/Kennedy Way/Badminton Road, Chipping Sodbury & Cotswold Edge.
A number of issues, questions and comments were raised by individuals both in support and objecting to the proposed scheme. I will therefore endeavour to respond to these below:-
The scheme is a waste of money which would be better spent repairing potholes.
The proposed scheme will be funded from a budget specifically provided for Road Safety improvements. The funding has been allocated for this scheme and would not be able to be transferred to use for highway maintenance.
Recent accidents were not as a result of speed therefore reducing the speed limit would not have prevented them.
Due to the number of accidents on the A432 Kennedy Way/Cotswold Road/Badminton Road, the change of the speed limit has been prioritised. Each section has been assessed using Department for Transport (DfT) guidelines to determine the most appropriate speed limit based on accidents, average speeds, length of section and traffic flows. As stated in DfT Circular 01/2013:
“The relationship between speed and likelihood of collision as well as severity of injury is complex, but there is a strong correlation. As a general rule for every 1 mph reduction in average speed, collision frequency reduces by around 5% (Taylor, Lynam and Baruya, 2000). For typical types of road traffic collisions the risk of death for drivers and pedestrians involved reduces with reduced vehicle speeds”
The purpose of the scheme is to reduce the severity and number of future accidents on the A432 from its junction with B4059 Link Road to its junction with Commonmead Lane.
The existing speed limit is being broken, reducing it will have no effect on these drivers.
Unfortunately there will always be a proportion of selfish and irresponsible drivers who contravene speed limits that are unlikely to change their behaviour unless caught and penalised. As part of the scheme it is proposed to introduce a designated parking bay for Police enforcement vehicles. The Council works closely with the Police to ensure that mobile camera enforcement is undertaken within South Gloucestershire and enforcement of the current speed limit has already begun at this location.
The mobile enforcement bay is being introduced to raise revenue.
South Gloucestershire Council makes no financial gain nor are budgeting to make from Speed Awareness Courses or fines issued by Police enforcing speed limits.
This route is barely used by cyclists – why are we giving half of the lane width to them?
The proposed alterations to the road markings are primarily to support the proposed reduction in speed limit. Introducing a cycle lane in the remaining lane width will help to protect cyclists and encourage further people to cycle along this route in the future.
Requests for traffic lights/roundabout at junctions with Heron Way and Hounds Road.
A number of people suggested the introduction of a roundabout or traffic signals at the junctions of Kennedy Way/Heron Way and Cotswold Road/Hounds Road. The funding required to consider such options would be significantly more than that available for the proposed scheme.
Why is the speed limit through Old Sodbury not being reduced as part of this proposal?
The section of A432 Badminton Road that passes through Old Sodbury is currently 40mph. The speed limit along this section is due to be investigated in the 2013/2014 financial year and any change to the speed limit would be dependant on the results of this investigation.
Vehicle Activated signs would be more effective than mobile enforcement. Request for vehicle Activated Signs.
Vehicle Activated Signs are introduced on roads where there is a problem with motorists complying with speed limits. These signs may be considered in the future in this location if it is shown that there are problems with compliance.
The proposed single lane on the eastbound carriageway should start at the roundabout junction with the link road.
The reduction in the east bound carriageway from 2 lanes to 1 does not start at the junction with Link Road to ensure that a stretch of dual carriageway remains to enable the opportunity to overtake slow moving vehicles on the upward gradient section of the road.
The Next Step
Instructions will now be issued to the Council's Legal Team to process and advertise the Traffic Regulation Order required to reduce the speed limit.
This will afford an opportunity to formally object or affirm support for the proposal and details of when and where to send any correspondence will be sent to all those who responded to the initial public consultation.
In addition, copies of the legal notice regarding the proposal will be placed in the Bristol Evening Post Legal Notices Section and attached to street lighting columns in the local area.
Once this part of the process has been completed any objections that are received will be reported to the Planning Transport & Strategic Environment Committee who will consider the issues raised and make the final decision on whether or not the proposals continue as advertised, are modified or are withdrawn.
Yours sincerely
Chris Hodgson
Assistant Engineer
Design and Operations
Streetcare and Transport
Sadly, an elderly couple have now died as a result of this harebrained scheme:I have asked if the accidents were a direct result of speed as they clearly have not answered the question just spouting DFT speak.
Unless we object to these schemes we will be facing not only 20mph in residential areas, which in some cases will be fine, but 30 or 40 mph everywhere else except dual carrigways, which South glos reduce to single lane and then implement this sort of rubbish.
jeff
Dear Sir or Madam
PUBLIC CONSULTATION – A432 COTSWOLD ROAD/KENNEDY WAY/BADMINTON ROAD CASUALTY REDUCTION SCHEME
I am writing to thank you for your correspondence in relation to the proposed casualty reduction scheme on A432 Cotswold Road/Kennedy Way/Badminton Road, Chipping Sodbury & Cotswold Edge.
A number of issues, questions and comments were raised by individuals both in support and objecting to the proposed scheme. I will therefore endeavour to respond to these below:-
The scheme is a waste of money which would be better spent repairing potholes.
The proposed scheme will be funded from a budget specifically provided for Road Safety improvements. The funding has been allocated for this scheme and would not be able to be transferred to use for highway maintenance.
Recent accidents were not as a result of speed therefore reducing the speed limit would not have prevented them.
Due to the number of accidents on the A432 Kennedy Way/Cotswold Road/Badminton Road, the change of the speed limit has been prioritised. Each section has been assessed using Department for Transport (DfT) guidelines to determine the most appropriate speed limit based on accidents, average speeds, length of section and traffic flows. As stated in DfT Circular 01/2013:
“The relationship between speed and likelihood of collision as well as severity of injury is complex, but there is a strong correlation. As a general rule for every 1 mph reduction in average speed, collision frequency reduces by around 5% (Taylor, Lynam and Baruya, 2000). For typical types of road traffic collisions the risk of death for drivers and pedestrians involved reduces with reduced vehicle speeds”
The purpose of the scheme is to reduce the severity and number of future accidents on the A432 from its junction with B4059 Link Road to its junction with Commonmead Lane.
The existing speed limit is being broken, reducing it will have no effect on these drivers.
Unfortunately there will always be a proportion of selfish and irresponsible drivers who contravene speed limits that are unlikely to change their behaviour unless caught and penalised. As part of the scheme it is proposed to introduce a designated parking bay for Police enforcement vehicles. The Council works closely with the Police to ensure that mobile camera enforcement is undertaken within South Gloucestershire and enforcement of the current speed limit has already begun at this location.
The mobile enforcement bay is being introduced to raise revenue.
South Gloucestershire Council makes no financial gain nor are budgeting to make from Speed Awareness Courses or fines issued by Police enforcing speed limits.
This route is barely used by cyclists – why are we giving half of the lane width to them?
The proposed alterations to the road markings are primarily to support the proposed reduction in speed limit. Introducing a cycle lane in the remaining lane width will help to protect cyclists and encourage further people to cycle along this route in the future.
Requests for traffic lights/roundabout at junctions with Heron Way and Hounds Road.
A number of people suggested the introduction of a roundabout or traffic signals at the junctions of Kennedy Way/Heron Way and Cotswold Road/Hounds Road. The funding required to consider such options would be significantly more than that available for the proposed scheme.
Why is the speed limit through Old Sodbury not being reduced as part of this proposal?
The section of A432 Badminton Road that passes through Old Sodbury is currently 40mph. The speed limit along this section is due to be investigated in the 2013/2014 financial year and any change to the speed limit would be dependant on the results of this investigation.
Vehicle Activated signs would be more effective than mobile enforcement. Request for vehicle Activated Signs.
Vehicle Activated Signs are introduced on roads where there is a problem with motorists complying with speed limits. These signs may be considered in the future in this location if it is shown that there are problems with compliance.
The proposed single lane on the eastbound carriageway should start at the roundabout junction with the link road.
The reduction in the east bound carriageway from 2 lanes to 1 does not start at the junction with Link Road to ensure that a stretch of dual carriageway remains to enable the opportunity to overtake slow moving vehicles on the upward gradient section of the road.
The Next Step
Instructions will now be issued to the Council's Legal Team to process and advertise the Traffic Regulation Order required to reduce the speed limit.
This will afford an opportunity to formally object or affirm support for the proposal and details of when and where to send any correspondence will be sent to all those who responded to the initial public consultation.
In addition, copies of the legal notice regarding the proposal will be placed in the Bristol Evening Post Legal Notices Section and attached to street lighting columns in the local area.
Once this part of the process has been completed any objections that are received will be reported to the Planning Transport & Strategic Environment Committee who will consider the issues raised and make the final decision on whether or not the proposals continue as advertised, are modified or are withdrawn.
Yours sincerely
Chris Hodgson
Assistant Engineer
Design and Operations
Streetcare and Transport
News report here
Not only did they reduce the carriageway to one lane, but they turned what was the inside lane into a bicycle lane, as well as turning the former filter lane into a parking place for scamera vans.
Now, people turning out of Hounds road have to pull out right over the bicycle lane, and directly into what was previously the outside lane, besides anything else, leaving oncoming traffic no space to swerve out if something does happen.
In short, they made the road more dangerous, in some vain attempt to slow people down, and now people have died.
They have blood on their hands!
Whilst it's a tragic accident there is plenty of distance, ~200m from Hounds round to the brow of the hill on the A432 from which you'd be able to see vehicles approaching.
I don't think blame can be apportioned to the 'harebrained' scheme, more likely the car has misjudged the speed and or distance of the approaching vehicle.
They have successfully made a confusing road layout there though, you get the inevitable late merger from the Yate direction where it filters down to 2 lanes and then when it splits to two lanes at the roundabout you get people in the wrong lane.
I don't think blame can be apportioned to the 'harebrained' scheme, more likely the car has misjudged the speed and or distance of the approaching vehicle.
They have successfully made a confusing road layout there though, you get the inevitable late merger from the Yate direction where it filters down to 2 lanes and then when it splits to two lanes at the roundabout you get people in the wrong lane.
Clearly I don't know the details, but would guess it's a case of one or both of the drivers either not looking or misjudgement. The fatal collision on the same stretch a few years ago was down to one car racing another IIRC.
Has the lane and speed restriction or extra white paint achieved anything?
Most drivers who drive too fast ignore speed limits, whether it's NSL, 50 or 40 - I just don't understand why it's a 'good idea' to restrict the limit for those who driver properly when it's the selfish, thoughtless drivers who are way more likely to cause an incident.
Any amount of signage and paint won't change them. Drivers need to be observant and concentrate.
Has the lane and speed restriction or extra white paint achieved anything?
Most drivers who drive too fast ignore speed limits, whether it's NSL, 50 or 40 - I just don't understand why it's a 'good idea' to restrict the limit for those who driver properly when it's the selfish, thoughtless drivers who are way more likely to cause an incident.
Any amount of signage and paint won't change them. Drivers need to be observant and concentrate.
Whilst I can see the reasons of reducing the speed limit near schools and in built up residential areas, I can see no reason whatsoever in reducing the speed limits any further on major roads where a 40 mph limit is already in place. A car travelling at lower speeds along a distance is not economical for the driver or green for the environment (more fossil fuels burnt by the vehicle having to stay in a lower gear).
Come on Council, start using your resources more sensibly. Repair the potholes in the roads for a start.
Come on Council, start using your resources more sensibly. Repair the potholes in the roads for a start.
I grew up very close to there, back in the early 70's it was dual carriageway the full length from Yate to the roundabout at the far end of Sodbury. Everyone used to drive at 70 and fatalities were common place. People will continue to die on this and other roads, speed is sometimes a factor but it is easier to legislate against than stupidity.
Missed this one: https://consultations.southglos.gov.uk/gf2.ti/f/50...
They sure don't make these things easy to find in the first place!
They sure don't make these things easy to find in the first place!
Sir Nick said:
Missed this one: https://consultations.southglos.gov.uk/gf2.ti/f/50...
They sure don't make these things easy to find in the first place!
I objected to that one when the consultation was first on the road side. The reason is there has been a few minor accidents by the Farm shop at the far end near Winterbourne, so they used those stats to justify reducing the whole road. They sure don't make these things easy to find in the first place!
This was supported by the local parish council. There was none of the accidents that were reported were down to excess speed from what I could find but it is another road that has gone from NSL to now 40mph in a few years.
South Glos will not be satisfied until all roads are 30mph and we are all so pissed off that buses become popular
LordGrover said:
Short of stopping to check at every lamppost/telegraph pole for notices, is there a way to object and argue about the rights & wrongs of speed limit reductions in general?
In this region it is becoming a plague.
I now get an email notification for all transport related consultations, however, With the exception of the road between Chipping Sodbury and Wickwar, every scheme proposed has gone forward despite objections. They seem to take the view that if people don't object they are in favour of the scheme.In this region it is becoming a plague.
You only have to look at replies to enquiries that they do not give full facts, ignore questions or at best answer with generic sound bites. The usual is to quote experts who state the obvious that higher impact speeds can cause higher injuries, when accidents have taken place with no indication as to if excess speed was a prime cause.
When the police advise is that it is unwise, unenforceable and they still go ahead you know you are up against a system that is stacked against common sense
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