Anyone already p***ed off with the 20 MPH limit in Bristol
Discussion
Djtemeka said:
I average between 9 and 11mph over a 450mile range tank in London. Stop complaining.
Not in most of the parts of London (and when) I drive in......much much more than that.The trouble with Bristol is the blanket coverage of areas without allowing traffic flow on suitable roads. This is NOT the case in London.
AT low peak times traffic can flow very well in London at various speeds, this is being curtailed by the 20mph zones in Bristol across ALL times.
Whatever the compromise, the effect is turning people off business in Bristol....that said IF the plan is to have a high tech, sudo "Oxford", Super Green cycle based city.....that red trouser'd idiot is doing a decent job in clearing out the "other and old" businesses. (the ones paying for some of this crap btw)
Djtemeka said:
I average between 9 and 11mph over a 450mile range tank in London. Stop complaining.
What has that got to do with the 20mph limits in Bristol? Are we supposed to feel sorry for you? We don't want to end up like London (too late maybe) so we WILL complain!Read the thread title, it's kind of all about complaining don't you think?
Why don't you start an 'I'm really happy with my slow crappy average speed throughout London' thread?? Then you can all be jolly and cheerful about it together IN LONDON, this is Bristol we are talking about!!
Because in some 3rd world cities they have to crap in the street does that mean we should not complain when our sewers get blocked or overflow? Or not complain about bad roads cos they only have dirt tracks in outer Mongolia???
Not relevant is the message!!!!
Edited by FuryCossieSteve on Friday 25th September 11:45
FuryCossieSteve said:
Djtemeka said:
I average between 9 and 11mph over a 450mile range tank in London. Stop complaining.
What has that got to do with the 20mph limits in Bristol? Are we supposed to feel sorry for you? We don't want to end up like London (too late maybe) so we WILL complain!I don't have to drive in London so like above what the hell has that got to to with Bristol and a 20 limit there?
This is a public forum. I'm not complaining But expressing my views.
Like you have but strange your view has nothing to do with this thread
So back on topic.
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gareth_r said:
Just a heads up.
BRISTOL POST
Bristol driver booked for breaking 20mph speed limit twice in two minutes
http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Bristol-driver-booked...
Pity they don't tackle litter louts as well. BRISTOL POST
Bristol driver booked for breaking 20mph speed limit twice in two minutes
http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Bristol-driver-booked...
RemaL said:
FuryCossieSteve said:
RemaL said:
The 20 limit is pretty much the whole of bristol apart from a few main roads
it's not about the fact we have a new 20 limit but how it has been rolled out. IE in a stupid way. your on a long straight wide road. 20 limit. 200 yards before lights it then becomes a 30 limit!!!
Around small residential areas and schools, hospitals that's fine by me but turning my local main road, the Kingsway to a 20 is just stupid.
large wide road. Big grass verge on a lot of the road. No deaths on there in the 20 years i've been living and using the road daily.
You will be 20mph for a mile, then 30 for 400 yards, then 20 then back up to 30 for a set of lights then back to 20.
So it's more about how and where they have been introduced than the fact we have them at all
Sounds suspiciously like revenue producing 'speed traps' to me!!it's not about the fact we have a new 20 limit but how it has been rolled out. IE in a stupid way. your on a long straight wide road. 20 limit. 200 yards before lights it then becomes a 30 limit!!!
Around small residential areas and schools, hospitals that's fine by me but turning my local main road, the Kingsway to a 20 is just stupid.
large wide road. Big grass verge on a lot of the road. No deaths on there in the 20 years i've been living and using the road daily.
You will be 20mph for a mile, then 30 for 400 yards, then 20 then back up to 30 for a set of lights then back to 20.
So it's more about how and where they have been introduced than the fact we have them at all
Strange that we think the same.
GloverMart said:
RemaL said:
FuryCossieSteve said:
RemaL said:
The 20 limit is pretty much the whole of bristol apart from a few main roads
it's not about the fact we have a new 20 limit but how it has been rolled out. IE in a stupid way. your on a long straight wide road. 20 limit. 200 yards before lights it then becomes a 30 limit!!!
Around small residential areas and schools, hospitals that's fine by me but turning my local main road, the Kingsway to a 20 is just stupid.
large wide road. Big grass verge on a lot of the road. No deaths on there in the 20 years i've been living and using the road daily.
You will be 20mph for a mile, then 30 for 400 yards, then 20 then back up to 30 for a set of lights then back to 20.
So it's more about how and where they have been introduced than the fact we have them at all
Sounds suspiciously like revenue producing 'speed traps' to me!!it's not about the fact we have a new 20 limit but how it has been rolled out. IE in a stupid way. your on a long straight wide road. 20 limit. 200 yards before lights it then becomes a 30 limit!!!
Around small residential areas and schools, hospitals that's fine by me but turning my local main road, the Kingsway to a 20 is just stupid.
large wide road. Big grass verge on a lot of the road. No deaths on there in the 20 years i've been living and using the road daily.
You will be 20mph for a mile, then 30 for 400 yards, then 20 then back up to 30 for a set of lights then back to 20.
So it's more about how and where they have been introduced than the fact we have them at all
Strange that we think the same.
Never mind 20mph , why is the portway @30mph ...don't say because of the park & ride as I see those buses come out of there on two wheels at times. Its just baiting people to go over & click..I cannot wait for this imbecile to be outed from this nonsensical office, a complete waste of time & OUR money imo.
FuryCossieSteve said:
Well the city won't spend all that money for no return, it is NOT out of the goodness of there hearts no matter what they tell us. It is yet another revenue stream for the city, plain and simple.
It would be, apart from the small fact that income from speeding fines has gone directly to central govt for the last decade, and the local authority or Safety Camera partnership don't see a penny of it.DevonPaul said:
FuryCossieSteve said:
Well the city won't spend all that money for no return, it is NOT out of the goodness of there hearts no matter what they tell us. It is yet another revenue stream for the city, plain and simple.
It would be, apart from the small fact that income from speeding fines has gone directly to central govt for the last decade, and the local authority or Safety Camera partnership don't see a penny of it.A fine goes to the treasury but any course for driving offences of any kind is split between everyone. The police get £35 bounty for each driver caught. Pity they do not extend that to burglars.
To clarify, as far as monies from fines are concerned, either as a result of a Fixed Penalty Notices or a fine given by the court, all of this goes to the treasury. If someone is eligible and elects to go on an awareness course instead of the fine and penalty points, then £35 per attendee is given to Avon and Somerset Police and £5 is retained by ‘NDORS’ (the national team who maintain the national database, complete research and create new courses).
Currently, the money from the speed awareness course is used to self-fund the speed enforcement unit, which includes all staff, equipment, vehicles and camera maintenance. Surplus money is also fed into the Road Safety Fund, where members of the public can apply for grants to assist in road safety initiatives. All money received by the Constabulary from the courses must be used for road safety.
During discussions with Bristol City Council, the Police have agreed that with the static cameras the Constabulary will charge the local authority £7 per detection (this is purely to cover police expenses), which will be taken from the money generated from the speed awareness courses. All surplus will be go to the local authority to maintain the cameras. However, this only effects detection from static cameras - mobile enforcement will remain solely a police responsibility.
Foggy748 said:
I used to be a regular visitor to Bristol at weekends but now, owing to so many cameras and limits everywhere, I simply cannot be bothered with it. If that's the Mayors aim, to drive people and trade away then well done! You're achieving your aim. I'll spend my money elsewhere.
Bath is better by 100% anywayDevonPaul said:
FuryCossieSteve said:
Well the city won't spend all that money for no return, it is NOT out of the goodness of there hearts no matter what they tell us. It is yet another revenue stream for the city, plain and simple.
It would be, apart from the small fact that income from speeding fines has gone directly to central govt for the last decade, and the local authority or Safety Camera partnership don't see a penny of it.DevonPaul said:
FuryCossieSteve said:
Well the city won't spend all that money for no return, it is NOT out of the goodness of there hearts no matter what they tell us. It is yet another revenue stream for the city, plain and simple.
It would be, apart from the small fact that income from speeding fines has gone directly to central govt for the last decade, and the local authority or Safety Camera partnership don't see a penny of it.spaximus said:
DevonPaul said:
FuryCossieSteve said:
Well the city won't spend all that money for no return, it is NOT out of the goodness of there hearts no matter what they tell us. It is yet another revenue stream for the city, plain and simple.
It would be, apart from the small fact that income from speeding fines has gone directly to central govt for the last decade, and the local authority or Safety Camera partnership don't see a penny of it.A fine goes to the treasury but any course for driving offences of any kind is split between everyone. The police get £35 bounty for each driver caught. Pity they do not extend that to burglars.
To clarify, as far as monies from fines are concerned, either as a result of a Fixed Penalty Notices or a fine given by the court, all of this goes to the treasury. If someone is eligible and elects to go on an awareness course instead of the fine and penalty points, then £35 per attendee is given to Avon and Somerset Police and £5 is retained by ‘NDORS’ (the national team who maintain the national database, complete research and create new courses).
Currently, the money from the speed awareness course is used to self-fund the speed enforcement unit, which includes all staff, equipment, vehicles and camera maintenance. Surplus money is also fed into the Road Safety Fund, where members of the public can apply for grants to assist in road safety initiatives. All money received by the Constabulary from the courses must be used for road safety.
During discussions with Bristol City Council, the Police have agreed that with the static cameras the Constabulary will charge the local authority £7 per detection (this is purely to cover police expenses), which will be taken from the money generated from the speed awareness courses. All surplus will be go to the local authority to maintain the cameras. However, this only effects detection from static cameras - mobile enforcement will remain solely a police responsibility.
Stickyfinger said:
Foggy748 said:
I used to be a regular visitor to Bristol at weekends but now, owing to so many cameras and limits everywhere, I simply cannot be bothered with it. If that's the Mayors aim, to drive people and trade away then well done! You're achieving your aim. I'll spend my money elsewhere.
Bath is better by 100% anywayspaximus said:
DevonPaul said:
FuryCossieSteve said:
Well the city won't spend all that money for no return, it is NOT out of the goodness of there hearts no matter what they tell us. It is yet another revenue stream for the city, plain and simple.
It would be, apart from the small fact that income from speeding fines has gone directly to central govt for the last decade, and the local authority or Safety Camera partnership don't see a penny of it.A fine goes to the treasury but any course for driving offences of any kind is split between everyone. The police get £35 bounty for each driver caught. Pity they do not extend that to burglars.
To clarify, as far as monies from fines are concerned, either as a result of a Fixed Penalty Notices or a fine given by the court, all of this goes to the treasury. If someone is eligible and elects to go on an awareness course instead of the fine and penalty points, then £35 per attendee is given to Avon and Somerset Police and £5 is retained by ‘NDORS’ (the national team who maintain the national database, complete research and create new courses).
Currently, the money from the speed awareness course is used to self-fund the speed enforcement unit, which includes all staff, equipment, vehicles and camera maintenance. Surplus money is also fed into the Road Safety Fund, where members of the public can apply for grants to assist in road safety initiatives. All money received by the Constabulary from the courses must be used for road safety.
During discussions with Bristol City Council, the Police have agreed that with the static cameras the Constabulary will charge the local authority £7 per detection (this is purely to cover police expenses), which will be taken from the money generated from the speed awareness courses. All surplus will be go to the local authority to maintain the cameras. However, this only effects detection from static cameras - mobile enforcement will remain solely a police responsibility.
You say "To clarify, as far as monies from fines are concerned, either as a result of a Fixed Penalty Notices or a fine given by the court, all of this goes to the treasury".
Which is pretty much exactly the same as I said.
The police even topslice £7 for every fixed camera detection they process. The last paragraph of her letter is a bit ambiguous, as it suggests fixed camera fines go to the City. But they don't - she says this clearly at the start.
SOME of the course money (if there is any left over after paying for the camera partnership) can go to the City, but unless they are getting over 10,000 customers a year then there won't be a surplus.
DevonPaul said:
I said "income from speeding fines has gone directly to central govt for the last decade" to refute the suggestion it was a revenue stream for the City (by which I assume they meant the council).
You say "To clarify, as far as monies from fines are concerned, either as a result of a Fixed Penalty Notices or a fine given by the court, all of this goes to the treasury".
Which is pretty much exactly the same as I said.
The police even topslice £7 for every fixed camera detection they process. The last paragraph of her letter is a bit ambiguous, as it suggests fixed camera fines go to the City. But they don't - she says this clearly at the start.
SOME of the course money (if there is any left over after paying for the camera partnership) can go to the City, but unless they are getting over 10,000 customers a year then there won't be a surplus.
But it is a direct revenue stream for several organisations one of which is the council. At the same time that the cameras were switched back on, after there having been no increase in accidents whilst they were switched off, they also altered the type of offence that you could be offered a course for.You say "To clarify, as far as monies from fines are concerned, either as a result of a Fixed Penalty Notices or a fine given by the court, all of this goes to the treasury".
Which is pretty much exactly the same as I said.
The police even topslice £7 for every fixed camera detection they process. The last paragraph of her letter is a bit ambiguous, as it suggests fixed camera fines go to the City. But they don't - she says this clearly at the start.
SOME of the course money (if there is any left over after paying for the camera partnership) can go to the City, but unless they are getting over 10,000 customers a year then there won't be a surplus.
So the speed at which you could attend a course has been lowered and also the upper limited increased, to take in more offenders. They have also added seat belt, phone use and many other offences where the money went to the treasury previously by moving the criteria this is now split between those I listed.
Sue Mountstevens was clear that these cameras being switched back on would be self financing and indeed would produce a surplus to be used for road safety matters.
The fixed camera income does go to the treasury if the threshold at which a course is offered is exceeded just the same as mobile cameras do.
Bristol Post takes to the 20mph limit roads of Bristol armed with a speed gun and conclude 9 out of 10 drivers dont stick to the 20 limit...including Bristol Council vehicles and Police cars.
http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/10-Bristol-drivers-br...
http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/10-Bristol-drivers-br...
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