Anyone already p***ed off with the 20 MPH limit in Bristol

[RemaL]

Not really a surprise really. it's difficult enough to keep below 25 most of the time. And doing any less often means your getting overtaken bike pedal bikes

[bristolracer]

I love all the current Green agenda nonsense

So make everyone drive at 20,so most will now drive around in third gear at say 4000 rpm instead of 5th at say 2500 rpm
And as there are now traffic lights every 20 yards in Bristol,half the cars are just sat there spewing out fumes.
Apparently the air quality is so bad, the red trousered knob is considering a LEZ for Bristol

way to go George, keep it coming, wont be long before you have driven all business out of the city.

[Blanchimont]

bristolracer said:

I love all the current Green agenda nonsense

So make everyone drive at 20,so most will now drive around in third gear at say 4000 rpm instead of 5th at say 2500 rpm
And as there are now traffic lights every 20 yards in Bristol,half the cars are just sat there spewing out fumes.
Apparently the air quality is so bad, the red trousered knob is considering a LEZ for Bristol

way to go George, keep it coming, wont be long before you have driven all business out of the city.

I would rather drive from south Bristol to Cribbs than I would go to town, even though its 5-6 miles further away. It's easier to park, has most (if not all) of what I want there and the drive is more relaxed as generally there's less traffic to contend with.

[Vipers]

bristolracer said:

I love all the current Green agenda nonsense

So make everyone drive at 20,so most will now drive around in third gear at say 4000 rpm

Most should change gear, 4000 rpm

Personally not bothered, been in force in Aberdeen for a while now, but I do think they should educate the pedestrians, how I don't know.

[Stickyfinger]

Ferguson is just retarded

[DoubleSix]

Just been done by the mobile scamera on Ladies Mile. (20mph zone)

Came through as an SP30 though..,

[0000]

Nearly three times as many people die in Bristol from traffic fumes as fatal road accidents.

http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Nearly-times-people-d...

[RemaL]

0000 said:

Nearly three times as many people die in Bristol from traffic fumes as fatal road accidents.

http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Nearly-times-people-d...

FFS now the tt will probably introduce a congestion zone and push more people and business away

[Blanchimont]

When the buses become a reliable alternative to driving I may consider coming out of my car. But 1 bus every 45 minutes, that in itself rarely turns up, I will rather drive my car and get there in the time it's taken me to wait for a bus.

[rs1952]

Blanchimont said:

When the buses become a reliable alternative to driving I may consider coming out of my car. But 1 bus every 45 minutes, that in itself rarely turns up, I will rather drive my car and get there in the time it's taken me to wait for a bus.

Since I got a bus pass 18 months ago I have spent more time on buses than I have in the last 50 years. My observation is that First Bus's ability to run most of its services on time is virtually non-existent.

Ironically, if timekeeping was so bad on the railway the Evening Post would be shouting about it from the rooftops, but for some reason it's not news if its a late bus?

Alternatively, I find that you can often set your watch by Stagecoach buses running in Wiltshire and Gloucestershire.

[spaximus]

The council has an agenda, regardless of facts they will push it. Brake were unlikely to say anything different, they just have the section used ready to respond to a question. On purely residential roads, not arterial trunk roads, then perhaps there is a place but other than that it is lunacy.

And so far the candidates to replace red pants are seemingly just as nutty. Just imagine if he is elected again how he will see that as vindication to ramp up the car hatred.

[Crosswise]

I grew up in Bristol and I've lived there almost all my life, I've seen it improve dramatically from the riots and crime of the 80s to the investment and redevelopment that led to it becoming a modern and cultured city which was a great place to live and it made me proud to call it my home. However, since the election of George Ferguson that is simply not my opinion anymore. It upsets me greatly to see one man destroy a city more than any other single challenge it has faced in it's past.

I left Bristol in November 2012 and I've been back twice since. For me, the effect this man has had on my city is emphasised greatly by the time I have been away, I did not get to witness it slowly degenerate at an almost imperceivable rate like many of the residents have, it came as a massive shock to me when things had seemed so positive just a couple of years before. We need to be mindful of just how easy it is to trivialise the issue, and this being just another case of motorists thinking everything should be done to suit them. It is almost impossible to emphasise enough just how much of an impact a 20mph limit and a residents parking scheme can have on a city, I simply can not put into words how ludicrous and misguided this scheme is. It is no surprise that businesses are being driven out of the city. Yes, Bristol had a traffic problem and something needed to be done, but what we've got is no affordable, reliable public transport options, bus lanes that only restrict traffic flow and benefit no one, badly thought out, misplaced and dangerous cycle lanes and speed limits so ridiculous it makes driving near intolerable, motorists feel victimised and takes business out of the city. It's not just the 20mph limits either, we must have the only motorway in the country with a 40mph speed limit, it's just so unnecessary and simply has nothing to do with safety. I have no intention of driving irresponsibly and running down children and cyclists as George Ferguson seems to think everyone who drives a car in Bristol wants to. It's called a speed limit because it is just that, if 30mph isn't safe in one particular area then drivers should be taught to have the initiative and common sense to drive at the appropriate speed for the conditions. putting a ludicrous blanket limit of 20mph in place removes any need for drivers to use these skills and instead means everyone is focussed on staying exactly at the limit, because keeping to a limit that is so inappropriately low takes a lot of concentration away from the things going on around us that we should be looking at.

Anyway, I think I've made my decision, I can't see myself coming back to Bristol unless things change. It upsets me to come to this realisation and I hate that George has won in this respect, but we just simply don't seem to have the option of using popular opinion or common sense to appeal to this man. It's very sad that one persons extreme ignorance and single mindedness can have this effect on people, it is surely something that capitalism by it's very nature should prevent, which would have to lead me to conclude that Bristol is now a dictatorship.

[juice]

Crosswise said:

It upsets me to come to this realisation and I hate that George has won in this respect, but we just simply don't seem to have the option of using popular opinion or common sense to appeal to this man.

He wouldn't listen anyway. He honestly believes he's on the side of right with all of these schemes and any detractors simply need 'educating'. The

[Vipers]

rs1952 said:

Since I got a bus pass 18 months ago I have spent more time on buses than I have in the last 50 years. My observation is that First Bus's ability to run most of its services on time is virtually non-existent.

Ironically, if timekeeping was so bad on the railway the Evening Post would be shouting about it from the rooftops, but for some reason it's not news if its a late bus?

Alternatively, I find that you can often set your watch by Stagecoach buses running in Wiltshire and Gloucestershire.

Although your right about the bus punctuality, does it matter. Aberdeen spent a million on a satellite system which seems to be fitted to all bus stops in town to tell you "No3 will be here in 6 minutes", big fekking deal, I have time to reorganise my day.

[juice]

Apt timing

http://www.bristolpost.co.uk/Driven-away-George-Fe...

"Mr Ferguson told the Post that his next priority would be to look at low emission zones, where heavily polluting diesel vehicles are either banned or have to pay entry charges."

Mr Ferguson said the change was "for the greater good".

reminds me of this...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yUpbOliTHJY

[bristolracer]

Sadly i can only see the red trousered idiot being re elected.
There are no credible alternate candidates.

His next goal is a LEZ,firstly for central Bristol and then to expand it. He was banging on about it on the TV the other day. This will be another tax on tradesmen who will have to scrap or sell for peanuts older vans/lorries.

Another sneaky trick i noticed the other week was the parking charges in Clifton village now run until 9pm,so that will kill some of the casual early evening visitors to the pubs and restaurants. I wont be going up there again,i'll go to somewhere with free parking.

The bloke is determined to drive all traffic out,what he is not seeing is the effect on business.
The centre is fast becoming a Student dormitory,what were once economically productive offices have now become massive student lets.Any new offices built stand empty,no point in locating here if your staff cant get to work.

As for the new Metrolink thing,which we all have to face huge disruption for, the operator has turned around and reduced the amount of buses per hour from 5 down to 3. £45 million pounds for 3 buses an hour? is that value for money?

He wanted to build the new arena with NO parking at all,saying public transport would do it all.He clearly doesn't realize that theres sweet F all public transport after 10pm not much use for a big gig is it?

Ive had enough now, this year i'm selling up and moving out,This city will be worse than Oxford in 5 years time.

[RVVUNM]

Thankfully I live on the outskirts of Bristol in South Glos council. I used to visit central Bristol regularly but since the 20mph and limited parking I don't bother. In one way George (tt) red trousers has won by keeping my car out but unfortunately my money stays away too. Well done George.

Edited by RVVUNM on Friday 29th January 08:38

[Stickyfinger]

He is a classic example of how/what happens when this class of social elite (he thinks) who has zero appreciation of real life gets into power in a city.............

"Bristols Own Good"....the locals are welcome to him, after all they voted for the tt so they got what they wished for, the rest of us can just go to Bath anyway (which is 100% nicer to visit anyway)

[spaximus]

In the article he has confirmed his hatred of cars and that by design they have made the City a no go area for cars.

If I ran any business other than cycles, I would move it because sooner or later he will put the city in decline, but it will all be for the greater good.

[Allanv]

Stickyfinger said:

He is a classic example of how/what happens when this class of social elite (he thinks) who has zero appreciation of real life gets into power in a city.............

"Bristols Own Good"....the locals are welcome to him, after all they voted for the tt so they got what they wished for, the rest of us can just go to Bath anyway (which is 100% nicer to visit anyway)

See the bold above, we did not vote for him because we never got the voting papers in Bris and I have since found a lot of places did not. Only the ones closest to the centre and the ones which got the RPZ etc.

It is a farce. And so is he.

Edited by Allanv on Thursday 28th January 20:29