Anyone already p***ed off with the 20 MPH limit in Bristol
Discussion
carreauchompeur said:
To be fair, the 40 limit is because the barrier is apparently shagged. Wouldn't be surprised to see it become permanent though.
I was pleased to see the Safety Camera Partnership out at 7.30 on Saturday morning policing the dangerous inbound stretch of Feeder Road though. Great work- picking the only time when you'd manage to exceed 30 and the least dangerous time of week for that road.
Would make you think the camera was only there to make money. I was pleased to see the Safety Camera Partnership out at 7.30 on Saturday morning policing the dangerous inbound stretch of Feeder Road though. Great work- picking the only time when you'd manage to exceed 30 and the least dangerous time of week for that road.
Much like reducing a road to 20MPH, still having flashing 30MPH signs up and putting a mobile speed camera on that road.
So what speed is it on that road? Not fukcing idea
carreauchompeur said:
How dare you suggest it's not safety related!
What's that road you speak of?
Kingsway in St George which is now a 20MPH. Difficult to do under 30 and thats most of the elderly local who keep telling me that What's that road you speak of?
https://goo.gl/maps/w6CNP
They will hide between cars so they can view just over the top of them. Sneeky
s I watched a couple of the videos on the 20mph website.
Firstly, why did that man do an exaggerated "lean back as the car passes" as if he's going to be sucked into it's slipstream? And if you can't mentally process a car approaching at 30mph and time your crossing appropriately I think you probably shouldn't be crossing the road without holding someone's hand anyway.
Secondly, the white van in the "Whiteladies road" video nicely shows a point that the 20mph limit doesn't address. That is to say, he was being a knobend. Ironically he was in the "20mph" half of the video as well.
I also noticed at least one bus about to pull out on the camera car, presumably because he thought it was slow enough to get in front of, and despite the fact that it says "there really isn't much difference" the only reason there isn't much difference at the end is because there were different traffic conditions between both halves of the video! All they've shown us there is that your journey time will be traffic dependant, which I knew already.
TL;DR: Daft website videos are daft.
Firstly, why did that man do an exaggerated "lean back as the car passes" as if he's going to be sucked into it's slipstream? And if you can't mentally process a car approaching at 30mph and time your crossing appropriately I think you probably shouldn't be crossing the road without holding someone's hand anyway.
Secondly, the white van in the "Whiteladies road" video nicely shows a point that the 20mph limit doesn't address. That is to say, he was being a knobend. Ironically he was in the "20mph" half of the video as well.
I also noticed at least one bus about to pull out on the camera car, presumably because he thought it was slow enough to get in front of, and despite the fact that it says "there really isn't much difference" the only reason there isn't much difference at the end is because there were different traffic conditions between both halves of the video! All they've shown us there is that your journey time will be traffic dependant, which I knew already.
TL;DR: Daft website videos are daft.
Well we all know that this 20MPH will result in 2 possible ways. People will still get injured and killed on our roads. Will this mean that 20MPH is still to fast or people are knobends and take little care when crossing roads etc.. Which they are. Or Ferguson will be removed from office and 20MPH will stay but only on small side roads by homes and not major roads.
Either way I feel many more people will be caught for speeding and when people are injured/killed on the roads more anti car groups will say it's a result of speeding
Either way I feel many more people will be caught for speeding and when people are injured/killed on the roads more anti car groups will say it's a result of speeding
Although this thread will mostly be read by people local to the area I just want to add something for readers elsewhere.
The Bristol mayor who introduced the lower speed limits is a keen cyclist (nothing wrong with that IMHO) but is also openly anti car.
The 20 mph speed limits might have been a good idea in front of schools or elderly persons homes but have appeared in odd places IMHO. What annoys me is that the mayor was caught speeding in Bristol and shrugged it off as not important as he was late for something! Surely that's when cars are at their most dangerous.
Add to that the fact he has introduced a raft of parking restrictions and the council now charge many residents up to £90 per year to park outside of their own homes, or his turning back on of speed cameras despite there being no rise in accidents while they were turned off and we have a mayor that is already costing Bristol several millions in lost revenue both in lost tourism and businesses relocating elsewhere.
The Bristol mayor who introduced the lower speed limits is a keen cyclist (nothing wrong with that IMHO) but is also openly anti car.
The 20 mph speed limits might have been a good idea in front of schools or elderly persons homes but have appeared in odd places IMHO. What annoys me is that the mayor was caught speeding in Bristol and shrugged it off as not important as he was late for something! Surely that's when cars are at their most dangerous.
Add to that the fact he has introduced a raft of parking restrictions and the council now charge many residents up to £90 per year to park outside of their own homes, or his turning back on of speed cameras despite there being no rise in accidents while they were turned off and we have a mayor that is already costing Bristol several millions in lost revenue both in lost tourism and businesses relocating elsewhere.
gcpeters said:
1) no one obeys it...
Exactly. On my observations not the police, not the buses. (Have they changed their timetables to reflect the reduce speeds? I suspect not, based on the way they quite safely charge about.) Certainly not couriers or other vans who are actually trying to do business here. George Ferguson is an absolute cock shuffling moron.
the 20mph limit around schools, built up areas and so on I can understand and can respect, but on wide, open roads (duckmoor road an example) https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Duckmoor+Rd,+B...
It's 20. Yet it's wide enough for cars parked on the side and 5+ ft to your car and still work well. It flowed much better at 30 than it does 20, and now you get 2 kinds of people. Those who ignore it, do 35-40 down it, and then then meet the other type of person, who fastidiously adheres to the 20 limit. Both get annoyed at eachother because the limit is ridiculous and worked better then it was 30 as driver behind slowed to 30 and though, "limits the limit, they're doing it" and driver 2 didn't have people tailgating him because he's doing 30 on a road that is suitable for it.
Raah!
He's a knob, who can't see beyond trying to get money and stop people taking their cars when most of us actually need them, and if instead he spent the money he's paying to lower the limit on making the bus service err... work then more people would be persuaded out of their cars into the buses if they were clean, efficient and had drivers that didn't look like they wanted to stab everyone who came on.
the 20mph limit around schools, built up areas and so on I can understand and can respect, but on wide, open roads (duckmoor road an example) https://www.google.co.uk/maps/place/Duckmoor+Rd,+B...
It's 20. Yet it's wide enough for cars parked on the side and 5+ ft to your car and still work well. It flowed much better at 30 than it does 20, and now you get 2 kinds of people. Those who ignore it, do 35-40 down it, and then then meet the other type of person, who fastidiously adheres to the 20 limit. Both get annoyed at eachother because the limit is ridiculous and worked better then it was 30 as driver behind slowed to 30 and though, "limits the limit, they're doing it" and driver 2 didn't have people tailgating him because he's doing 30 on a road that is suitable for it.
Raah!
He's a knob, who can't see beyond trying to get money and stop people taking their cars when most of us actually need them, and if instead he spent the money he's paying to lower the limit on making the bus service err... work then more people would be persuaded out of their cars into the buses if they were clean, efficient and had drivers that didn't look like they wanted to stab everyone who came on.
Raynkar said:
Although this thread will mostly be read by people local to the area I just want to add something for readers elsewhere.
The Bristol mayor who introduced the lower speed limits is a keen cyclist (nothing wrong with that IMHO) but is also openly anti car.
The 20 mph speed limits might have been a good idea in front of schools or elderly persons homes but have appeared in odd places IMHO. What annoys me is that the mayor was caught speeding in Bristol and shrugged it off as not important as he was late for something! Surely that's when cars are at their most dangerous.
Add to that the fact he has introduced a raft of parking restrictions and the council now charge many residents up to £90 per year to park outside of their own homes, or his turning back on of speed cameras despite there being no rise in accidents while they were turned off and we have a mayor that is already costing Bristol several millions in lost revenue both in lost tourism and businesses relocating elsewhere.
I don't live in or near Bristol but isn't this guy duly elected?The Bristol mayor who introduced the lower speed limits is a keen cyclist (nothing wrong with that IMHO) but is also openly anti car.
The 20 mph speed limits might have been a good idea in front of schools or elderly persons homes but have appeared in odd places IMHO. What annoys me is that the mayor was caught speeding in Bristol and shrugged it off as not important as he was late for something! Surely that's when cars are at their most dangerous.
Add to that the fact he has introduced a raft of parking restrictions and the council now charge many residents up to £90 per year to park outside of their own homes, or his turning back on of speed cameras despite there being no rise in accidents while they were turned off and we have a mayor that is already costing Bristol several millions in lost revenue both in lost tourism and businesses relocating elsewhere.
If so and if the general public on the whole are opposed to his general behaviour when it comes to traffic "calming" measures why doesn't someone run against them at the next opportunity or alternatively speak with his/her main opponents with the aim of reversing the changes and tell them how many votes it would give them from the driving public? Just an idea....
There is a clear agenda in my opinion. I subscribe to highways related emails from South Glos. The latest wheeze is the Avon Ring Road. They are going to build extra lanes to carry the metro bus from Hengrove out to Emerson Green. Which seems a good idea that instead of taking out an existing lane for buses they make a special lane. So far so good, but they are intending to reduce the NSL 70mph dual carriageway limit to 50mph!!
No good reason given just rolled up in the plans to give better public transport. Is it perhaps for increased danger? Well no as they are allowing taxis and bike as well as buses to use it, so extra capacity with slower users off the main road.
I suspect it will be to allow buses to be seen to be faster than cars so subtle mind changing those sat in slow cars.
I have objected but there is little hope of changing this as they do not listen to reason at all. That is why the 20mph is being rolled out as they want to make Bristol and South Glos an example of how to get people out of cars by making car travel as difficult as possible. 20mph on small residential roads, still not a fan but understand how they happen, but to turn main arterial roads to 20mph is insanity.
One thing you cannot fault is the 20 is plenty lobby machine
No good reason given just rolled up in the plans to give better public transport. Is it perhaps for increased danger? Well no as they are allowing taxis and bike as well as buses to use it, so extra capacity with slower users off the main road.
I suspect it will be to allow buses to be seen to be faster than cars so subtle mind changing those sat in slow cars.
I have objected but there is little hope of changing this as they do not listen to reason at all. That is why the 20mph is being rolled out as they want to make Bristol and South Glos an example of how to get people out of cars by making car travel as difficult as possible. 20mph on small residential roads, still not a fan but understand how they happen, but to turn main arterial roads to 20mph is insanity.
One thing you cannot fault is the 20 is plenty lobby machine
ChrisFitz said:
Raynkar said:
Although this thread will mostly be read by people local to the area I just want to add something for readers elsewhere.
The Bristol mayor who introduced the lower speed limits is a keen cyclist (nothing wrong with that IMHO) but is also openly anti car.
The 20 mph speed limits might have been a good idea in front of schools or elderly persons homes but have appeared in odd places IMHO. What annoys me is that the mayor was caught speeding in Bristol and shrugged it off as not important as he was late for something! Surely that's when cars are at their most dangerous.
Add to that the fact he has introduced a raft of parking restrictions and the council now charge many residents up to £90 per year to park outside of their own homes, or his turning back on of speed cameras despite there being no rise in accidents while they were turned off and we have a mayor that is already costing Bristol several millions in lost revenue both in lost tourism and businesses relocating elsewhere.
I don't live in or near Bristol but isn't this guy duly elected?The Bristol mayor who introduced the lower speed limits is a keen cyclist (nothing wrong with that IMHO) but is also openly anti car.
The 20 mph speed limits might have been a good idea in front of schools or elderly persons homes but have appeared in odd places IMHO. What annoys me is that the mayor was caught speeding in Bristol and shrugged it off as not important as he was late for something! Surely that's when cars are at their most dangerous.
Add to that the fact he has introduced a raft of parking restrictions and the council now charge many residents up to £90 per year to park outside of their own homes, or his turning back on of speed cameras despite there being no rise in accidents while they were turned off and we have a mayor that is already costing Bristol several millions in lost revenue both in lost tourism and businesses relocating elsewhere.
If so and if the general public on the whole are opposed to his general behaviour when it comes to traffic "calming" measures why doesn't someone run against them at the next opportunity or alternatively speak with his/her main opponents with the aim of reversing the changes and tell them how many votes it would give them from the driving public? Just an idea....
I will be voting for anyone else when we are able to so we can get this guy out before he kills bristol
Yesterday I can down the M32 at 70 and then hit the motorway 40 limit. Then 30 round the centre, which turned to 20 in Clifton, then 30 across the Downs and then 20 again in Sneyd Park. I then flip-flopped between 20 and 30 limits all over Bristol on the way to Whitchuch and back to the M32.
It's real nightmare. The limit's constantly changing and the whole of the A38 (one of Bristol's main arterial roads is 20 from one end to the other). You could not make it up!
It's real nightmare. The limit's constantly changing and the whole of the A38 (one of Bristol's main arterial roads is 20 from one end to the other). You could not make it up!
TorqueVR said:
Yesterday I can down the M32 at 70 and then hit the motorway 40 limit. Then 30 round the centre, which turned to 20 in Clifton, then 30 across the Downs and then 20 again in Sneyd Park. I then flip-flopped between 20 and 30 limits all over Bristol on the way to Whitchuch and back to the M32.
It's real nightmare. The limit's constantly changing and the whole of the A38 (one of Bristol's main arterial roads is 20 from one end to the other). You could not make it up!
It's 20 from the end of the M32 all the way through the centre It's real nightmare. The limit's constantly changing and the whole of the A38 (one of Bristol's main arterial roads is 20 from one end to the other). You could not make it up!
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