North Yorks Scamera Vans - Be aware!

[Baldy881]

How fitting, just had a NIP come through to work this morning Caught me two days ago doing, wait for it...

79 fking MPH! On a straight bit of DC FFS!

This by a van not in a usual spot, it was between the Hopgrove and Grimston West bound, first time i've seen one there.

I HATE NYP!!!

[wildoliver]

I'm bloody hoping I got away with it on the weekend, saw the van too late I think I was under an indicated 80 so hopefully around 74 ish but again he was well hidden, there is no way it is safety orientated it's pure cash collection.

[All that jazz]

Could you locals on the A64 pin the map where the 'usual' hide-outs are please? I'm up there from time to time and I do like to get my toe down so it'd be helpful to know where to keep an especially keen eye on. Thanks.

I see Grimston (Bar) to Hopgrove is the bit between the A1079 junction and the roundabout at the northern end of the ring road, but not sure where the other bits are that have been mentioned.

[Baldy881]

All that jazz said:

Could you locals on the A64 pin the map where the 'usual' hide-outs are please? I'm up there from time to time and I do like to get my toe down so it'd be helpful to know where to keep an especially keen eye on. Thanks.

I see Grimston (Bar) to Hopgrove is the bit between the A1079 junction and the roundabout at the northern end of the ring road, but not sure where the other bits are that have been mentioned.

Haven't got enough pins

Seriously, just consider the A64 West and East between Scarborough - York - Leeds a no fly zone. As drivers wise up (and the scamera vans presumably generate less revenue) they just relocate to a different hiding spot, which are getting sneakier and sneakier.

I would have so much more support for the Police if they put the same effort as they do into catching speeders into other anti social areas such as littering. Even much more scope to catch st driving, mlm's, people driving on the right when no one in the left, slow moving vehicles on DC's etc etc. It's a disgrace

Edited by Baldy881 on Thursday 2nd July 15:19

[markmullen]

A64 East - just after Barton Crossroads
A64 East - Malton Bypass, long straight approaching A169 Pickering / Eden Camp junction
A64 East - West Knapton, layby on left after bridge leaving Rillington
A64 East - West Knapton, layby on left as you head up hill after Yedingham turn
A64 East - Seamer Bypass

A64 West - Seamer Bypass
A64 West - Malton Bypass, layby on long straight between A169 and Malton B1248 on-slip
A64 West - Whitwell Hill, bottom of hill, left side, view restricted by curve until you're on top of him
A64 West - Barton Crossroads
A64 West - near Jinnah restaurant, last layby at end of dual carriageway
A64 West - Hopgrove - layby on LHS not far out of roundabout
A64 West - Hopgrove to Fulford A19, bridges over A64, camera van hides in bushes at sides, barely visible
A64 West - Bilbrough Top, just after Land Rover dealers
A64 West - Bilbrough - layby near Aagrah indian restaurant
A64 West - Tadcaster - layby before A162 exit towards Sherburn in Elmet
A64 West - Tadcaster - bridge near windmill
A64 West - Tadcaster - long straight towards Bramham Crossroads

All through my life I've respected and helped the police wherever I can, on the whole they do a great job, under very difficult circumstances. You will notice from that list however how those are the places I regularly see cameras around North Yorkshire and none are around schools, old peoples homes etc. They lurk on the quick bits of road in a cynical money grabbing ploy to extract as much money as possible from motorists. It is, quite frankly, a disgrace, and a disservice to hard working bobbies whose job is made more difficult through a reduction in respect from the public.

I would love NYP to publish a graph of KSI figures in the county showing the trend before and after the introduction of cameras, whilst at the same time showing the number of marked roads policing cars on the county's roads. I am pretty sure it would make very embarrassing reading.

[All that jazz]

markmullen said:

A64 East - just after Barton Crossroads
A64 East - Malton Bypass, long straight approaching A169 Pickering / Eden Camp junction
A64 East - West Knapton, layby on left after bridge leaving Rillington
A64 East - West Knapton, layby on left as you head up hill after Yedingham turn
A64 East - Seamer Bypass

A64 West - Seamer Bypass
A64 West - Malton Bypass, layby on long straight between A169 and Malton B1248 on-slip
A64 West - Whitwell Hill, bottom of hill, left side, view restricted by curve until you're on top of him
A64 West - Barton Crossroads
A64 West - near Jinnah restaurant, last layby at end of dual carriageway
A64 West - Hopgrove - layby on LHS not far out of roundabout
A64 West - Hopgrove to Fulford A19, bridges over A64, camera van hides in bushes at sides, barely visible
A64 West - Bilbrough Top, just after Land Rover dealers
A64 West - Bilbrough - layby near Aagrah indian restaurant
A64 West - Tadcaster - layby before A162 exit towards Sherburn in Elmet
A64 West - Tadcaster - bridge near windmill
A64 West - Tadcaster - long straight towards Bramham Crossroads

WTF! Thanks for taking the time to make that. What a nightmare. I think I will make sure any journeys up that way will be done in the dead of the night!

I can add one to your list too - the traffic plod also sit in the little 140 degree junction just after Barton Crossroads on the way to Scarborough. You can only see them there by looking in your mirror after you've gone past it. It's the road labelled Slingsby Hovingham on googlemaps.

I agree with your closing comments too. Not that I ever had much respect for the police to begin with but I certainly don't have any now after various experiences with them over the years. But that's another topic entirely.

[gemini]

Nice!

[Deano_BMW]

This doesnt bode well for me-i leathered it back from Scarborough on the A64 last weekend. That might explain the ease in which i managed to get past people as they were obviously more aware of the vans than i was.

[Baldy881]

Deano_BMW said:

This doesnt bode well for me-i leathered it back from Scarborough on the A64 last weekend. That might explain the ease in which i managed to get past people as they were obviously more aware of the vans than i was.

If it makes you feel any better, I committed my 79mph crime on Tuesday, the NIP arrived at work (Co. Car) today, so they seem to get them out quickly. You'll be ok

ps - unless you were doing a ton 50 and they're still wondering what to with you

Edited by Baldy881 on Thursday 2nd July 15:21

Edited by Baldy881 on Thursday 2nd July 15:22

[Deano_BMW]

i think i was hovering around the .8-8.5 leptons range. Problem is im working away this week so wont discover whats in the post till i get home tomorrow

as for a ton 50, my car can just about manage that in KMH at the mo, let alone mph

[DMN]

Shortened list: Avoid hooning about on the A64 around rush hour.

I commute to the East of York and they are regularly around the Barton Hill Crossroads (Castle Howard - Whitwell Hill area), both ways although they tend to be facing Eastwood traffic in the morning, and Westwood traffic in the evening. The love catching holiday markers coming down Whitwell hill. You used to be able to freewheel down here and get some free millage - now you have to brake everytime just incase.

They also like to sit in the first two laybys on the Malton bypass (the next duel bit of the A64) the first bit is 1/2 a mile or so after it turns back into a duel carrige way, and the second is in the distance after you come round the long right had corner - they can pick cars off from some distance there. Again they seem to like to sit facing the way on an evening in the opposite layby.

They pop up in other places from time to time - I've seen them in the 30mph section at Rillington twice and the 40mph bit at Sherburn once, but they can't have made that much money there.

Edited by DMN on Thursday 2nd July 16:51

Edited by DMN on Thursday 2nd July 16:54

[Baldy881]

DMN said:

they can pick cars off from some distance there. Again they seem to like to sit facing the way on an evening in the opporsite layby.

Quite, the lad who lives over the road from me is a vehicle technician for NYP and tells me the camera range is 1km so in most cases you'll be fecked before you know it (yet there's plenty who still slam on right before the vans). His missus was caught twice in Stockton on the Forest when they pumelled the village for a few months with a van, don't know how he didn't find it in himself to commit a little sabotage

[Rick101]

Though speed cameras may not be the most effective way of reducing incidents on the A64, something does need to be done. Some will remember when they closed off all the turning intervals due the amount of accidents on that road. You don't get the U turn accident these days but it seems alsmost daily there are accidents on that road and quite often serious ones.
Despite being well sighted and relativley straight, it is mixed traffic and there are a number of side junctions. Add to they the amount of mongs who have no interest in driving and there is a high risk of incident.
As far as avoiding an NIP goes, don't speed on the A64. They are there regulally, be aware of that and keep to the limit. There are a few back roads if you want to avoid the camereas which are much more enjoyable.

[coppice]

DMN said:

Shortened list: Avoid hooning about on the A64 around rush hour.

Edited by DMN on Thursday 2nd July 16:51

Edited by DMN on Thursday 2nd July 16:54

I struggle to see why anybody who thinks they can drive needs that advice-but I guess the readership of this thread includes those who think that ..ahem..hooning is fine in heavy traffic ?

I encountered the van at Scawton on A170 last night whilst enjoying a spirited run on empty roads , Thanks to the white van man who flashed me half a mile before .

[Deano_BMW]

i might be ok then, it was a long way outside the "rush hour" window when i came back, and the traffic was very light.

[Baldy881]

coppice said:

I struggle to see why anybody who thinks they can drive needs that advice-but I guess the readership of this thread includes those who think that ..ahem..hooning is fine in heavy traffic ?

I encountered the van at Scawton on A170 last night whilst enjoying a spirited run on empty roads , Thanks to the white van man who flashed me half a mile before .

Well on my own behalf I certainly don't consider 79mph to be hooning, more a typical commute. In all honesty I usually keep the speedo to 80 knowing that it's actually 75 (according to GPS).

Truth is North Yorks is a mine field now, and the biggest concern for me is how devious they are getting with van location. Haven't ridden the GSXR1000 this year yet and finding it difficult to get motivated enough to MOT the thing, partly afraid of the trouble I could get myself into (my section 59 acquired last year has just expired last week!)

[Rick101]

To be fair if they clocked you at 79 you were probably indicating closer to 90.

As far as van location goes, what does it matter? It's a game of cat and mouse. If you knew where they were going to be it would be boring. Keeps you on your toes. It might be a straight bit of road but if you didn't see them, you could well have missed something else.

Edited by Rick101 on Friday 3rd July 06:38

[coppice]

North Yorks isn't a mine field at all . I do a lot of recreational driving from Wolds to Dales as well as my own patch on the Moors and in the last five years I have encountered a camera four times - and two of those occasions were absolutely where a camera should be - mid week in villages with 30 limits and schools .

[skip_1]

All that jazz said:

I can add one to your list too - the traffic plod also sit in the little 140 degree junction just after Barton Crossroads on the way to Scarborough. You can only see them there by looking in your mirror after you've gone past it. It's the road labelled Slingsby Hovingham on googlemaps.

This junction and that offshoot is due to be re-aligned on an offset in the near future in order to prevent accidents where people are crossing over the main road so that hiding place will be lost.

[alanyork]

most times as you come in to York A64, past the York collage ,Tesco roundabout theres a van outside the fishshop as you come into the 30 mph , they tuck away very well with the other parked cars ????