M606/M62 2+ Lane

[skip_1]

Anyone know if the 2+ lane that joins the M606 to the M62 e/b is enforced by cameras? I see loads of people using it with only themselves onboard. It would save a lot of queing

[Eviltad]

There are camera's above the carriageway. They look like SPECS but are grey and not yellow.

I wouldnt risk it as inevitably, the day I did would be the day they are turned on.

[skip_1]

I should say that those are I believe ANPR cameras.

There are also a set of brown cameras nearer the end of the 2+ lane, but also markings on the main carriageway which may be unrelated. http://maps.google.co.uk/maps?hl=en&q=M606,+Un...

Edited by skip_1 on Tuesday 4th May 16:56

[tul214]

I thought that the signs are covered up...i.e. they are not enforcing the rule at the moment?

[Eviltad]

skip_1 said:

I should say that those are I believe ANPR cameras.

Edited by skip_1 on Tuesday 4th May 16:56

Which coincidentally went up at same time as the +2 lane?

[AndyMil]

tul214 said:

I thought that the signs are covered up...i.e. they are not enforcing the rule at the moment?

signs were cleared off about a couple of weeks ago, I won't risk it now.

[v15ben]

yes: They had a period without cameras recently IIRC but I went down there recently they were back on. I used to go down there every working day and loved having a colleague in the car for that section

[skip_1]

Eviltad said:

skip_1 said:

I should say that those are I believe ANPR cameras.

Edited by skip_1 on Tuesday 4th May 16:56

Which coincidentally went up at same time as the +2 lane?

Did they? I wasn't living in Yorkshire when this 2+ lane opened, but they have the same cameras on the M621 and the other parts of the Chain Bar jct which is why I assumed ANPR.

[wildoliver]

I've always wondered what the penalty is for using such a lane? And is it really enforcable, I mean has an offence actually been committed if you drive down it alone?

[grosserbaby]

I was under the impression (for it was in the papers and on the radio) that the 2 person lane was to be inoperative during the roadworks to ease total traffic flow. Please check it out before you risk it but I am sure I was right so long as they have not changed the rule.

[skip_1]

The roadworks have now finished on that stretch and the lane is now operational again.

[fridaypassion]

wildoliver said:

I've always wondered what the penalty is for using such a lane? And is it really enforcable, I mean has an offence actually been committed if you drive down it alone?

You get a strongly worded letter.

I guess repeat offenders would get something more harsh.

[skip_1]

Have you recieved said letter?

[grahamw48]

I just take a different route, avoiding all the big brother cash-generator stuff. fk them !

Put the freight back on rails I say, and raise the limit to 90mph so we can keep up with white vans...oh, and no women drivers.

[fridaypassion]

fridaypassion said:

wildoliver said:

I've always wondered what the penalty is for using such a lane? And is it really enforcable, I mean has an offence actually been committed if you drive down it alone?

You get a strongly worded letter.

I guess repeat offenders would get something more harsh.

Not me but someone at work had one from using the 2+ lane in Stanningley

[bobda]

Don't know if these are the cameras in use on the M62/M606 and A647 but the technology is there to check automatically if you're not 2 (or more) up.
http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2007/jul/29/m...

[the-gofer]

Article said:

Last year the Department for Transport announced plans for the first car-share lane on a motorway, allowing qualifying vehicles to bypass congestion on the M62 near Bradford, where the Highway Agency found that 84 per cent of vehicles were carrying one occupant during peak times.

What? 84% of cars have only one occupant, so we'll prioritise the other 16%! What utter fkwittery. What makes the other 16% more important? Even if the other 16% had two occupants, then weighted averages mean that there are still more people in the 84% trying to get through. The other 16% of vehicles would have to have 4+ occupants on average for it to make sense to prioritise them.

The mathematics of squeezing 84% of your traffic into 50% of your lane real-estate and allowing 16% of your traffic to use the other 50% just doesn't seem to stack up. I suspect it's more of a "Green" incentiviser than a congestion easing tool.


BTW, I speak as someone who doesn't commute on the roads, and I only ever use that stretch of the motorway to go and visit family and friends, so always have wife and child in the car. Thus I can always use the Stonecutters* lane, but I still disagree with the sentiment.

• If you don't watch the Simpsons, you won't get this bit.

[Petrolhead_Rich]

the-gofer said:

Article said:

Last year the Department for Transport announced plans for the first car-share lane on a motorway, allowing qualifying vehicles to bypass congestion on the M62 near Bradford, where the Highway Agency found that 84 per cent of vehicles were carrying one occupant during peak times.

What? 84% of cars have only one occupant, so we'll prioritise the other 16%! What utter fkwittery. What makes the other 16% more important? Even if the other 16% had two occupants, then weighted averages mean that there are still more people in the 84% trying to get through. The other 16% of vehicles would have to have 4+ occupants on average for it to make sense to prioritise them.

The mathematics of squeezing 84% of your traffic into 50% of your lane real-estate and allowing 16% of your traffic to use the other 50% just doesn't seem to stack up. I suspect it's more of a "Green" incentiviser than a congestion easing tool.


BTW, I speak as someone who doesn't commute on the roads, and I only ever use that stretch of the motorway to go and visit family and friends, so always have wife and child in the car. Thus I can always use the Stonecutters* lane, but I still disagree with the sentiment.

• If you don't watch the Simpsons, you won't get this bit.

Its to encorage "Car-Sharing", something they havnt realised that most people do anyway due to the cost of fuel, those that dont have a reason...

[zippydoodaa]

putting all goods and other stuff on the rails will never solve the problem ,,, if you car drivers dont like trucks ,, simple solution
STOP BUYING STUFF your part of the problem !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[skip_1]

Well done, revive a 7 year old thread to completely miss the point