Pirbright Speed limit Change!!!
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Oh fantastic - another decent road ruined 
Been driving that road since i was 17 & in various different types of car (performance & far from performance
) & i've never once come anywhere near having an accident 
A large number of times i drive down there during the day, i usually find myself behind a driver who can't seem to drive higher than 35mph and brakes heavily for every corner like their life depended on it. Funny as when the road is clear, you can easily drive the entire stretch well within the NSL stretch without going off the road
Funnily enough i also find that the ones who tend to refuse to do more than 35odd in the NSL are the same ones who then speed up when they hit the straight parts of Pirbright where the limit has been 40 for ages and then continue to do at least 40 odd through the 30mph limit of Pirbright itself 
I find myself being one of the few people that actually drives through Pirbright at 30mph
No doubt once the limits are brought in you'll have the "must do 5-10mph under the actual limit" brigade out in force, which now seems to be the norm on the roads round here that have recently been subject to a speed change like the Red Road, Maultway, etc
Been driving that road since i was 17 & in various different types of car (performance & far from performance
) & i've never once come anywhere near having an accident A large number of times i drive down there during the day, i usually find myself behind a driver who can't seem to drive higher than 35mph and brakes heavily for every corner like their life depended on it. Funny as when the road is clear, you can easily drive the entire stretch well within the NSL stretch without going off the road
Funnily enough i also find that the ones who tend to refuse to do more than 35odd in the NSL are the same ones who then speed up when they hit the straight parts of Pirbright where the limit has been 40 for ages and then continue to do at least 40 odd through the 30mph limit of Pirbright itself I find myself being one of the few people that actually drives through Pirbright at 30mph
No doubt once the limits are brought in you'll have the "must do 5-10mph under the actual limit" brigade out in force, which now seems to be the norm on the roads round here that have recently been subject to a speed change like the Red Road, Maultway, etc
Edited by AlexRS2782 on Monday 25th March 19:26
Erm is this supposed to be in the report
"It is clear that the present situation is unsatisfactory. For whatever reason,
drivers are adopting inappropriate speeds. The speed management options are
limited given the geometry of the roads, which also makes police speed
enforcement impractical"
So they will put up signs but not do anything
This is interesting
2. ACCIDENT ANALYSIS PIRBRIGHT BENDS
2.1 There were 77 personal injury accidents between January 2009 and July 2012
inclusive. Of these 61 involved skidding or loss of control and 55 involved a
single vehicle.
2.2 56 accidents involved vehicles leaving the carriageway into a ditch, hitting other
objects such as lamp columns or overturning.
2.3 39% of drivers were males aged between 17 23 years old. Of 57 drivers
breath-tested, 2 were positive, both females aged 34 and 58.
2.4 Postcode data has shown that there is no significant involvement of soldiers
from the local barracks.
3. VEHICLE SPEEDS
3.1 The geometry of the bends does not encourage very fast speeds, but the nature
of the accidents suggests that many drivers are driving above the appropriate
speed for the location. Annex 2 shows the average speeds of over 1000
Page 26vehicles (fitted with compatible mobile devices, such as satnav) during 2011.
Also, shown is speed data obtained using automatic speed measuring
equipment continually over a week in February 2013
3.2 It is difficult to get meaningful average speeds because the bends mean that
vehicles are continually braking and accelerating but it is clear that the slower
speeds are occurring in the middle section near the railway bridge
"It is clear that the present situation is unsatisfactory. For whatever reason,
drivers are adopting inappropriate speeds. The speed management options are
limited given the geometry of the roads, which also makes police speed
enforcement impractical"
So they will put up signs but not do anything
This is interesting
2. ACCIDENT ANALYSIS PIRBRIGHT BENDS
2.1 There were 77 personal injury accidents between January 2009 and July 2012
inclusive. Of these 61 involved skidding or loss of control and 55 involved a
single vehicle.
2.2 56 accidents involved vehicles leaving the carriageway into a ditch, hitting other
objects such as lamp columns or overturning.
2.3 39% of drivers were males aged between 17 23 years old. Of 57 drivers
breath-tested, 2 were positive, both females aged 34 and 58.
2.4 Postcode data has shown that there is no significant involvement of soldiers
from the local barracks.
3. VEHICLE SPEEDS
3.1 The geometry of the bends does not encourage very fast speeds, but the nature
of the accidents suggests that many drivers are driving above the appropriate
speed for the location. Annex 2 shows the average speeds of over 1000
Page 26vehicles (fitted with compatible mobile devices, such as satnav) during 2011.
Also, shown is speed data obtained using automatic speed measuring
equipment continually over a week in February 2013
3.2 It is difficult to get meaningful average speeds because the bends mean that
vehicles are continually braking and accelerating but it is clear that the slower
speeds are occurring in the middle section near the railway bridge
I'm moving soon and this wonderful road will be on my daily commute - I don't understand all the accidents, how fast are people driving before crashing?
Coming from the Brookwood side, the first section down to the bridge is well sighted, with the next section towards Camberley (if heading under the bridge) being much slower. It's lovely to drive - hopefully the reduced limits will not spoil the enjoyment too much and slow those people going too quickly for the road.
Coming from the Brookwood side, the first section down to the bridge is well sighted, with the next section towards Camberley (if heading under the bridge) being much slower. It's lovely to drive - hopefully the reduced limits will not spoil the enjoyment too much and slow those people going too quickly for the road.
Yep, I put a lot of work into this so glad it has paid off.
My work was solely around the residential end, nothing to do with the bends themselves, FWIW the limit change and signage there had already been agreed and signed off when I presented the petition for our end of the road.
We should be getting two physical features (chicanes with priorty arrows) past the houses, making it impossible for anyone to do the usual 80mph + past the front door.
It's been a long time coming, and the 40mph limit outside the houses is woefully inadequate, dangerous and ignored by practically everyone.
My work was solely around the residential end, nothing to do with the bends themselves, FWIW the limit change and signage there had already been agreed and signed off when I presented the petition for our end of the road.
We should be getting two physical features (chicanes with priorty arrows) past the houses, making it impossible for anyone to do the usual 80mph + past the front door.
It's been a long time coming, and the 40mph limit outside the houses is woefully inadequate, dangerous and ignored by practically everyone.
Chicanes make sense by your bit but the change of limit further on seems utterly pointless. If the 40mph limit isn't slowing people past your house then why should it make any difference further up the road?
The same knee-jerk policy by the same people who dropped the limit from 50 to 40 on the A322 around Fox Corner when it really wasn't required.
The same knee-jerk policy by the same people who dropped the limit from 50 to 40 on the A322 around Fox Corner when it really wasn't required.
Living in Frimley Green but driving to Woking and Guildford quite often I drive this road quite frequently. In the main I am pretty sensible past the houses by the bridge. I will where conditions allow really push on through the rest though if I'm in the mood. I can't remember a time when I've been stopped or seen a police vehicle around. The one time I did see one was late at night parked up in the dirt/gravel layby on the left by the field as you approach the bridge from the Pirbright end.
In all honesty I don't think the change of speed limit is going to change the attitude of drivers. What might though is some of those rumble type surfacings, better reflective signs for night and even some armco to stop the off-road excursions going into trees?
In all honesty I don't think the change of speed limit is going to change the attitude of drivers. What might though is some of those rumble type surfacings, better reflective signs for night and even some armco to stop the off-road excursions going into trees?
Dizeee said:
It's been a long time coming, and the 40mph limit outside the houses is woefully inadequate, dangerous and ignored by practically everyone.
I've been overtaken and tailgated many a time along that stretch, 40 would be fine, IF people stuck to it IMHO - but happy to rumble past at 30 too I misread the title as the Pirbright Speel Limit Challenge initially
But in all seriousness I think the sensible drivers who are real petrol heads will always have the sense to turn the wick down when in a residential area, although I drove this road today and was sorry to see yet another hole in the undergrowth complete with police tape (down a embankment
)
I'm not sure there is much that will stop the boy racers who are determined to go as quick as possible wherever they go but I really hope that this "traffic calming" doesn't turn a wonderful flowing bit of road into a boring low speed procession, if I wanted that I'd pop the f1 on on a Sunday morning instead
Bravo for sticking up for the local residents though, it's a tough one.
But in all seriousness I think the sensible drivers who are real petrol heads will always have the sense to turn the wick down when in a residential area, although I drove this road today and was sorry to see yet another hole in the undergrowth complete with police tape (down a embankment
) I'm not sure there is much that will stop the boy racers who are determined to go as quick as possible wherever they go but I really hope that this "traffic calming" doesn't turn a wonderful flowing bit of road into a boring low speed procession, if I wanted that I'd pop the f1 on on a Sunday morning instead
Bravo for sticking up for the local residents though, it's a tough one.
Dave 500 said:
Erm is this supposed to be in the report
3.2 It is difficult to get meaningful average speeds because the bends mean that
vehicles are continually braking and accelerating but it is clear that the slower
speeds are occurring in the middle section near the railway bridge
Who wrote this rubbish. Of course it's slower by the bridge, it's an S bend not a straight road.3.2 It is difficult to get meaningful average speeds because the bends mean that
vehicles are continually braking and accelerating but it is clear that the slower
speeds are occurring in the middle section near the railway bridge
OK, reduce the limit by the houses but unnecessary for the rest of the open road. Just because a few bad drivers can't drive properly the majority have to accept ridiculous limits.
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