Who is bogging off after the YES vote?
Discussion
barryrs said:
Calvib said:
Why not address the (albeit awkward) issue?
Do you think that this is a good move by Westminster?
The question of 'why need to see it asinine?' - publically funded poll on a very relevant issue in Scoland right now.
Do you think they would have published if the outcome had been very supportive of the no campaign?
It does not send a good signal at all!
But of course; it should be the job of pro unionists to answer all questions.Do you think that this is a good move by Westminster?
The question of 'why need to see it asinine?' - publically funded poll on a very relevant issue in Scoland right now.
Do you think they would have published if the outcome had been very supportive of the no campaign?
It does not send a good signal at all!
Perhaps the data will be used closer to the referendum date to support the BT campaign?
Of course if opinion poll results are the most important factor in the independence debate for you then i suspect your mind is very much made up.
How can justify information being deliberately kept from you?! Whatever the pool says, both yes and no supporters need to have that info to act upon it.
It beggars belief how much some unionists seem to just lap-up whatever BT get up to and accept it. Questioning their approach would allow for a greater chance of a no vote. Are you really blindly putting your trust in Flipper Darling?
Calvib said:
I'm still fairly undecided. And therefore feel the need that all relevant (and publically funded) info is accessible.
How can justify information being deliberately kept from you?! Whatever the pool says, both yes and no supporters need to have that info to act upon it.
It beggars belief how much some unionists seem to just lap-up whatever BT get up to and accept it. Questioning their approach would allow for a greater chance of a no vote. Are you really blindly putting your trust in Flipper Darling?
But you dont know the context in which that data will be used and that the data isnt due to be released in due course as part of the campaign.How can justify information being deliberately kept from you?! Whatever the pool says, both yes and no supporters need to have that info to act upon it.
It beggars belief how much some unionists seem to just lap-up whatever BT get up to and accept it. Questioning their approach would allow for a greater chance of a no vote. Are you really blindly putting your trust in Flipper Darling?
The bolded statement has to be a joke; yes?
Personally i really dont care what the result is anymore so i have no faith in any politician involved to do or say anything that doesnt benefit them directly.
Calvib said:
I'm still fairly undecided. And therefore feel the need that all relevant (and publically funded) info is accessible.
How are other people's voting intentions relevant to your decision ?The most important relevant info is surely stuff like national debt, currency, defence and NATO, borders and EU status.
There seems to be more supposition than actual info on these.
Calvib said:
I would turn that back to you and ask why we are not being shown it? It does NOT send out a good message from Westminster at all. If there has been a recent upsurge in support from independence then be up front about it and tackle it constructively. Hiding this from the electorate is HIGHLY counter-productive I think. I'm really starting to think that Westminster are doing a double bluff and are wanting rid of Scotland...
I don't know why we're "not being shown it". TBH it doesn't affect my life and I don't know why it's affecting yours, other than affording you the opportunity to have a right good moan at Westminster. Is it not just a poll?I'd be much more concerned if, for example, the government was withholding or lying about the presence of legal advice on EU membership or the legality of discriminating against students from particular EU countries. Wouldn't you?
Calvib said:
Why not address the (albeit awkward) issue?
Do you think that this is a good move by Westminster?
The question of 'why need to see it asinine?' - publically funded poll on a very relevant issue in Scoland right now.
Do you think they would have published if the outcome had been very supportive of the no campaign?
It does not send a good signal at all!
I guess the main question is why would we really care? Its a poll. Its irrelevant to you and I.Do you think that this is a good move by Westminster?
The question of 'why need to see it asinine?' - publically funded poll on a very relevant issue in Scoland right now.
Do you think they would have published if the outcome had been very supportive of the no campaign?
It does not send a good signal at all!
I care more about what will happen with entry to the EU, what currency will we use, where will we make up for our deficit..taxes rises...decreased public spending, how many public service jobs will be lost, what will happen to my job (work for a very British company), how will the fiscal uncertainty effect my savings and mortgage rates, how many embassies will we have...how much will this cost, will I have to buy a new passport and driving licence...will we have border controls, how will loss of subsidies effect our oil and renewables.
I also question some of the main selling points of the SNP/Yes side.
1) Decision's made in Scotland for Scotland. I'm sorry, isn't this already the case? Don't we already have a Scottish parliament and a Scottish government who don't even use all their devolved powers?
2) Nuclear weapon free. Great...but why? What is the actual point? What's the problem? Its been there a long time and now suddenly its an "issue". What about our nuclear power plant? What about the nuclear NATO vessels we will be allowing into our ports?
3) No more illegal wars. Oh really, because this can be guaranteed yes? Guaranteed after our glorious SNP overlords voted for military intervention in Syria, against the UK.
4) A free, fairer society. Again...how? Why?...These are just words. We still have politicians, politicians who have proven themselves to be wholly unsavoury.
Also I have serious issues with Mr Salmond. Leader of the Yea campaign, a clear bully and someone blatantly using hatred and bigotry to stir up a Nationalist support movement. The guy is seriously damaging the image of us Scots.
Calvib said:
The electorate need to see this (not least since we paid for it!):
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west...
You mean like the fake EU advice Alex lied about and spend £20k covering up, or hus 4 night £10k stay in a hotel in the US he wanted to keep secret.http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-glasgow-west...
What is interesting about this story is that presumably an SNP supporter, working at Mori, has decided to spin a half story, under a fake name (deceit) without telling their employer (untrustworthy, much?), and has not even revealed what this 'great surge' is - Yes maybe up from 35 to 37% for all we know. If it were really high the Yesers would not be able to help themselves from publishing it.
The Yes team is all about dishonesty and deceit. I haven't seen the story where the SNP have sacked that racist student Roisin, president and ambassador for the good name of thr SNP, promoting hate and bile towards the English.
MintyChris said:
What about our nuclear power plant?
What indeed? Scotland has two nuclear power plants by the way, at Hunterston and Torness. But there are also 5 more nuclear reactors up at Dounreay. They are going to cost you a packet to decommission.The Atomic Energy Authority is currently decommissioning their 3, but the other two (Vulcan) are owned and run by the Royal Navy for testing submarine reactors. If they get kicked out of Faslane I can't see them being particularly keen about chipping in to help with the Vulcan test site.Gaspode said:
What indeed? Scotland has two nuclear power plants by the way, at Hunterston and Torness. But there are also 5 more nuclear reactors up at Dounreay. They are going to cost you a packet to decommission.The Atomic Energy Authority is currently decommissioning their 3, but the other two (Vulcan) are owned and run by the Royal Navy for testing submarine reactors. If they get kicked out of Faslane I can't see them being particularly keen about chipping in to help with the Vulcan test site.
Either they take it with them or they pay rent. fluffnik said:
Either they take it with them or they pay rent.
Eh? It's a Scottish asset, and a very valuable one, you'd be very welcome to it. No need for the RN to pay rent, they will be happy to gift it to the Scottish Defence Force. You'll need it as it's the only sensible site for the multi-billion euro nuclear waste storage repository you're going to have to build. I'm sure the UK Atomic Energy Authority is already figuring out the best way to transfer all the waste from Torness and Hunterston currently stored at Sellafield back to Scotland.My understanding is that YeSNP wants no more nuclear power for Scotland, but is happy to continue to operate the existing assets - just as well, as they provide 50% of your base load demand. So storing the waste is going to continue to be a challenge for iScot for a good few thousand years to come. Good job you're got loads of money from oil to pay for it, that'll cover you for a while at least, so long as you haven't earmarked it to pay for something else, like increased benefit, for example.
MintyChris said:
Also I have serious issues with Mr Salmond. Leader of the Yea campaign, a clear bully and someone blatantly using hatred and bigotry to stir up a Nationalist support movement. The guy is seriously damaging the image of us Scots.
Please remember you're not voting for the SNP and Salmond. Scottish Greg said:
Please remember you're not voting for the SNP and Salmond.
No, but as the leader of the Scottish government he will have a major bearing on the negotiations that will shape an independent Scotland's future, before the first election.He's also incredibly popular, so it's highly likely that he'll be up there at the first elections.
A yes vote, Salmond and the SNP cannot be separated.
simoid said:
Scottish Greg said:
Please remember you're not voting for the SNP and Salmond.
No, but as the leader of the Scottish government he will have a major bearing on the negotiations that will shape an independent Scotland's future, before the first election.He's also incredibly popular, so it's highly likely that he'll be up there at the first elections.
A yes vote, Salmond and the SNP cannot be separated.
A slight odd analogy you may think, but it makes as much sense as saying its very little to do with the SNP or their primary political figure - they are the ones who've concocted the whole thing and pushed the idea in our face...
OlberJ said:
simoid said:
He's also incredibly popular,
Must be a bad guy then."People in politics classes for years will look at this incredible self-perpetuating bulls
t bubble of bluff and bluster created by the yes campaign and SNP and marvel at how it became so popular.All you need to do to gain popularity is:
Create a bogeyman
Create and control a lot of media that isn't "mainstream"
Convince people that the mainstream media is full of liars, and therefore is the bogeyman.
Sit back and watch the votes roll in.
How can you stop it? It doesn't matter what you say, as soon as someone is part of the bulls
t bandwagon, it's like they're in a trance at are unable to listen to reason."Good at being popular.
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