Who is bogging off after the YES vote?
Discussion
ViperPict said:
In as much as their property is yes territory, then I agree. However, claiming no ownership over a large swathe of the area is rather different. Don't think I've seen one no poster in the window of a private property...
Given the treatment we have seen of No posters, I think I understand why...Gaspode said:
ViperPict said:
In as much as their property is yes territory, then I agree. However, claiming no ownership over a large swathe of the area is rather different. Don't think I've seen one no poster in the window of a private property...
Given the treatment we have seen of No posters, I think I understand why...jamieduff1981 said:
Gaspode said:
ViperPict said:
In as much as their property is yes territory, then I agree. However, claiming no ownership over a large swathe of the area is rather different. Don't think I've seen one no poster in the window of a private property...
Given the treatment we have seen of No posters, I think I understand why...All non-violent forms of expression in the debate are valid though.
ViperPict said:
jamieduff1981 said:
Gaspode said:
ViperPict said:
In as much as their property is yes territory, then I agree. However, claiming no ownership over a large swathe of the area is rather different. Don't think I've seen one no poster in the window of a private property...
Given the treatment we have seen of No posters, I think I understand why...All non-violent forms of expression in the debate are valid though.
holes in the ranks. From verbal abuse to vandalism. The ends are assumed to justify the means. The Yes campaigners are happy to gamble my life as I know it in every sense but there is no way I'd mark myself out as a target to Yes bandits.So how many Scots are actually worried about a Yes outcome? What will you do if it's a Yes? Will you move money out to English banks and keep it in Sterling? Would you actively look to relocate prior to independence being achieved?
I know a Yes is highly unlikely but if I were a Scot with considerable assets or a hefty mortgage, I'd be getting worried about now. The SNP's claims have been shown time and again to be lies and deceit so is it a case of plan for the worst and hope for the best?
I know a Yes is highly unlikely but if I were a Scot with considerable assets or a hefty mortgage, I'd be getting worried about now. The SNP's claims have been shown time and again to be lies and deceit so is it a case of plan for the worst and hope for the best?
Edited by Funk on Monday 25th August 00:57
jamieduff1981 said:
ViperPict said:
jamieduff1981 said:
Gaspode said:
ViperPict said:
In as much as their property is yes territory, then I agree. However, claiming no ownership over a large swathe of the area is rather different. Don't think I've seen one no poster in the window of a private property...
Given the treatment we have seen of No posters, I think I understand why...All non-violent forms of expression in the debate are valid though.
holes in the ranks. From verbal abuse to vandalism. The ends are assumed to justify the means. The Yes campaigners are happy to gamble my life as I know it in every sense but there is no way I'd mark myself out as a target to Yes bandits.There has also been significant verbal abuse and vandalism from unionists - it is not restricted to one side of the debate but is a fringe minority in both.
Gaspode said:
ViperPict said:
All non-violent forms of expression in the debate are valid though.
So presumably, as it doesn't involve actual violence, you would support the use of physical and psychological intimidation against those with whom you disagree? Blimey. ViperPict said:
Just make it up as you go along, don't you?
I'm just trying to understand your position from what you write. Do you believe that all non-violent means of expression are legitimate, or don't you? Does the end of establishing an independent Scotland justify the means, or not? Clearly you don't feel that actions such as writing 'Scum' across a 'No' poster are problematic, or you would have condemned them. So what level of intimidation do you think is acceptable? Or are people not supposed to feel intimidated by such actions?
ViperPict said:
I believe the no vote is largely based on the privileged wanting to maintain their privilege. Gambling with the lives of the less privileged.
There has also been significant verbal abuse and vandalism from unionists - it is not restricted to one side of the debate but is a fringe minority in both.
Well donate your viper to charityThere has also been significant verbal abuse and vandalism from unionists - it is not restricted to one side of the debate but is a fringe minority in both.
or are you exempt from giving up their privilege
And you you wee arse are gambling with thousands of jobs
You don't give a f
k if you destroy lives as you think you are something specialViperPict said:
jamieduff1981 said:
ViperPict said:
jamieduff1981 said:
Gaspode said:
ViperPict said:
In as much as their property is yes territory, then I agree. However, claiming no ownership over a large swathe of the area is rather different. Don't think I've seen one no poster in the window of a private property...
Given the treatment we have seen of No posters, I think I understand why...All non-violent forms of expression in the debate are valid though.
holes in the ranks. From verbal abuse to vandalism. The ends are assumed to justify the means. The Yes campaigners are happy to gamble my life as I know it in every sense but there is no way I'd mark myself out as a target to Yes bandits.There has also been significant verbal abuse and vandalism from unionists - it is not restricted to one side of the debate but is a fringe minority in both.
I take exception to someone assuming I must have been handed my lifestyle.
The Yes voters who aren't voting for Salmond but are voting for Scotland (i.e. voting for lots of free stuff) can ram it up their backsides. Is it my fault that Yes voters are unhappy with how their lives have turned out? Is it my duty to hand out all my income to them? I'd move to North Korea if I wanted to be a communist.
It absolutely astounds me that the Yessers have the ability to dismiss the words of pretty much everyone in any position of influence. Yes voters genuinely have no clue what weight the view point of someone they've never heard of but happens to hold some crucial position with the EU or NATO or even some country we trade with has. Yes voters seem to have the unique ability to dismiss all of these influential external stakeholders' views as "scaremongering". It's worse than that. There are thousands of jobs earmarked to go in the event of a Yes vote - Faslane being a prime example. It's a case of "More free stuff for the people and f
k anyone who actually managed to get themselves a career already".jamieduff1981 said:
ViperPict said:
jamieduff1981 said:
ViperPict said:
jamieduff1981 said:
Gaspode said:
ViperPict said:
In as much as their property is yes territory, then I agree. However, claiming no ownership over a large swathe of the area is rather different. Don't think I've seen one no poster in the window of a private property...
Given the treatment we have seen of No posters, I think I understand why...All non-violent forms of expression in the debate are valid though.
holes in the ranks. From verbal abuse to vandalism. The ends are assumed to justify the means. The Yes campaigners are happy to gamble my life as I know it in every sense but there is no way I'd mark myself out as a target to Yes bandits.There has also been significant verbal abuse and vandalism from unionists - it is not restricted to one side of the debate but is a fringe minority in both.
I take exception to someone assuming I must have been handed my lifestyle.
The Yes voters who aren't voting for Salmond but are voting for Scotland (i.e. voting for lots of free stuff) can ram it up their backsides. Is it my fault that Yes voters are unhappy with how their lives have turned out? Is it my duty to hand out all my income to them? I'd move to North Korea if I wanted to be a communist.
It absolutely astounds me that the Yessers have the ability to dismiss the words of pretty much everyone in any position of influence. Yes voters genuinely have no clue what weight the view point of someone they've never heard of but happens to hold some crucial position with the EU or NATO or even some country we trade with has. Yes voters seem to have the unique ability to dismiss all of these influential external stakeholders' views as "scaremongering". It's worse than that. There are thousands of jobs earmarked to go in the event of a Yes vote - Faslane being a prime example. It's a case of "More free stuff for the people and f
k anyone who actually managed to get themselves a career already".But, we'll be just fine in an independent Scotland. Many, many reasons why but I'll give one - up to 60% of Europe's oil and gas, 1% of Europe's population. The End.
McWigglebum4th said:
ViperPict said:
I believe the no vote is largely based on the privileged wanting to maintain their privilege. Gambling with the lives of the less privileged.
There has also been significant verbal abuse and vandalism from unionists - it is not restricted to one side of the debate but is a fringe minority in both.
Well donate your viper to charityThere has also been significant verbal abuse and vandalism from unionists - it is not restricted to one side of the debate but is a fringe minority in both.
or are you exempt from giving up their privilege
And you you wee arse are gambling with thousands of jobs
You don't give a f
k if you destroy lives as you think you are something specialMy position is that there is minimal risk to anyone's standard of living in terms of voting yes and a considerable advantage to many less fortunate.
Gaspode said:
ViperPict said:
All non-violent forms of expression in the debate are valid though.
So presumably, as it doesn't involve actual violence, you would support the use of physical and psychological intimidation against those with whom you disagree? Blimey. ViperPict said:
Around Aberdeenshire:
'No' signs in the fields of rich landowners
'Yes' signs in the windows and gardens of private property.
Sort of sums up the problem of the union.
There are loads of yes signs on the farms in Aberdeenshire.'No' signs in the fields of rich landowners
'Yes' signs in the windows and gardens of private property.
Sort of sums up the problem of the union.
And you think farmers are rich? Do you know anything about farming?
The SNP presume that the country can thrive on the income from oil, farming, finance, whisky and ship-building. 5 industries that generally don't want independence? Don't you think it's possible that the industries know more about their industries than blinkered glory-seeking politicians? Doesn't that strike you as staggering arrogance or staggering ignorance?
ViperPict said:
McWigglebum4th said:
ViperPict said:
I believe the no vote is largely based on the privileged wanting to maintain their privilege. Gambling with the lives of the less privileged.
There has also been significant verbal abuse and vandalism from unionists - it is not restricted to one side of the debate but is a fringe minority in both.
Well donate your viper to charityThere has also been significant verbal abuse and vandalism from unionists - it is not restricted to one side of the debate but is a fringe minority in both.
or are you exempt from giving up their privilege
And you you wee arse are gambling with thousands of jobs
You don't give a f
k if you destroy lives as you think you are something specialMy position is that there is minimal risk to anyone's standard of living in terms of voting yes and a considerable advantage to many less fortunate.
How can Yes voters reconcile so many people such as those running the EU, NATO and even just Spain whos vote we need to get in to the EU again who have categorically stated that they will not allow Scotland to act in the manner stated by Salmond/Sturgeon/Yes Scotland/SNP/White Paper/Blue Toilet Paper thing? Do the Yes voters think Salmond has sufficient international credibility and clout to make them all embarrass themselves and change position? Or is it a case of just failing to understand the consequences of the White Paper plan falling on its face? Do Yes voters understand what it means to try to borrow money with no currency union? Do they know what it means to have nobody to trade with? Do they just not think any of that is important because it's something they don't see day to day?
jamieduff1981 said:
ViperPict said:
jamieduff1981 said:
ViperPict said:
jamieduff1981 said:
Gaspode said:
ViperPict said:
In as much as their property is yes territory, then I agree. However, claiming no ownership over a large swathe of the area is rather different. Don't think I've seen one no poster in the window of a private property...
Given the treatment we have seen of No posters, I think I understand why...All non-violent forms of expression in the debate are valid though.
holes in the ranks. From verbal abuse to vandalism. The ends are assumed to justify the means. The Yes campaigners are happy to gamble my life as I know it in every sense but there is no way I'd mark myself out as a target to Yes bandits.There has also been significant verbal abuse and vandalism from unionists - it is not restricted to one side of the debate but is a fringe minority in both.
I take exception to someone assuming I must have been handed my lifestyle.
The Yes voters who aren't voting for Salmond but are voting for Scotland (i.e. voting for lots of free stuff) can ram it up their backsides. Is it my fault that Yes voters are unhappy with how their lives have turned out? Is it my duty to hand out all my income to them? I'd move to North Korea if I wanted to be a communist.
It absolutely astounds me that the Yessers have the ability to dismiss the words of pretty much everyone in any position of influence. Yes voters genuinely have no clue what weight the view point of someone they've never heard of but happens to hold some crucial position with the EU or NATO or even some country we trade with has. Yes voters seem to have the unique ability to dismiss all of these influential external stakeholders' views as "scaremongering". It's worse than that. There are thousands of jobs earmarked to go in the event of a Yes vote - Faslane being a prime example. It's a case of "More free stuff for the people and f
k anyone who actually managed to get themselves a career already".Bottom line, to be a successful country we need a GDP that pays for those that are unable to contribute equally. So how do we do this? According to the Yes propaganda that fell through my door last week we are going to rely on 1,500 billion of Oil revenue. But wait a minute, do we have a Scottish National Oil company.....No. Do we even have a UK National Oil Company.....No! For those of you who don't know, the biggest UK producer is Chinese owned! How long do you think they will keep investing in the North Sea if the tax regime (incl investment capex offset) changes to make up for the inevitable shortfall in revenue post a Yes vote?
Secondly, how many high tax payers do you think will actually stay in Scotland if the tax regime changes dramatically from that in England, Wales and Northern Ireland? My guess, not many. So then what.......??? Higher average tax, lower pensions....the list goes on!
Until someone can produce some real facts.....the risk is simply too high in my opinion.....but that's all it is, my personal opinion!
Lefty said:
ViperPict said:
Around Aberdeenshire:
'No' signs in the fields of rich landowners
'Yes' signs in the windows and gardens of private property.
Sort of sums up the problem of the union.
There are loads of yes signs on the farms in Aberdeenshire.'No' signs in the fields of rich landowners
'Yes' signs in the windows and gardens of private property.
Sort of sums up the problem of the union.
And you think farmers are rich? Do you know anything about farming?
The SNP presume that the country can thrive on the income from oil, farming, finance, whisky and ship-building. 5 industries that generally don't want independence? Don't you think it's possible that the industries know more about their industries than blinkered glory-seeking politicians? Doesn't that strike you as staggering arrogance or staggering ignorance?
My family are from a farming background - a large sheep farm on the west coast and arable/ cattle in Strathspey, Caithness and Buchan. And my grandfather was factor of two very large north-east estates. So I do know a bit about farming and associated land management, yes.
No industry likes change - it is completely understandable that they want the status quo to remain. All their systems are based on the current situation. But note that there are significant numbers in the industries you quote (also some senior figures) now backing a YES vote.
Remember what we are voting for here. It's not the SNP it's not AS. It's Scottish independence. The unionists want to focus on all the bad things the SNP stand for and are pretty much ridiculing AS at every opportunity. At the end of the day the SNP may deliver independence but that's not to say they will get a majority in the next election.
northnoble said:
jamieduff1981 said:
ViperPict said:
jamieduff1981 said:
ViperPict said:
jamieduff1981 said:
Gaspode said:
ViperPict said:
In as much as their property is yes territory, then I agree. However, claiming no ownership over a large swathe of the area is rather different. Don't think I've seen one no poster in the window of a private property...
Given the treatment we have seen of No posters, I think I understand why...All non-violent forms of expression in the debate are valid though.
holes in the ranks. From verbal abuse to vandalism. The ends are assumed to justify the means. The Yes campaigners are happy to gamble my life as I know it in every sense but there is no way I'd mark myself out as a target to Yes bandits.There has also been significant verbal abuse and vandalism from unionists - it is not restricted to one side of the debate but is a fringe minority in both.
I take exception to someone assuming I must have been handed my lifestyle.
The Yes voters who aren't voting for Salmond but are voting for Scotland (i.e. voting for lots of free stuff) can ram it up their backsides. Is it my fault that Yes voters are unhappy with how their lives have turned out? Is it my duty to hand out all my income to them? I'd move to North Korea if I wanted to be a communist.
It absolutely astounds me that the Yessers have the ability to dismiss the words of pretty much everyone in any position of influence. Yes voters genuinely have no clue what weight the view point of someone they've never heard of but happens to hold some crucial position with the EU or NATO or even some country we trade with has. Yes voters seem to have the unique ability to dismiss all of these influential external stakeholders' views as "scaremongering". It's worse than that. There are thousands of jobs earmarked to go in the event of a Yes vote - Faslane being a prime example. It's a case of "More free stuff for the people and f
k anyone who actually managed to get themselves a career already".Bottom line, to be a successful country we need a GDP that pays for those that are unable to contribute equally. So how do we do this? According to the Yes propaganda that fell through my door last week we are going to rely on 1,500 billion of Oil revenue. But wait a minute, do we have a Scottish National Oil company.....No. Do we even have a UK National Oil Company.....No! For those of you who don't know, the biggest UK producer is Chinese owned! How long do you think they will keep investing in the North Sea if the tax regime (incl investment capex offset) changes to make up for the inevitable shortfall in revenue post a Yes vote?
Secondly, how many high tax payers do you think will actually stay in Scotland if the tax regime changes dramatically from that in England, Wales and Northern Ireland? My guess, not many. So then what.......??? Higher average tax, lower pensions....the list goes on!
Until someone can produce some real facts.....the risk is simply too high in my opinion.....but that's all it is, my personal opinion!
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