Who is bogging off after the YES vote?

[ianrb]

Parsnip said:

Is anyone else more than a little bored of the whole circus by now?

I'm a firm no voter, but I am really feeling the apathy on this - I am depressed everytime I read or see anything regarding the referendum - so much time, money and effort has been wasted over this - the last debate pushed me over the edge - petty squabbling by ugly people in cheap suits - whatever the result, Scotland looks like a backwards, chippy little colony that couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery. The idea that our lot in Edinburgh could debate or negotiate on the world stage is laughable - it really is the diddy league of politics.

I can't help but feel that when the result is announced (either way) there will be a strong sense of "right, what now?"

We were discussing what we thought the political landscape would be like in the even of a 'yes' vote. We concluded that AS would end up taking a job at the European Commission, from his point of view as it's a nice gravy train, from everyone else's point of view to get rid of the wee gobste. We then started to speculate how he would fare dealing with foreign affairs & security and how long it would be before the EU found itself at war because of him.

[DCL]

Hollowpockets said:

Calvib said:

Hollowpockets said:

HenryJM said:

That's right. 2006 in Scotland, the rest of the UK didn't follow suit until July 2007.

Be afraid, so many (not all) yes voters don't know what they are voting for!

This patronising sh!te tells me all I need to know about you! 'Too wee, too STUPID' and all that? If there's a YES vote it's because most people are dim, right?! Getting rid of this elitist nonsense is one of the main reasons for voting YES.

oh well, it seems a little humour isn't even welcome here on a car forum. However, if there's a yes vote, myself and the 60 people I work with, will probably be out of work when the company closes its doors, if that brightens up your day, have a chuckle at my expense.

. . . and the 1500 I work with

Your paranoid outburst only confirms Hollowpocket's point. IMHO (and having worked and lived in Scotland for over 50 years) find the uninformed element in Scottish politics, and voters for that matter, surprisingly big. Call me elitist if you like, but throwing the toys out the pram (and iScotland is going to do that big style) isn't going to give us the best deal.

[gofasterrosssco]

Parsnip said:

Is anyone else more than a little bored of the whole circus by now?

I'm a firm no voter, but I am really feeling the apathy on this - I am depressed everytime I read or see anything regarding the referendum - so much time, money and effort has been wasted over this - the last debate pushed me over the edge - petty squabbling by ugly people in cheap suits - whatever the result, Scotland looks like a backwards, chippy little colony that couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery. The idea that our lot in Edinburgh could debate or negotiate on the world stage is laughable - it really is the diddy league of politics.

I can't help but feel that when the result is announced (either way) there will be a strong sense of "right, what now?"

Exactly that. I've tried to back away from it, and ignore the news (which isn't easy), but I keep getting drawn back in by some of the P!sh I hear the nationalists spout as they go about their views "converting" as many uninformed as possible..

I bite my tongue when I hear some nationalist with major shoulder chip moaning that its all crap, especially some of the mince you see on the FB, and from friends that have been "converted". Its the the old phrase though "Never argue with an idiot, they'll only bring you down to their level, and beat you with experience..."

Keep Calm and Vote NO

[lambo_xx]

Parsnip said:

Is anyone else more than a little bored of the whole circus by now?

I'm a firm no voter, but I am really feeling the apathy on this - I am depressed everytime I read or see anything regarding the referendum - so much time, money and effort has been wasted over this - the last debate pushed me over the edge - petty squabbling by ugly people in cheap suits - whatever the result, Scotland looks like a backwards, chippy little colony that couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery. The idea that our lot in Edinburgh could debate or negotiate on the world stage is laughable - it really is the diddy league of politics.

I can't help but feel that when the result is announced (either way) there will be a strong sense of "right, what now?"

I agree 100%. The whole thing is getting quite tedious now. I am always happy to listen to others opinions, my only stipulation is they should be able to justify them, if not well I'm sorry their opinion is a little bit pointless then. I have had the independence debate quite a lot recently (I'd imagine most people have) and I have, sadly to say, only ever managed to have 2 genuine in depth discussions with someone voting yes. The rest tends to be utter nationalistic drivel, where they quote some figures they don't understand or mention food banks (something that hadn't crossed their radar until Mr Salmond mentioned in the detabe).

[jamieduff1981]

Parsnip said:

Is anyone else more than a little bored of the whole circus by now?

I'm a firm no voter, but I am really feeling the apathy on this - I am depressed everytime I read or see anything regarding the referendum - so much time, money and effort has been wasted over this - the last debate pushed me over the edge - petty squabbling by ugly people in cheap suits - whatever the result, Scotland looks like a backwards, chippy little colony that couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery. The idea that our lot in Edinburgh could debate or negotiate on the world stage is laughable - it really is the diddy league of politics.

I can't help but feel that when the result is announced (either way) there will be a strong sense of "right, what now?"

And another here.

It's a question I wish had never been asked. I like being a Scot and I like being British. I like planning my future with as few curve-balls as possible.

I can't help but get angry at the total lack of any progress of real issues whilst the Scottish Government has been fixated on solving a problem most people consider a benefit to the detriment of everything else. It has created a deep rift in society and I even can't regard people who were previously friends the same way when our core values appear to be so fundamentally different so I've been cutting people adrift from my life the more "Yes" orientated they become - I genuinely no longer want to know them. I'll probably miss the people that I thought they were but it seems untennable now.

Like others - I don't want to hear about it but can't help but get drawn in by the spreading of utter nonsense.

[martinr007]

Hollowpockets said:

oh well, it seems a little humour isn't even welcome here on a car forum. However, if there's a yes vote, myself and the 60 people I work with, will probably be out of work when the company closes its doors, if that brightens up your day, have a chuckle at my expense.

Are you saying that the company (of which you're a director) are planning to close down in the event of a Yes vote? Coming from someone obviously with a position of authority in the company that's a bit worrying (I don't mean a bit worrying as in "you shouldn't be saying that", I mean because your authority in the company gives it credence as opposed to some random punter).

Can I ask why you plan to close down? Is it because of a percieved lack of work after the vote, an unknown tax regime, a re-location to a new base in England to continue the business? I'd like to get my head around why there are so many businesses with differing views.

Edited by martinr007 on Thursday 28th August 14:20

[Rockatansky]

Sadly, this vote is likely to be decided not by the yes or no camp but by those who don't vote at all - something the losing side will no doubt ignore whilst they blame those of us whose opinion differs to their own.

I have cast my vote already and I would urge all eligible voters do the same when their time comes.

A large turnout and convincing majority, in either direction, is the only way to put this whole thing to bed.

[Hollowpockets]

martinr007 said:

Are you saying that the company are planning to close down in the event of a Yes vote? Coming from someone obviously with a position of authority in the company that's a bit worrying (I don't mean a bit worrying as in "you shouldn't be saying that", I mean because your authority in the company gives it credence as opposed to some random punter).

No Martin, we don't plan to close down or relocate, it would not be through choice either, we need to be in Aberdeen to operate the services we provide and will be around as long as possible, however, if you don't mind I don't want to get into a debate about legislation as we'd be here all day.

Edited by Hollowpockets on Thursday 28th August 14:17

[emicen]

Rockatansky said:

Sadly, this vote is likely to be decided not by the yes or no camp but by those who don't vote at all - something the losing side will no doubt ignore whilst they blame those of us whose opinion differs to their own.

I have cast my vote already and I would urge all eligible voters do the same when their time comes.

A large turnout and convincing majority, in either direction, is the only way to put this whole thing to bed.

Not sure I agree with that.

Yes, significant turn out would help put it to bed. However, herds of people who don't really understand the issues but have been successfully harassed via social media etc voting in the direction they have been swayed doesn't exactly give me a great feeling.

[martinr007]

Hollowpockets said:

martinr007 said:

Are you saying that the company are planning to close down in the event of a Yes vote? Coming from someone obviously with a position of authority in the company that's a bit worrying (I don't mean a bit worrying as in "you shouldn't be saying that", I mean because your authority in the company gives it credence as opposed to some random punter).

No Martin, we don't plan to close down or relocate, it would not be through choice either, we need to be in Aberdeen to operate the services we provide and will be around as long as possible, however, if you don't mind I don't want to get into a debate about legislation as we'd be here all day.

Edited by Hollowpockets on Thursday 28th August 14:17

No worries Graham I appreciate your response. It would be good if other people in the know in businesses could give their opinion as it means some handy, real information would come out. If you go on the yes sites it's all positive, the no sites all negative!

[simoid]

Parsnip said:

Is anyone else more than a little bored of the whole circus by now?

I'm a firm no voter, but I am really feeling the apathy on this - I am depressed everytime I read or see anything regarding the referendum - so much time, money and effort has been wasted over this - the last debate pushed me over the edge - petty squabbling by ugly people in cheap suits - whatever the result, Scotland looks like a backwards, chippy little colony that couldn't organise a piss up in a brewery. The idea that our lot in Edinburgh could debate or negotiate on the world stage is laughable - it really is the diddy league of politics.

I can't help but feel that when the result is announced (either way) there will be a strong sense of "right, what now?"

I'm bored out of my tits with the whole affair.

Still, only 3 weeks to go eh

The worst thing about a no vote will be the 18 months of SNP government afterwards, with Salmond, Swinney and Sturgeon saying "we were going to (build a new hospital/cut taxes/give everybody a Porsche) but those bds at Westminster spent it on HP sauce".

[slipstream 1985]

A big supermrket chain (none i have previously or currently worked for) have put on hold a new store needed in the east side of scotland to wait and see what the vote brings. Mainly an English based outfit so I imagine they are waiting incase of a yes vote and will pull the plans.

[slipstream 1985]

ViperPict said:

Even if there is a no vote (not nearly as much of a 'slam dunk' as some here suggest!), you'll still have at least 40% (probably more) of the Scottish population who have said that they fundamentally are sufficiently discontented with the union that they are willing to take the major step of saying goodbye.

That is not a 'fringe minority' but a broad representation of the entire Scottish population. And the outcome of a no vote is not the same as getting a party in power that you did not vote for in a GE. The reason for, effectively, a vote of no confidence in Westminster is much more profound than that.

The UK government will have a duty to reduce that ~40-50% to what could be considered a 'fringe minority' (<10%) - the only way being through more devolved powers. But there is such a long way to go between ~40-50% and under 10% that the level of additional powers required to realise this massive shift in attitude will be independence by any other name. Face it, one way or another, the union is in it's death throws.

But we all know that the promises of more powers are hollow. The Westminster parties can pledge whatever they want in their manifestos but these new powers would still have to go through Westminster procedure. Given recently revealed public attitudes, those new powers are never going to be accepted by the English electorate (and all parties will be trying to gain favour in the run-up to a GE). And Westminster can remove any aspect of devolution any time that it chooses. We are far better voting YES.

I don't even want a Scottish parliament. It is a waste of money. Be born in Scotland and be proud of it fine. But I am British. I am totally happy with London rule. I am totally happy paying more out in taxes than is spent in "our" economy. You know why? Because someone has to py more for places that pay less. However we receive other benefits that the YES voters will not even concede as a benefit to being a part of the Uk. Shared military, massive economies of scale, bigger say in world events, bigger say in the EU. As for being dragged into "illegal wars" Lets be honnest, the world isn't all sunshine and lolipops. Best defence is a good offence. Sometimes you have to make the hard decesions that don't show an obvious benefit to the people on the ground.

[GoneAnon]

simoid said:

GoneAnon said:

Bitter Thegither used the roaming charges story some time ago.

Sadly (for them) the day they ran the story was also the same day the EU announced the end of roaming charges so the only likely theat will be if we vote Naw and then the UK government take us out of Europe.

Personally, I'd rather be out of both the UK and Europe and pay roaming charges when needed.

As for the international dialling code, that could be quite cool, same as the .scot web domain.

I think you've got yourself a bit mixed up there. The UK is a member of the UK, but Scotland isn't.

Also, when there's a naw vote, we won't have to pay roaming charges in England. It's all the same country

Sorry, you either missunderstood me or I don't understand your reply because, like it or not, Scotland is currently a member of the UK. The UK isn't a member of itself!

As long as Scotland is still part of the EU we won't have roaming charges anywhere in Europe unless we vote no and England then votes to take the UK out of Europe. We would then have no roaming charges south of the border but WOULD have them in Europe.

If we go independent we won't have roaming charges anywhere in Europe, but may have them in England. I'll take my chances...

[GoneAnon]

slipstream 1985 said:

A big supermrket chain (none i have previously or currently worked for) have put on hold a new store needed in the east side of scotland to wait and see what the vote brings. Mainly an English based outfit so I imagine they are waiting incase of a yes vote and will pull the plans.

I heard there was a similar situation when Santa Claus Land voted to become independent. The Santa's Little Helpers Company put their investment plans on hold ahead of the referendum result.

Luckily, the elves voted the right way, the Christmas gift business has gone from strength to strength, and we all lived happily ever after.


In other words, a story about an un-named company, in an un-named location, at an unspecified time, without any evidence to support any aspect isn't really a story, unless it's in the BBC, in the mainstream press or on the Scotland forum of Pistonheads!

The funny thing about businesses is that they exist to make money. They aren't trading here to ensure we don't starve on our own, after all. If they can make enough money they will operate anywhere. Tesco have already said as much and I can't be bothered going looking for statements from the rest. All the wailing about the difficulty of operating across the border is a bit nonsensical when the same companies already trade across lots of other borders.

[Rickeh]

slipstream 1985 said:

A big supermrket chain (none i have previously or currently worked for) have put on hold a new store needed in the east side of scotland to wait and see what the vote brings. Mainly an English based outfit so I imagine they are waiting incase of a yes vote and will pull the plans.

Independance is a risk a lot of investors haven't factored into existing medium-long term plans. Quite a few things will change if there's a yes vote. It's uncertainty that causes the investment hesitation, just like on the eve of any (UK or otherwise) government policy/tax change.

I expect the Scottish governments aim to compensate for this uncertainty, in the short term, would be to offer a lower tax regime than the UK & surrounding areas.

[barryrs]

GoneAnon said:

Sorry, you either missunderstood me or I don't understand your reply because, like it or not, Scotland is currently a member of the UK. The UK isn't a member of itself!

As long as Scotland is still part of the EU we won't have roaming charges anywhere in Europe unless we vote no and England then votes to take the UK out of Europe. We would then have no roaming charges south of the border but WOULD have them in Europe.

If we go independent we won't have roaming charges anywhere in Europe, but may have them in England. I'll take my chances...

But the EU have stated that by voting to leave the UK you are also voting to leave the EU. The letters are on the Scottish governments website and links posted several times.

If you aren't in the UK or the EU how will you prevent roaming charges?

Edited by barryrs on Thursday 28th August 20:47

[slipstream 1985]

GoneAnon said:

slipstream 1985 said:

A big supermrket chain (none i have previously or currently worked for) have put on hold a new store needed in the east side of scotland to wait and see what the vote brings. Mainly an English based outfit so I imagine they are waiting incase of a yes vote and will pull the plans.

I heard there was a similar situation when Santa Claus Land voted to become independent. The Santa's Little Helpers Company put their investment plans on hold ahead of the referendum result.

Luckily, the elves voted the right way, the Christmas gift business has gone from strength to strength, and we all lived happily ever after.


In other words, a story about an un-named company, in an un-named location, at an unspecified time, without any evidence to support any aspect isn't really a story, unless it's in the BBC, in the mainstream press or on the Scotland forum of Pistonheads!

The funny thing about businesses is that they exist to make money. They aren't trading here to ensure we don't starve on our own, after all. If they can make enough money they will operate anywhere. Tesco have already said as much and I can't be bothered going looking for statements from the rest. All the wailing about the difficulty of operating across the border is a bit nonsensical when the same companies already trade across lots of other borders.

http://www.montrosereview.co.uk/news/local-headlines/sainsbury-s-update-requested-1-2753097

As for my source most people in the retail world know how each other are doing and you tend to meet people as you change from company to company.

Sainsburys being 1 of the few bigger outfits to actually be doing well just now as tesco,asda and morrisons are currently having their asses handed to them by aldi and lidl.

[GoneAnon]

barryrs said:

GoneAnon said:

Sorry, you either missunderstood me or I don't understand your reply because, like it or not, Scotland is currently a member of the UK. The UK isn't a member of itself!

As long as Scotland is still part of the EU we won't have roaming charges anywhere in Europe unless we vote no and England then votes to take the UK out of Europe. We would then have no roaming charges south of the border but WOULD have them in Europe.

If we go independent we won't have roaming charges anywhere in Europe, but may have them in England. I'll take my chances...

But the EU have stated that by voting to leave the UK you are also voting to leave the EU. The letters are on the Scottish governments website and links posted several times.

If you aren't in the UK or the EU how will you prevent roaming charges?

Edited by barryrs on Thursday 28th August 20:47

The EU have NOT said that. An unelected official, however senior, expressed HIS opinion. That is all.

What the EU DID say is that if the existing member state (the UK) asked the question, they would answer.

For reasons unknown, my elected government in Westminster has REFUSED to ask the question. Now, if you were so certain of what the answer would be, why WOULDN'T you ask, unless you KNEW the answer was NOT what you wanted to hear/present? I sometimes think that the UK government is supposed to represent ALL their constituents, not just the ones that they agree with, but I shouldn't be surprised really.

[GoneAnon]

slipstream 1985 said:

GoneAnon said:

slipstream 1985 said:

A big supermrket chain (none i have previously or currently worked for) have put on hold a new store needed in the east side of scotland to wait and see what the vote brings. Mainly an English based outfit so I imagine they are waiting incase of a yes vote and will pull the plans.

I heard there was a similar situation when Santa Claus Land voted to become independent. The Santa's Little Helpers Company put their investment plans on hold ahead of the referendum result.

Luckily, the elves voted the right way, the Christmas gift business has gone from strength to strength, and we all lived happily ever after.


In other words, a story about an un-named company, in an un-named location, at an unspecified time, without any evidence to support any aspect isn't really a story, unless it's in the BBC, in the mainstream press or on the Scotland forum of Pistonheads!

The funny thing about businesses is that they exist to make money. They aren't trading here to ensure we don't starve on our own, after all. If they can make enough money they will operate anywhere. Tesco have already said as much and I can't be bothered going looking for statements from the rest. All the wailing about the difficulty of operating across the border is a bit nonsensical when the same companies already trade across lots of other borders.

http://www.montrosereview.co.uk/news/local-headlines/sainsbury-s-update-requested-1-2753097

As for my source most people in the retail world know how each other are doing and you tend to meet people as you change from company to company.

Sainsburys being 1 of the few bigger outfits to actually be doing well just now as tesco,asda and morrisons are currently having their asses handed to them by aldi and lidl.

Interesting article with no mention of the referendum, but a mention of legal issues about the site. Is it maybe just possible that the legal issues really ARE the reason for the delay?