Who is bogging off after the YES vote?

[Dryce]

GoneAnon said:

As the UK government refused to negotiate ahead of the referendum, surely it is obvious WHY there is no certainty about things like currency, assets/liabilities, defence, more powers, etc.

But the UK government didn't want this. The mistake was to goad the SNP into putting up or shutting up. They put up without a solid vision (which was one of the reasons for goading them!).

What should have happened is that an initial fast referendum should have been conducted simply to determine that a split of some sort was wanted. If the result of that was a 'yes' then this current referendum should have been about deciding the nature of the split - with Holyrood given a mandate to wake up the UK and EU.

GoneAnon said:

The fact thet the three main unionist parties haven't actually agreed what these powers will be is almost laughable if it wasn't so serious.

Well it's finally become 'serious' based on a poll which actually had a majority of 'no' and was then fiddle factored into a 'yes' by the use of weightings that may or may not be dubious.

The real problem is that the worst outcome has always been a close vote one way or the other. A 'yes' with under 55% isn't really a decent mandate for constitutional change - while anything less than 55% 'no' doesn't put things to rest.

This referendum is cursed.

[mph1977]

Dryce said:

ViperPict said:

Not magical, just common sense. They will certainly have the particular situation that Scottish farmers find themselves in better represented in the EU under iScot as opposed to UK.

Common sense suggests that an independent Scotland won't get into the EU without giving something up. The EU needs the UK rather more than it needs Scotland. Whereas an independent Scotland would find itself rather more in need of the EU and rather than 'certainly' being better represented would find itself beholden.

A very small new fish in a rather large established pond containing bigger fish - would anybody really notice the newcomer let alone listen to it? I doubt it.

there are two things that Scotland would have to give way on joining the EU

1. the UK rebate
2. a very real chance of having to commit to the Euro - fake failures wouldn't help it's credit rating ( which will start from zero not from AAA ) and would be seen by the yes pollyananas as betrayal and as pretty much an admission thatScotland is not the economic powerhouse Salmond claims it to be ...

[ViperPict]

mph1977 said:

Dryce said:

ViperPict said:

Not magical, just common sense. They will certainly have the particular situation that Scottish farmers find themselves in better represented in the EU under iScot as opposed to UK.

Common sense suggests that an independent Scotland won't get into the EU without giving something up. The EU needs the UK rather more than it needs Scotland. Whereas an independent Scotland would find itself rather more in need of the EU and rather than 'certainly' being better represented would find itself beholden.

A very small new fish in a rather large established pond containing bigger fish - would anybody really notice the newcomer let alone listen to it? I doubt it.

there are two things that Scotland would have to give way on joining the EU

1. the UK rebate
2. a very real chance of having to commit to the Euro - fake failures wouldn't help it's credit rating ( which will start from zero not from AAA ) and would be seen by the yes pollyananas as betrayal and as pretty much an admission thatScotland is not the economic powerhouse Salmond claims it to be ...

What the conditions of entry are will be debatable but there is very unlikely to be much difficulties in getting in...

http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/...

[Stwdv]

The real problem is that the worst outcome has always been a close vote one way or the other. A 'yes' with under 55% isn't really a decent mandate for constitutional change - while anything less than 55% 'no' doesn't put things to rest.

This referendum is cursed.



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I totally agree and it is already causing rifts in families and nations, it is definitely lose lose for all

[KENZ]

Remember who we are voting for.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbW_AT64m8E

Edited by KENZ on Tuesday 9th September 10:02

[Calvib]

Stwdv said:

I totally agree and it is already causing rifts in families and nations, it is definitely lose lose for all

It is only unionists who think this! I have not stopped speaking with any no voters as a result of the referendum. The whole thing has engaged people in politics that have never been interested before. There is a very much increased level of interest for the first time in decades. And a very positive feeling amongst the YES camp at least. I see no rifts at all.

Edited by Calvib on Tuesday 9th September 10:06

[Dryce]

Calvib said:

It is only unionists who think this!

That's the sort of thing that a politician would say when he points his finger at those not responding to his message.

The campaign as such has been very lop sided simply because of its nature. One side is effectively politicised and bubbly because they are motivated for something - the other side is rather more passive and deemed to be 'negative' because they don't even want the referendum.

[Calvib]

Dryce said:

Calvib said:

It is only unionists who think this!

That's the sort of thing that a politician would say when he points his finger at those not responding to his message.

The campaign as such has been very lop sided simply because of its nature. One side is effectively politicised and bubbly because they are motivated for something - the other side is rather more passive and deemed to be 'negative' because they don't even want the referendum.

I repeat - I've not fallen out with any no voters seriously over this. We all have to live together afterwards. Apart from the ones that are 'bogging off'....

[Calvib]

KENZ said:

Remember who we are voting for.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbW_AT64m8E

Edited by KENZ on Tuesday 9th September 10:02

I'm filing that under 'Westminster propaganda, lies and other miscellaneous bks'...

Sorry but that sort of thing is the reason that the no campaign has imploded...

[bigblock]

Calvib said:

KENZ said:

Remember who we are voting for.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbW_AT64m8E

Edited by KENZ on Tuesday 9th September 10:02

I'm filing that under 'Westminster propaganda, lies and other miscellaneous bks'...

Sorry but that sort of thing is the reason that the no campaign has imploded...

Try watching the video all the way through, it is quite clever and actually in support of the YES campaign !!!

[NoNeed]

bigblock said:

Calvib said:

KENZ said:

Remember who we are voting for.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dbW_AT64m8E

Edited by KENZ on Tuesday 9th September 10:02

I'm filing that under 'Westminster propaganda, lies and other miscellaneous bks'...

Sorry but that sort of thing is the reason that the no campaign has imploded...

Try watching the video all the way through, it is quite clever and actually in support of the YES campaign !!!

Tes voters don't do clever.

[ViperPict]

Not my first choice of periodical but undeniably influential (don't think they've backed the loser in a General Election for some time)

Scottish Sun to come out in support of a YES vote.

[gwm]

Can we get back to the original question.

Who would seriously move if the vote went Yes?

I'm actually glad I resisted the pressure to buy a house at 12 and have remained relatively mobile. I'm not a socialist and if what the Yessers even slightly came to pass, you wouldn't want to be anything but a welfare scrounging jakey.

[Mojocvh]

Stwdv said:

Highlands

All over

[yellowbentines]

gwm said:

Can we get back to the original question.

Who would seriously move if the vote went Yes?

The Mrs and I have discussed it. A Yes could be quite a ballache for me in work terms, and her Dad was English so she very much considers herself British and fancies living South of the wall, so its a possibility.

[Yertis]

Craigwww said:

The bitterness coming from the alot of English people on social media is driving people to a yes vote. I'm sick of the snooty attitude of some South of the border, echoed in the comments in this thread and I'm happy that at the end of the day it's up to the people of Scotland to decide yes or no. If Scotland is such a little brother to England and a burden, why is the Government trying so hard to keep us in the union?

As someone from Dorset, with zero Scots blood, I'm not well qualified to make any comment on this thread – I just popped in through curiosity as we've been chatting about the vote in the office today. This comment did prompt my interest though. I think it's shame you (and I think many other Scots) have formed this opinion of us English. I believe that the overwhelming majority of us are vaguely dismayed that Scotland would want to leave the union, principally because so few of us harbour the bitterness you mention. The snootiness too I think too is very rare. I honestly don't think very many English think of the Scots as any different at all except for the accent. We certainly don't think of Scotland as an insignificant little brother or a burden, any more than we think of Norfolk or Cornwall or any other part of the country in that way.

Most of us are just sitting here watching proceedings with a sort of perplexed fascination, hoping it goes well either way.

[haggishunter]

Yertis said:

As someone from Dorset, with zero Scots blood, I'm not well qualified to make any comment on this thread – I just popped in through curiosity as we've been chatting about the vote in the office today. This comment did prompt my interest though. I think it's shame you (and I think many other Scots) have formed this opinion of us English. I believe that the overwhelming majority of us are vaguely dismayed that Scotland would want to leave the union, principally because so few of us harbour the bitterness you mention. The snootiness too I think too is very rare. I honestly don't think very many English think of the Scots as any different at all except for the accent. We certainly don't think of Scotland as an insignificant little brother or a burden, any more than we think of Norfolk or Cornwall or any other part of the country in that way.

Most of us are just sitting here watching proceedings with a sort of perplexed fascination, hoping it goes well either way.

You should read some of the comments in the np&e threads, they're pretty tragic

[Yertis]

haggishunter said:

You should read some of the comments in the np&e threads, they're pretty tragic

I know but it's hardly a representative sample.

[Gaspode]

gwm said:

Can we get back to the original question.

Who would seriously move if the vote went Yes?

Standard Life, it seems.

[xr287]

Gaspode said:

Standard Life, it seems.

Because their announcement is entirely based on unbiased economic reasons and nothing to do with the personal interests of their board... http://www.craigmurray.org.uk/archives/2014/09/sta...