Who is bogging off after the YES vote?

[onlynik]

jamieduff1981 said:

It's very noble and selfless of you to gamble other peoples' jobs in pursuit of your ideals. Bravo sir.

Yes, I'd rather that than unjust wars and financial mismanagement putting people jobs at risk, a democracy where the Whip tell the MPs how to vote, but guess what people are allowed to have different ideals from you.

Do you remember 1997? When financial institutions said that they'd have to relocate if there was a devolved Scotland? Glad to see they kept their word. They are all in it for their own self interest, like everyone else, but they have the power to convince people, that jobs will be lost, you money won't be safe.

[Dryce]

onlynik said:

Yes, I'd rather that than unjust wars and financial mismanagement putting people jobs at risk, a democracy where the Whip tell the MPs how to vote, but guess what people are allowed to have different ideals from you.

Scotland has a system where the voters potentially have more choice and the opportunity to get more independent and minority party MPs into Holyrood.

But the electorate doesn't really seem to move much beyond party politics to exploit this.

What it really boils down to is whether the electorate makes effective use of the ballot box when it comes to electing their representatives and government. For whatever reason a substantial proportion of the electorate don't punish the incumbents by switching their votes.

[Patch1875]

jamieduff1981 said:

onlynik said:

X7LDA said:

onlynik said:

if they left I wouldn't worry.

Problem is, people should worry. I work for a Bank and we've already been briefed on the consequences of a Yes vote. It's not good news I can promise you and it's very real, not scare mongering.

Briefed by whom? Someone whose business is better based on the union? Much like RBS being independent from the government. The UK government plus a lot of strings behind the scenes, using their friends in high place to manipulate the information, much like they did in the 70's. Listen to John Major yesterday on R4, he was mainly saying that the UK establishment would lose prestige if Scotland left the Union.

It's very noble and selfless of you to gamble other peoples' jobs in pursuit of your ideals. Bravo sir.

My wife works for RBS at Gogar the message to staff was fairly positive, yes there will be changes regarding the location of the registered office(there has to be) but they have no intention to move operations or jobs.

[HenryJM]

Patch1875 said:

My wife works for RBS at Gogar the message to staff was fairly positive, yes there will be changes regarding the location of the registered office(there has to be) but they have no intention to move operations or jobs.

For the time being

[LindsayMac]

Since this is a motoring site quick question if a yes vote prevails

I guess a Scottish DVLA will administer, driving licences, car ownership etc but to buy a motor in England (most of the exciting stuff is down there on the car front) this will mean importing...................and then exporting to sell if a buyer is not north of the border? Is there a simplistic alternative

[jamieduff1981]

I expect there's been a grand total of zero thought given to that. I'll bet you a pint that car insurance goes up though as many existing policies that are currently "not available in Northern Ireland" become unavailable in Scotland too, reducing competition and pushing prices through the roof impacting normal families along with everything else for a couple of years at least.

[KENZ]

If you have time watch 'Our Friends in the North' on iPlayer. Especially the part about Norway's NBIM.

[rossybee]

ViperPict said:

rossybee said:

Lefty said:

The Moose said:

I know I'm coming into this a tad late, however I'm curious about it.

Could someone give me a brief run down of why some of the Scots want independence?

I ask the question as to me, it'd seem that economically Scottish independence doesn't make a lot of sense. Whilst it may well be that not everything is about money, it's rather important in this instance!!

I'm Scottish. Born here, lived here all my life (apart from a year in Dublin). Studied here, worked here, live here. I love Scotland, it's a great place, a beautiful place, a varied place. I work in a thriving industry, make decent money, have a great standard of living. Good schools for my kids, good healthcare, good opportunities. I love the roads, I love the whisky, I love the scenery, I love the cities and the islands and the countryside.

I have no idea why anyone would want independence.

ETA: I take serious offence that some nationalist knucklehead might suggest that I'm not a true Scot because I like things the way they are!

Edited by Lefty on Thursday 21st August 10:05

You've pretty much summed up my views (apart from the Dublin bit, nice place that it is)

Doesn't sound like someone who was every going to vote any other way apart from NO...

You are actually wrong there, old bean...

Just to clarify, you weren't the sole cause, so can't take full credit, sorry

[rossybee]

http://www.heraldscotland.com/sport/spl/aberdeen/s...

[exitwound]

Leithen said:

You are, you just don't realise it.

Utopia doesn't exist, there are no unicorns.

What exactly is worth suffering high inflation, high interest rates, high prices, a weak currency, high taxes, high unemployment for?

Look across the world and you'll find that achieving stability, whether economic or political, is very, very hard work. It requires sacrifices and continual hard choices.

The UK is doing very well despite what politicians and commentators might tell you. It could do better, no doubt. Those who complain so bitterly about it, ought to stand for election themselves.

Doing well?? What colours the sky on your planet?

I work in the public sector, earning 10% less now than I did 5 years ago due to an ongoing pay freeze to prop up the banks, and a 3% paycut in the form of a new tax on my pension contributions (6% to 9%) that I don't benefit from. Now I'm told that the MP's are to get a 9% pay increase "..as they need to be brought into line with other public sector employees in Europe", and Westminster has also informed me that it will be at least 2018 before UK(??) public sector employees will be considered for the unfreezing their pay. WTF is that about??

Voting for independence is the only way forward for us to try and get this sorted asap and wave two fingers to the Westminster 'old pals act' and their gravy train...

All I want is a vote that isn't stood on by middle England. I'm 60 and most of my life I've lived under a government that no-one voted for up here. That's basically wrong..

Ok, we'll stay in the union but we want 100% control of our finances and local parties to vote for that are only focussed on Scottish matters, that's all.

Hows that?

[barryrs]

exitwound said:

Doing well?? What colours the sky on your planet?

I work in the public sector, earning 10% less now than I did 5 years ago due to an ongoing pay freeze to prop up the banks, and a 3% paycut in the form of a new tax on my pension contributions (6% to 9%) that I don't benefit from. Now I'm told that the MP's are to get a 9% pay increase "..as they need to be brought into line with other public sector employees in Europe", and Westminster has also informed me that it will be at least 2018 before UK(??) public sector employees will be considered for the unfreezing their pay. WTF is that about??

Voting for independence is the only way forward for us to try and get this sorted asap and wave two fingers to the Westminster 'old pals act' and their gravy train...

All I want is a vote that isn't stood on by middle England. I'm 60 and most of my life I've lived under a government that no-one voted for up here. That's basically wrong..

Ok, we'll stay in the union but we want 100% control of our finances and local parties to vote for that are only focussed on Scottish matters, that's all.

Hows that?

Good luck

http://www.scotsman.com/news/politics/top-stories/...

http://b.3cdn.net/better/c1d14076ee08022eec_u9m6vd...

Edit

What country did you live in prior to the UK?

Considering the split between Labour & Conservative governments has been pretty much 50:50 for the last 100 years it cant of been Scotland. Unless you believe that no one in Scotland votes anything other than SNP or Labour because thats not true either.

Edited by barryrs on Friday 12th September 12:13

[Stwdv]

I do struggle to understand where the Yes vote thinks all the money is coming from, to:
Increase spending in the NHS
Free tuition
And put all the Westminster ills right
We hear about oil revenue but then that's only 15% and all the experts under the sun cant agree
We hear of all the industry coming to Scotland, why is iit not here now
etc etc etc, please show me a balance sheet and I will willingly vote yes?

[exitwound]

Stwdv said:

I do struggle to understand where the Yes vote thinks all the money is coming from, to:
Increase spending in the NHS
Free tuition
And put all the Westminster ills right
We hear about oil revenue but then that's only 15% and all the experts under the sun cant agree
We hear of all the industry coming to Scotland, why is iit not here now
etc etc etc, please show me a balance sheet and I will willingly vote yes?

For a start, having our earned income and taxes staying in Scotland for our own use and not having it channeled south in return for some pocket money might help..

Yes there will be hard times and many dragons to slay, but its our job to do this and if it f*cks up then we only have ourselves to blame. I'm willing vote Yes just for the chance to do this.

Either way, this changes everything.. If its a No vote, then we can't complain to anyone except ourselves when Westminster turns on us as they will, ..all I can do is say "..you only have yourselves to blame, for I voted Yes!"

David Cameron will be reviled as either the PM who oversaw the breakup of the UK, or feted as the man who took on the Scots and defeated them. Either way he'll dine out on this for the rest of his life. I mean him or anyone no ill will, I just want our contry to have 100% control of our destiny, standing or falling.

[whoami]

exitwound said:

Doing well?? What colours the sky on your planet?

I work in the public sector, earning 10% less now than I did 5 years ago due to an ongoing pay freeze to prop up the banks, and a 3% paycut in the form of a new tax on my pension contributions (6% to 9%) that I don't benefit from. Now I'm told that the MP's are to get a 9% pay increase "..as they need to be brought into line with other public sector employees in Europe", and Westminster has also informed me that it will be at least 2018 before UK(??) public sector employees will be considered for the unfreezing their pay. WTF is that about??

Voting for independence is the only way forward for us to try and get this sorted asap and wave two fingers to the Westminster 'old pals act' and their gravy train...

All I want is a vote that isn't stood on by middle England. I'm 60 and most of my life I've lived under a government that no-one voted for up here. That's basically wrong..

Ok, we'll stay in the union but we want 100% control of our finances and local parties to vote for that are only focussed on Scottish matters, that's all.

Hows that?

You're living in a dream world.

[Blib]

exitwound said:

For a start, having our earned income and taxes staying in Scotland for our own use and not having it channeled south in return for some pocket money might help..

Prepare to be utterly shafted. Utopia is expensive.

[Stwdv]

You can't spend what you don't have unless you borrow, and that's going to be expensive

[R1gtr]

doogz said:

How do I find out where to go to vote?

I recently moved house, and sent off the relevant forms to register to vote at my new address about a month ago.

I never heard anything back, so called the local council office 2 weeks ago to check we were on the register.

She looked us up, said we were, but that we may not receive a polling card, and that we didn't need one. Is that correct? She said we could show up and our names would be on the list.
5
But, I don't know where to show up at?

Do I need to phone them again and hang about on hold for another half an hour, or is there an easier way?

Cheers

Ask one of your neighbours, you will have the same polling station as them, make sure you take I.D. and National Insurance number if you have no polling card, you may not need it but better to have it and not need it.

[NoNeed]

exitwound said:

Doing well?? What colours the sky on your planet?

I work in the public sector, earning 10% less now than I did 5 years ago due to an ongoing pay freeze to prop up the banks, and a 3% paycut in the form of a new tax on my pension contributions (6% to 9%) that I don't benefit from. Now I'm told that the MP's are to get a 9% pay increase "..as they need to be brought into line with other public sector employees in Europe", and Westminster has also informed me that it will be at least 2018 before UK(??) public sector employees will be considered for the unfreezing their pay. WTF is that about??

Voting for independence is the only way forward for us to try and get this sorted asap and wave two fingers to the Westminster 'old pals act' and their gravy train...

All I want is a vote that isn't stood on by middle England. I'm 60 and most of my life I've lived under a government that no-one voted for up here. That's basically wrong..

Ok, we'll stay in the union but we want 100% control of our finances and local parties to vote for that are only focussed on Scottish matters, that's all.

Hows that?

Here's an idea that I will give you free of charge as you can't afford to pay.



Go and work in the private sector and see what you get and how you enjoy paying for the public sector to moan that more of your hard earned should be given to them.


MP's have not had a pay increase and are unlikely to do so in the current climate.

[mph1977]

Blib said:

exitwound said:

For a start, having our earned income and taxes staying in Scotland for our own use and not having it channeled south in return for some pocket money might help..

Prepare to be utterly shafted. Utopia is expensive.

last time i looked the funding was structured in such a way by Bliar and Bottler to ensure that the Scottish got several tens of millions more than their tax take ...

[Dryce]

exitwound said:

For a start, having our earned income and taxes staying in Scotland for our own use and not having it channeled south in return for some pocket money might help..

If it goes 'yes' with only a tiny % majority then that is the worst of all worlds. It leaves a huge number of Scots left with a situation they not only didn't vote for - but unlike a general election there is no re-referendum to choose a different option in 5 years.

I'm guessing from what I am hearing elsewhere that a significant number of the 'yes' fraternity are public sector and in the likes of the NHS. That suggests in a close vote that a disproportionate number of the 'no' fraternity who pay taxes will be private sector.

Sadly you may get a shock about how much earned income and taxes stay north of the border - because a lot of money and 'income' may well be domiciled down south should there be a 'yes'.

People may well make arrangements to protect their savings - their shares and large chunks of pensions will remain with London as a matter of course.

It's probable that the per-capita tax income to a Scottish government would be problematic for some time.

Consider for a moment the issue of APD - if you fly to or via London the UK government gets that tax. Scotland in effect gets a proportion back. After separation it gets nothing. If it adds its own APD costs go up.

Then there are stocks and shares. For many their personal and pension investments will reside on the London Stock Market. They will be taxed there - again no proportion back to the Scottish treasury after separation.

Then there is the issue of citzenship. Unless a separated Scotland got entry to the EU the current freedom of travel (and a UK passport is just about as good as it gets these days) might not be quite the same.

And as for your pay and pension in the public sector - there was a deficit before the banks imploded - that deficit has grown. The deficit is in effect funded by the confidence in UK gilts. A newly separated Scotland will have the debt and not the same confidence - so who funds that salary and pension? So Mr Salmond is threatening to not take on the share of the debt -- well I guess somebody who tried that with a mortgage during a divorce might get a shock at what it does to their credit score when they tried to setup their next household. Who's going to cough for the public sector then - the money will have to come from somewhere? And unlike the UK there will be no option to print it.