Who is bogging off after the YES vote?

[exitwound]

Under the union, there's nothing for us but more years of tory austerity or labour lies.

I'm willing to take a gamble that I at least will have a vote that counts towards a govt with Scottish interests at heart, whatever the outcome, that's all that matters..

I know its not going to be a utopia, it will be hard and with dragons to slay, and I don't believe all that the Yes campaign spouts, but its a leap of faith that I'm willing to take if I have one chance to have a vote that means something for the first time in my 60 years.

[Dinoboy]

Sorry if this is a really stupid question but how are the votes counted in the referendum?
Will all the "yes" and "no" votes from all 32 areas be put together to get the result or is each of the 32 areas counted on its own for a yes or no?
If it's the second option obviously some areas have a lot more people in them than others so smaller areas could swing it one way or the other with far fewer people.

[Speed addicted]

Jader1973 said:

Are you mental?

What makes you think you'll get more of a pay rise in an independent Scotland? The first thing Alex will have to do is hike taxes to make things "fairer" which is code for take more from the people who work and give it to those who don't. You will be worse off!

I honestly thought that my fellow countrymen were smarter than this. How the fk can anyone in their right mind possibly vote for an egocentric moron who has NO PLANS for anything? No plans for a currency, no plan for EU membership, no hint at how much it will all cost, NOTHING.

I cannot believe how many people have been sucked in by his jingoistic, racist, divisive pipedream.

"It will all be better" is not a policy FFS.

This. You've put it far better than I could.

[Bluebarge]

exitwound said:

Under the union, there's nothing for us but more years of tory austerity or labour lies.

I'm willing to take a gamble that I at least will have a vote that counts towards a govt with Scottish interests at heart, whatever the outcome, that's all that matters..

I know its not going to be a utopia, it will be hard and with dragons to slay, and I don't believe all that the Yes campaign spouts, but its a leap of faith that I'm willing to take if I have one chance to have a vote that means something for the first time in my 60 years.

Erm, the austerity is Europe-wide my friend, caused in part by the banking crisis; however, if Yes wins you will have plenty of home-grown austerity on top, as a result of a weak currency, lack of foreign investment and the massive gap between the SNP's spending plans and Scotland's income (even with 90% of the oil revenues).

Scotland has had the govt that the majority of Scots voted for in 12 of the 18 general elections since the war, which is exactly the same proportion England has had, so Scotland has largely had the govt. it has wished for.

If you prefer SNP lies then good luck to you, but if there is a Yes vote, you will be spending no time fighting bloody dragons and much time looking for a job, any job. That won't seem quite so heroic then.

[Alex]

exitwound said:

Under the union, there's nothing for us but more years of tory austerity or labour lies.

Austerity? Subsidy, you mean. If Scotland votes Yes, the Scots will experience true austerity.

[barryrs]

exitwound said:

You have nothing to offer us, there's no advantage in being part of a union. that's my point..

The Scottish Govt. bung me a 1% payrise every year in the face of Westminster who say we are to get nothing at all until at least 2018 and they've clawed back cash they spent propping up the banks, and there's maybe a surplus in the public sector then. I need a payrise of 15% now to break even and I've more chance of getting at least something with an independent Scotland.

But still the MP's are to get their 9% as they are "public servants", so what am I and the others, ...a f*cking mirage??

You poor wee Scot.

Office for National Statistics said:

Public sector workers are paid on average 14.5% more than those in the private sector

[Alex]

Credit Suisse said:

In our opinion Scotland would fall into a deep recession. We believe deposit flight is both highly likely and highly problematic (with banks assets of 12x GDP) and should the Bank of England move to guarantee Scottish deposits, we expect it to extract a high fiscal and regulatory price (probably insisting on a primary budget surplus). The re-domiciling of the financial sector and UK public service jobs, as well as a legal dispute over North Sea oil, would further accelerate any downturn. In our opinion, as North Sea oil production slows, we estimate that the non-oil economy would need a 10% to 20% devaluation to restore competitiveness. This would require a 5% to 10% fall in wages, driven by a steep rise in unemployment.

http://blogs.telegraph.co.uk/finance/ambroseevans-pritchard/100028065/credit-suisse-warns-of-grave-deflationary-shock-for-scotland/

[TheJimi]

Jader1973 said:

Are you mental?

What makes you think you'll get more of a pay rise in an independent Scotland? The first thing Alex will have to do is hike taxes to make things "fairer" which is code for take more from the people who work and give it to those who don't. You will be worse off!

I honestly thought that my fellow countrymen were smarter than this. How the fk can anyone in their right mind possibly vote for an egocentric moron who has NO PLANS for anything? No plans for a currency, no plan for EU membership, no hint at how much it will all cost, NOTHING.

I cannot believe how many people have been sucked in by his jingoistic, racist, divisive pipedream.

"It will all be better" is not a policy FFS.

Bang on.

and exactly why I'm voting no.

[whoami]

TheJimi said:

Jader1973 said:

Are you mental?

What makes you think you'll get more of a pay rise in an independent Scotland? The first thing Alex will have to do is hike taxes to make things "fairer" which is code for take more from the people who work and give it to those who don't. You will be worse off!

I honestly thought that my fellow countrymen were smarter than this. How the fk can anyone in their right mind possibly vote for an egocentric moron who has NO PLANS for anything? No plans for a currency, no plan for EU membership, no hint at how much it will all cost, NOTHING.

I cannot believe how many people have been sucked in by his jingoistic, racist, divisive pipedream.

"It will all be better" is not a policy FFS.

Bang on.

and exactly why I'm voting no.

Indeed.

I've long thought that there should be a minimum level of IQ to vote (and to post here).

YES voters merely reinforce that belief.

Roll on Friday, when the No vote will be confirmed (and I can pick up my winnings from the bookie).

[Dryce]

Dinoboy said:

Will all the "yes" and "no" votes from all 32 areas be put together to get the result

Yes. All votes totalled. Your vote will be counted the same whether cast in say Dundee or Kilmarnock.

[Dinoboy]

Dryce said:

Yes. All votes totalled. Your vote will be counted the same whether cast in say Dundee or Kilmarnock.

Thanks, was unsure after the way they were talking about it on the radio yesterday. Sounded like they were inferring a smaller area could swing it one way or the other.

[Dryce]

exitwound said:

I've more chance of getting at least something with an independent Scotland.

Probably zero chance unless you're a high heijun.

After a 'yes' Holyrood would be left having to find money for new departments and there will be other departments (eg. Centre 1) that may have to be reorganised.

You can be assured that the politicians and higher order civil servants will stay true to character and organise (or reorganise!) so that any new spending goes disproportionately to highly paid public sector jobs while finding excuses squeeze the people doing the grunt work.

And as for MPs awarding themselves 9% ..... want to run book on what the likely post 'yes' increases would be in Holyrood amongst the politicians and senior staff over the first few years?

Edited by Dryce on Wednesday 17th September 13:21

Edited by Dryce on Wednesday 17th September 13:22

[Humper]

Yes, i guess you are correct, Scotland is such a st country loaded with fkwits and there's no way we could actually look after ourselves, better to remain a leeching region of England getting handouts cos we're useless.

Tell me how that differs from your own opinion if voting no?

Because thats what no is.

And I'm still waiting for someone to enlighten me as to why the three stooges were up here trying to keep us, promising loads of things that they've no intention of delivering.

So, vote no. Stay the whipping boy. Take pride in your region.

[barryrs]

Humper said:

Yes, i guess you are correct, Scotland is such a st country loaded with fkwits and there's no way we could actually look after ourselves, better to remain a leeching region of England getting handouts cos we're useless.

Tell me how that differs from your own opinion if voting no?

Because thats what no is.

And I'm still waiting for someone to enlighten me as to why the three stooges were up here trying to keep us, promising loads of things that they've no intention of delivering.

So, vote no. Stay the whipping boy. Take pride in your region.

[HenryJM]

Humper said:

Yes, i guess you are correct, Scotland is such a st country loaded with fkwits and there's no way we could actually look after ourselves, better to remain a leeching region of England getting handouts cos we're useless.

Tell me how that differs from your own opinion if voting no?

Because thats what no is.

And I'm still waiting for someone to enlighten me as to why the three stooges were up here trying to keep us, promising loads of things that they've no intention of delivering.

So, vote no. Stay the whipping boy. Take pride in your region.

It doesn't occur to you that maybe not everyone wants to stuff everyone they meet. We are currently a nation, we have an element of loyalty and belief in it and certainly outside of Scotland the main reason to be anti-independence is that it is so obviously not in Scotland's interests to do it.

People have been there arguing for No not because it's a massive problem to the rest of the UK but because it's massively bad for Scotland. There have been so many lies told that to watch it happen is just wrong. Sure, if people really do vote for it the process moves on and Westminster decides what you get, but really that's such a daft thing to have to do when it's not going to work out to be the country the SNP lie about.

[Dryce]

Humper said:

Yes, i guess you are correct, Scotland is such a st country loaded with fkwits and there's no way we could actually look after ourselves

Or perhaps a less emotional perspective is that Scotland isn't much more or less stty or loaded with more or less fkwits than any other democracy.

There's looking after ourselves and looking after themselves.

The nature of revolutionary change (whether by force or ballot box) is that themselves will do pretty well while those expecting change for the better will probably find themsleves asking the same questions they were before after a few years.

The UK is a place where it is more of a privilege to live than most of its citizens realise. Moreover Scotland has its referendum without any guns or martyrs or poltical prisoners or violent protest so it's not as if it's having to fight off some oppressive yoke.

Roll the dice of change and the UK is the equivalent of a double six. That leaves 35 lesser outcomes.

[Hollowpockets]

Dryce said:

Or perhaps a less emotional perspective is that Scotland isn't much more or less stty or loaded with more or less fkwits than any other democracy.

There's looking after ourselves and looking after themselves.

The nature of revolutionary change (whether by force or ballot box) is that themselves will do pretty well while those expecting change for the better will probably find themsleves asking the same questions they were before after a few years.

The UK is a place where it is more of a privilege to live than most of its citizens realise. Moreover Scotland has its referendum without any guns or martyrs or poltical prisoners or violent protest so it's not as if it's having to fight off some oppressive yoke.

Roll the dice of change and the UK is the equivalent of a double six. That leaves 35 lesser outcomes.

[MintyChris]

exitwound said:

You have nothing to offer us, there's no advantage in being part of a union. that's my point..

The Scottish Govt. bung me a 1% payrise every year in the face of Westminster who say we are to get nothing at all until at least 2018 and they've clawed back cash they spent propping up the banks, and there's maybe a surplus in the public sector then. I need a payrise of 15% now to break even and I've more chance of getting at least something with an independent Scotland.

But still the MP's are to get their 9% as they are "public servants", so what am I and the others, ...a f*cking mirage??

You and us there again. I am a scot living in Scotland. So you are basically taking a gamble in order to get a pay rise? You'd be lucky to keep your job in the public sector if we go independent.

You clearly have zero understanding of what Independence means, the consequences and the positives that the UK brings. So by all means go back to your "I’m voting for Independence because I think I will get a rise rise..."

Genius....What could go wrong?

[jamieduff1981]

Hollowpockets said:

Dryce said:

Or perhaps a less emotional perspective is that Scotland isn't much more or less stty or loaded with more or less fkwits than any other democracy.

There's looking after ourselves and looking after themselves.

The nature of revolutionary change (whether by force or ballot box) is that themselves will do pretty well while those expecting change for the better will probably find themsleves asking the same questions they were before after a few years.

The UK is a place where it is more of a privilege to live than most of its citizens realise. Moreover Scotland has its referendum without any guns or martyrs or poltical prisoners or violent protest so it's not as if it's having to fight off some oppressive yoke.

Roll the dice of change and the UK is the equivalent of a double six. That leaves 35 lesser outcomes.

Agreed. Excellent post.

[HenryJM]

exitwound said:

You have nothing to offer us, there's no advantage in being part of a union. that's my point..

The Scottish Govt. bung me a 1% payrise every year in the face of Westminster who say we are to get nothing at all until at least 2018 and they've clawed back cash they spent propping up the banks, and there's maybe a surplus in the public sector then. I need a payrise of 15% now to break even and I've more chance of getting at least something with an independent Scotland.

But still the MP's are to get their 9% as they are "public servants", so what am I and the others, ...a f*cking mirage??

It looks like you should move to England:

"Last week the Institute for Fiscal Studies published an analysis which revealed that the Scottish government was planning to make cuts in health spending even though NHS budgets were rising in England. It showed planned cuts of 1.2% in Scotland in 2015-16, compared with an increase of 4.4% in England"