Who is bogging off after the YES vote?
Discussion
steelej said:
If Scottish independance would have no impact on the rest of the UK Westminster would tell us to f
k off and send us on our way. Anyone who thinks independance won't impact England is deluded.
I find it amazing that Scotland could become the first country in the developed world to say No to their own independance and that people who live here would rather go down south to watch David fking Cameron destroy what's left of the Uk is equally amazing 
John.
Apart from the fact we have no definite information still about how an independent Scotland will work. Why should folk vote yes if they aren't getting the answers they need to make the decision? The yes and better together campaigns are too busy arguing with each other and political point scoring. Hardly the sign of confidence for prospective voters. Plus the fact any awkward question posed to the Yes campaign is answered that the other side is bullying or scaremongering.k off and send us on our way. Anyone who thinks independance won't impact England is deluded.I find it amazing that Scotland could become the first country in the developed world to say No to their own independance and that people who live here would rather go down south to watch David f
king Cameron destroy what's left of the Uk is equally amazing John.
Edited by ch108 on Saturday 12th April 10:17
citizensm1th said:
hahahaha I love the idea that as an Englishman who supports Scottish independence ergo I must hate Scotland
if that's the kind of twisted logic prevalent north of the boarder good luck!
It's your language and bitter comments that make you sound like a little bitter Englishman. This isn't your first comments on PH about the matter either. if that's the kind of twisted logic prevalent north of the boarder good luck!
There is plenty of people capable of putting their opinion forward in a sensible manner.
It's got nothing to do with twisted logic when someone points out that you are bitter. You clearly are.
In your effort to attack Scottish people for their twisted logic and for me making assumptions, you don't half make yourself look foolish.
You're the most guilty.
citizensm1th said:
what makes the scots believe they will be able to just walk across the border after independence?
as citizens of a foreign nation outside of the EU you will need both passports and a visa
And what about all the English folk who live in Scotland? Are they going to be let over the border but the Scots not? And who says we will be outside the EU, that hasn't been decided either. What if Scotland stay in the EU and England vote to leave in 2015? Does that mean we can refuse entry to non EU English folk? Sounds a bit complex to work really doesn't it?as citizens of a foreign nation outside of the EU you will need both passports and a visa
I would imagine there will be a set up like Ireland. But as with a lot of things in this debate it is all guess work at the moment.
McWigglebum4th said:
Macd355 said:
Only in Scotland could people be covnicinced that thinking for themselves is a bad thing. I'll be off if there isn't a yes vote.
Excellent newsthe first YES voter i have heard who is leaving
I wish the rest would follow you
k you like! An independent Scotland does not require your brand of nationalism!I think this might be a time to stop this thread. Before its locked
Its getting silly now, fellow scots having a go at each other for really childish stuff.
Its independance, you have a right to which answer you vote for. It then doesn't give you the right to tell someone in basic term to "fk off if you don't like it"
Its getting silly now, fellow scots having a go at each other for really childish stuff.
Its independance, you have a right to which answer you vote for. It then doesn't give you the right to tell someone in basic term to "f
k off if you don't like it"Macd355 said:
Only in Scotland could people be covnicinced that thinking for themselves is a bad thing. I'll be off if there isn't a yes vote.
Think that's why there is to be a referendum so people can make up their own mind. Slating people who have the opposite view isn't democracy. As I said in an earlier post I genuinely don't know how I'm going to vote and its due to the lack of credible information on how its all going to work. Oil/gas/whisky to bring in money is all well and good, but I don't know anyone who works directly in these industries. What happens if other industries decide to leave in the event of a yes vote, as some have threatened to do? Do we all get a job in the oil, gas or whisky industry? In the event of a yes vote do our taxes go up? Are our savings/pensions affected? Still no answer on currency either. What happens if i travel abroad, what embassy do i go to if in trouble? Can Scotland afford embassies worldwide? Do we really know that our MSPs are going to do any different a job than Westminster?Its up to the Yes campaign to convince people its a good idea, after all they are the ones campaigning for the break up of the UK. We shouldn't just be expecting everyone should vote yes as a duty.
jamieduff1981 said:
The thing is that the natural resources are not like Norway's. The North Sea is not a cheap place to produce oil and gas. The oil companies just about tolerate the current taxation but in the industry there's much less interest in investment now than there was a few years ago. More the opposite. Our assets are liabilities with increasing maintenance back logs and increasing water cuts in the daily production.
The licenses were granted under a set of terms and conditions. No government can just go all Robert Mugabe on the companies that invested in the North Sea. There are good reserves still there but the North Sea just doesn't offer the ROI that much of the rest of the world does so we're seeing more companies trying to exit the North Sea. Evidence shows that decommissioning costs of assets are consistently around 3 times more than what was expected or budgeted for. There is very little attraction left in the North Sea beyond political and taxation stability.
The trouble with thinking that all this money will keep an independant Scotland afloat is that it assumes that the oil companies aren't nervous about it. It also doesn't really help the inevitable increase in cost of living such as retail fuel prices and food distribution across a potentially controlled border with England, as well as a mandatory increase in public sector to replicate institutions we have access to/use of in England. That doesn't make much difference to the government but will to the Scottish people who believed they'd all get rich without doing any more work. Even lending rates for mortgages etc will go up. The Scottish banks all want to relocate to London for goodness sake.
Still, so long as we get to wave our Saltires and shout Freedom and "think for ourselves" it'll all be grand. Anything to deny England the PRT from our oil production.
This man speaks the truth. Although we currently have a shortage of skilled workforce in the North Sea (I think the current average age offshore is now 47), production is declining, costs are increasing and many companies are looking at moving on. Along with Salmonds statement to ban any sort of hydraulic fracturing in an independent Scotland and his dream of a nation completely powered by 'renewables' doesn't really leave a great deal of room for many of the businesses involved in the North Sea.The licenses were granted under a set of terms and conditions. No government can just go all Robert Mugabe on the companies that invested in the North Sea. There are good reserves still there but the North Sea just doesn't offer the ROI that much of the rest of the world does so we're seeing more companies trying to exit the North Sea. Evidence shows that decommissioning costs of assets are consistently around 3 times more than what was expected or budgeted for. There is very little attraction left in the North Sea beyond political and taxation stability.
The trouble with thinking that all this money will keep an independant Scotland afloat is that it assumes that the oil companies aren't nervous about it. It also doesn't really help the inevitable increase in cost of living such as retail fuel prices and food distribution across a potentially controlled border with England, as well as a mandatory increase in public sector to replicate institutions we have access to/use of in England. That doesn't make much difference to the government but will to the Scottish people who believed they'd all get rich without doing any more work. Even lending rates for mortgages etc will go up. The Scottish banks all want to relocate to London for goodness sake.
Still, so long as we get to wave our Saltires and shout Freedom and "think for ourselves" it'll all be grand. Anything to deny England the PRT from our oil production.
jith said:
I'm trying so hard to keep out of this, but there are some really silly buggers on here.
The SNP won't be running the country. Waken up for god's sake! There will be an election and all the so called Westminster faithfuls from all parties will be only too happy to run for election in an independent Scotland.
How in the name of god can you justify this country being run by Westminster? They have positively devastated it for centuries. We have absolutely nothing to lose and everything to gain.
Oh by the way, best of luck in England; and watch out for the bailiffs, millions of speed cameras, massive overpopulation; constant traffic jams, horrible accents, monstrous house prices, wheel clamps, nowhere to park, everyone fawning at the royal babies, the brutal parasitical London stock exchange, etc, etc.
J
I'm sorry Jith but if Scotland gets independence you will most probably have your actions dictated by Brussels. Would that be a better alternative?The SNP won't be running the country. Waken up for god's sake! There will be an election and all the so called Westminster faithfuls from all parties will be only too happy to run for election in an independent Scotland.
How in the name of god can you justify this country being run by Westminster? They have positively devastated it for centuries. We have absolutely nothing to lose and everything to gain.
Oh by the way, best of luck in England; and watch out for the bailiffs, millions of speed cameras, massive overpopulation; constant traffic jams, horrible accents, monstrous house prices, wheel clamps, nowhere to park, everyone fawning at the royal babies, the brutal parasitical London stock exchange, etc, etc.
J
As for '...bailiffs, millions of speed cameras, massive overpopulation; constant traffic jams, horrible accents, monstrous house prices, wheel clamps, nowhere to park...' Have you been to Aberdeen or Edinburgh?
Anyway, as for myself and my family, we have no idea where we will stand my wifes UK visa allows her to reside in 'The United Kingdom'. Should Scotland become independent we don't actually know where we stand. When I pressed the local SNP chap recently he couldn't give me an answer. There are many foreigners in the Oil and Gas industry. I wonder how it will pan out for those guys?
My biggest worry come a 'Yes' vote is my job security, value of my house and my salary. There is much talk of companies pulling out of Aberdeen should the Central Belt vote 'Yes'. Aberdeen and the surrounding area would be devastated should this happen. It is only a couple of hours extra sailing time to the fields from the North East of England and much of the infrastructure is already present along the East Coast.
Salmond wants to be seen as the 'Saviour' of Scotland, a modern 'Braveheart'. In reality the man is a self obsessed, self aggrandising egoist who will do far more damage to a beautiful country than he can imagine just to ensure he can get his name in the history books. This has nothing to do with Scotland, it is all about 'Salmond'.
Just my tuppence.
Still undecided here but moving more to yes from no by the day. If the vote was tomorrow I'd be voting no but there is still 5 months to go. I've recently discovered the website Wings Over Scotland which has some interesting info that is helping me become more informed.
But it is very unhelpful when folk brand anyone having the opposite voting preference to themselves as stupid. That sort of comment itself belies stupidity! I know some very highly formally educated folk (who are therefore clearly not stupid) who are firm yes voters and make a convincing argument for their position, it has to be said.
My position is that an independent Scotland is likely to be, after a period of stabilisation, much the same as the the UK is now. So what is the point in the cost of separation for little difference? BUT I am now starting to realise the potential social benefit of independence. Not just for Scotland but the whole UK - it'll give the archaic and decaying suite of institutions embedded within the UK a much needed shake up! Everyone might gain possibly!
But, whatever the result, I will take it on the chin and get on with life. I won't throw the dummy out of the pram and threaten to walk out in a huff!
Oh poor Aberdeenshire being devastated! The rest of the country has been for years but Aberdeenshire has escaped it due to the 'oil bubble'. But hey, I'm alright Jack, eh?
Our actions are already dictated by Brussels, so no change there then.
I'm no great lover of Salmond but he has the interests of this country as his number one priority, unlike the bunch in charge at Westminster who are only interested in what they can use to enrich their pals in the 1% club.
I work for the NHS and I am glad that it is in Scotland where it is protected, unlike in England and Wales where it is being privatised by the back door and the media refuse to report on it!
As already mentioned, if Scotland was no use to Westminster then they would have told us to fk off years ago. However I'd imagine the £15b+ in taxation that flows there annually from Oil and Whiskey alone keeps them pally with us.
We more than pay our fair share and have done for years, yet are pilloried as scroungers.
As for people saying if there is a border it will cause increased prices for online goods etc? There isn't a border just now, yet if I want something delivered, lets say a garden shed which I was looking to buy yesterday; had I stayed anywhere south of the central belt of Scotland, including England and Wales, I could have it delivered free. Due to my postcode it would be £50 extra; United Kingdom my arse.
Our actions are already dictated by Brussels, so no change there then.
I'm no great lover of Salmond but he has the interests of this country as his number one priority, unlike the bunch in charge at Westminster who are only interested in what they can use to enrich their pals in the 1% club.
I work for the NHS and I am glad that it is in Scotland where it is protected, unlike in England and Wales where it is being privatised by the back door and the media refuse to report on it!
As already mentioned, if Scotland was no use to Westminster then they would have told us to f
k off years ago. However I'd imagine the £15b+ in taxation that flows there annually from Oil and Whiskey alone keeps them pally with us.We more than pay our fair share and have done for years, yet are pilloried as scroungers.
As for people saying if there is a border it will cause increased prices for online goods etc? There isn't a border just now, yet if I want something delivered, lets say a garden shed which I was looking to buy yesterday; had I stayed anywhere south of the central belt of Scotland, including England and Wales, I could have it delivered free. Due to my postcode it would be £50 extra; United Kingdom my arse.
stevoknevo said:
Oh poor Aberdeenshire being devastated! The rest of the country has been for years but Aberdeenshire has escaped it due to the 'oil bubble'. But hey, I'm alright Jack, eh?
Our actions are already dictated by Brussels, so no change there then.
I'm no great lover of Salmond but he has the interests of this country as his number one priority, unlike the bunch in charge at Westminster who are only interested in what they can use to enrich their pals in the 1% club.
I work for the NHS and I am glad that it is in Scotland where it is protected, unlike in England and Wales where it is being privatised by the back door and the media refuse to report on it!
As already mentioned, if Scotland was no use to Westminster then they would have told us to fk off years ago. However I'd imagine the £15b+ in taxation that flows there annually from Oil and Whiskey alone keeps them pally with us.
We more than pay our fair share and have done for years, yet are pilloried as scroungers.
As for people saying if there is a border it will cause increased prices for online goods etc? There isn't a border just now, yet if I want something delivered, lets say a garden shed which I was looking to buy yesterday; had I stayed anywhere south of the central belt of Scotland, including England and Wales, I could have it delivered free. Due to my postcode it would be £50 extra; United Kingdom my arse.
Absolutely spot on! Our actions are already dictated by Brussels, so no change there then.
I'm no great lover of Salmond but he has the interests of this country as his number one priority, unlike the bunch in charge at Westminster who are only interested in what they can use to enrich their pals in the 1% club.
I work for the NHS and I am glad that it is in Scotland where it is protected, unlike in England and Wales where it is being privatised by the back door and the media refuse to report on it!
As already mentioned, if Scotland was no use to Westminster then they would have told us to f
k off years ago. However I'd imagine the £15b+ in taxation that flows there annually from Oil and Whiskey alone keeps them pally with us.We more than pay our fair share and have done for years, yet are pilloried as scroungers.
As for people saying if there is a border it will cause increased prices for online goods etc? There isn't a border just now, yet if I want something delivered, lets say a garden shed which I was looking to buy yesterday; had I stayed anywhere south of the central belt of Scotland, including England and Wales, I could have it delivered free. Due to my postcode it would be £50 extra; United Kingdom my arse.
stevoknevo said:
Oh poor Aberdeenshire being devastated! The rest of the country has been for years but Aberdeenshire has escaped it due to the 'oil bubble'. But hey, I'm alright Jack, eh?
Our actions are already dictated by Brussels, so no change there then.
I'm no great lover of Salmond but he has the interests of this country as his number one priority, unlike the bunch in charge at Westminster who are only interested in what they can use to enrich their pals in the 1% club.
I work for the NHS and I am glad that it is in Scotland where it is protected, unlike in England and Wales where it is being privatised by the back door and the media refuse to report on it!
As already mentioned, if Scotland was no use to Westminster then they would have told us to fk off years ago. However I'd imagine the £15b+ in taxation that flows there annually from Oil and Whiskey alone keeps them pally with us.
We more than pay our fair share and have done for years, yet are pilloried as scroungers.
As for people saying if there is a border it will cause increased prices for online goods etc? There isn't a border just now, yet if I want something delivered, lets say a garden shed which I was looking to buy yesterday; had I stayed anywhere south of the central belt of Scotland, including England and Wales, I could have it delivered free. Due to my postcode it would be £50 extra; United Kingdom my arse.
Absolutely spot on! Our actions are already dictated by Brussels, so no change there then.
I'm no great lover of Salmond but he has the interests of this country as his number one priority, unlike the bunch in charge at Westminster who are only interested in what they can use to enrich their pals in the 1% club.
I work for the NHS and I am glad that it is in Scotland where it is protected, unlike in England and Wales where it is being privatised by the back door and the media refuse to report on it!
As already mentioned, if Scotland was no use to Westminster then they would have told us to f
k off years ago. However I'd imagine the £15b+ in taxation that flows there annually from Oil and Whiskey alone keeps them pally with us.We more than pay our fair share and have done for years, yet are pilloried as scroungers.
As for people saying if there is a border it will cause increased prices for online goods etc? There isn't a border just now, yet if I want something delivered, lets say a garden shed which I was looking to buy yesterday; had I stayed anywhere south of the central belt of Scotland, including England and Wales, I could have it delivered free. Due to my postcode it would be £50 extra; United Kingdom my arse.
stevoknevo said:
Oh poor Aberdeenshire being devastated! The rest of the country has been for years but Aberdeenshire has escaped it due to the 'oil bubble'. But hey, I'm alright Jack, eh?
Our actions are already dictated by Brussels, so no change there then.
I'm no great lover of Salmond but he has the interests of this country as his number one priority, unlike the bunch in charge at Westminster who are only interested in what they can use to enrich their pals in the 1% club.
I work for the NHS and I am glad that it is in Scotland where it is protected, unlike in England and Wales where it is being privatised by the back door and the media refuse to report on it!
As already mentioned, if Scotland was no use to Westminster then they would have told us to fk off years ago. However I'd imagine the £15b+ in taxation that flows there annually from Oil and Whiskey alone keeps them pally with us.
We more than pay our fair share and have done for years, yet are pilloried as scroungers.
As for people saying if there is a border it will cause increased prices for online goods etc? There isn't a border just now, yet if I want something delivered, lets say a garden shed which I was looking to buy yesterday; had I stayed anywhere south of the central belt of Scotland, including England and Wales, I could have it delivered free. Due to my postcode it would be £50 extra; United Kingdom my arse.
You seem to contradict yourself a little. You state the large amount of taxation that my industry pays into the government coffers, however you also insinuate that you don't really care about it as we are in our own little 'bubble'. Should Scotland lose that (diminishing) revenue the whole nation will be in a bit of a trouble.Our actions are already dictated by Brussels, so no change there then.
I'm no great lover of Salmond but he has the interests of this country as his number one priority, unlike the bunch in charge at Westminster who are only interested in what they can use to enrich their pals in the 1% club.
I work for the NHS and I am glad that it is in Scotland where it is protected, unlike in England and Wales where it is being privatised by the back door and the media refuse to report on it!
As already mentioned, if Scotland was no use to Westminster then they would have told us to f
k off years ago. However I'd imagine the £15b+ in taxation that flows there annually from Oil and Whiskey alone keeps them pally with us.We more than pay our fair share and have done for years, yet are pilloried as scroungers.
As for people saying if there is a border it will cause increased prices for online goods etc? There isn't a border just now, yet if I want something delivered, lets say a garden shed which I was looking to buy yesterday; had I stayed anywhere south of the central belt of Scotland, including England and Wales, I could have it delivered free. Due to my postcode it would be £50 extra; United Kingdom my arse.
You work for the NHS, somebody has to pay for it. If there isn't enough money for the government to continue to fund it, you will find yourself being privatised and possibly out of a job too.
It's a little bit more complicated than 'Evil Westminster'.
citizensm1th said:
Kiltie said:
citizensm1th said:
I am English and I hope there is a resounding yes vote and you all toddle off on your merry way.
= trollbest to just ignore
I'm off.
I didn't vote for the SNP, i never asked for this vote to happen. I have no wish for it to happen however, should a minority of people vote it though. I'm off.
The sad fact is Canada doesn't allow tdv6 D3's in.
So that will have to go to a new owner.
Still, i can get either a V8 D3 or maybe an early 5.0 V8 D4 to enjoy.
Plus Alfie can enjoy the West coast as i have mate's in Langley so i'm off there. Skiing is nearby as well.
I have no real ties here, nothing to hold me back, so i can head away.
There is overwhelming evidence this has all the makings of a car crash.
Huge holes in budget's, false claims of fast tracking, extra costs to electricity, job worries. The list is long and can't be labled as "Scaremongering"
Don't worry about the door. I'll be taking that thing clean off it's hinges when i leave.
I didn't vote for the SNP, i never asked for this vote to happen. I have no wish for it to happen however, should a minority of people vote it though. I'm off.
The sad fact is Canada doesn't allow tdv6 D3's in.
So that will have to go to a new owner.Still, i can get either a V8 D3 or maybe an early 5.0 V8 D4 to enjoy.
Plus Alfie can enjoy the West coast as i have mate's in Langley so i'm off there. Skiing is nearby as well.
I have no real ties here, nothing to hold me back, so i can head away.
There is overwhelming evidence this has all the makings of a car crash.
Huge holes in budget's, false claims of fast tracking, extra costs to electricity, job worries. The list is long and can't be labled as "Scaremongering"
Don't worry about the door. I'll be taking that thing clean off it's hinges when i leave.
A.J.M said:
I'm off.
I didn't vote for the SNP, i never asked for this vote to happen. I have no wish for it to happen however, should a minority of people vote it though. I'm off.
The sad fact is Canada doesn't allow tdv6 D3's in. So that will have to go to a new owner.
Still, i can get either a V8 D3 or maybe an early 5.0 V8 D4 to enjoy.
Plus Alfie can enjoy the West coast as i have mate's in Langley so i'm off there. Skiing is nearby as well.
I have no real ties here, nothing to hold me back, so i can head away.
There is overwhelming evidence this has all the makings of a car crash.
Huge holes in budget's, false claims of fast tracking, extra costs to electricity, job worries. The list is long and can't be labled as "Scaremongering"
Don't worry about the door. I'll be taking that thing clean off it's hinges when i leave.
A minority of people? Eh?!I didn't vote for the SNP, i never asked for this vote to happen. I have no wish for it to happen however, should a minority of people vote it though. I'm off.
The sad fact is Canada doesn't allow tdv6 D3's in.
So that will have to go to a new owner.Still, i can get either a V8 D3 or maybe an early 5.0 V8 D4 to enjoy.
Plus Alfie can enjoy the West coast as i have mate's in Langley so i'm off there. Skiing is nearby as well.
I have no real ties here, nothing to hold me back, so i can head away.
There is overwhelming evidence this has all the makings of a car crash.
Huge holes in budget's, false claims of fast tracking, extra costs to electricity, job worries. The list is long and can't be labled as "Scaremongering"
Don't worry about the door. I'll be taking that thing clean off it's hinges when i leave.
A.J.M said:
I'm off.
I didn't vote for the SNP, i never asked for this vote to happen. I have no wish for it to happen however, should a minority of people vote it though. I'm off.
The sad fact is Canada doesn't allow tdv6 D3's in. So that will have to go to a new owner.
Still, i can get either a V8 D3 or maybe an early 5.0 V8 D4 to enjoy.
Plus Alfie can enjoy the West coast as i have mate's in Langley so i'm off there. Skiing is nearby as well.
I have no real ties here, nothing to hold me back, so i can head away.
There is overwhelming evidence this has all the makings of a car crash.
Huge holes in budget's, false claims of fast tracking, extra costs to electricity, job worries. The list is long and can't be labled as "Scaremongering"
Don't worry about the door. I'll be taking that thing clean off it's hinges when i leave.
Absolutely spot on I didn't vote for the SNP, i never asked for this vote to happen. I have no wish for it to happen however, should a minority of people vote it though. I'm off.
The sad fact is Canada doesn't allow tdv6 D3's in.
So that will have to go to a new owner.Still, i can get either a V8 D3 or maybe an early 5.0 V8 D4 to enjoy.
Plus Alfie can enjoy the West coast as i have mate's in Langley so i'm off there. Skiing is nearby as well.
I have no real ties here, nothing to hold me back, so i can head away.
There is overwhelming evidence this has all the makings of a car crash.
Huge holes in budget's, false claims of fast tracking, extra costs to electricity, job worries. The list is long and can't be labled as "Scaremongering"
Don't worry about the door. I'll be taking that thing clean off it's hinges when i leave.
Canada sounds good or maybe the U.S. when my company opens its new base there.
You only have to read the posts on here from the Scottish Numpty Party supporters to understand how much of a disaster it will be.
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