Who is bogging off after the YES vote?
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Siscar said:
jith said:
simoid said:
footsoldier said:
Ok. Give us some hard stats to show why no is better vote..? Happy to listen.
Here's one:Economies of scale in terms of taxation for companies that operate across the UK - vote no and they have 1 set of accounts, 1 corporation tax bill, 1 PAYE system, 1 VAT bill, etc. Vote Yes, you double that.
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ViperPict said:
There a few of the usual suspects here but a lot more people commenting who can actually vote in the referendum. And a split of opinion more in line with the wider debate.
On topic: I repeat that anyone deciding to leave now is just making an emotional knee-jerk decision! And I think 90% bravado.
AgreeOn topic: I repeat that anyone deciding to leave now is just making an emotional knee-jerk decision! And I think 90% bravado.
But i think it will be very very nasty for Scotland once the YES vote comes in
If i had nothing worth saving in scotland i would be off now because of folk like yourself
Lots of bluff and bluster with zero content
McWigglebum4th said:
ViperPict said:
There a few of the usual suspects here but a lot more people commenting who can actually vote in the referendum. And a split of opinion more in line with the wider debate.
On topic: I repeat that anyone deciding to leave now is just making an emotional knee-jerk decision! And I think 90% bravado.
AgreeOn topic: I repeat that anyone deciding to leave now is just making an emotional knee-jerk decision! And I think 90% bravado.
But i think it will be very very nasty for Scotland once the YES vote comes in
If i had nothing worth saving in scotland i would be off now because of folk like yourself
Lots of bluff and bluster with zero content
ViperPict said:
You have to accept that not everyone will have an opinion that falls in line exactly with your own.
Yes.Perhaps you could do that without insulting them, or consistently lowering the tone of debate by suggesting that they disagree with you simply because they loved Brian Laudrup and Paul Gascoigne when they were getting into football.
footsoldier said:
gwm said:
Cozmcrae sums up a lot of Yes voters. Even though he says he's bailing Scotland altogether. So unhappy with their lot and disillusioned, that they see the independence vote as a chance for real change. They don't want to accept any hard stats or independent opinion, as it pisses on their only avenue for getting the change they so desperately want.
Ok. Give us some hard stats to show why no is better vote..? Happy to listen.Also, many of my links are the BBC. Let's hope there is comment on my points, rather than "BBC biased scare mongering type comments."
Oil - a lot has been promised on the back of revenue this will generate for Scotland. However, everyone is in agreement that this is a diminishing resource and extremely volatile price wise. The revenue gained by an iScotland would also have to be offset against the massive decommissioning costs (est 20 billion) coming in the not too distant future. The extract used here http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-pol... shows that Scotland would be significantly better off with oil and gas revenue, but this would be an even larger proportion of Scottish GDP and is no way guaranteed. My issue is the volatility.
Renewable energy - remember the SNP proposed a UK energy market, as this industry like others is very susceptible to economies of scale. The current renewable energy projects are only currently feasible due to the massive subsidies it gets from the UK government. The Exane BNP Paribas report says Scotland gets 28% of all green subsidies, while only generating 10% of the electricity in the UK. I'm hard pressed to see how Scotland could replace this. Energy bills would definitely be higher in an iScotland https://www.gov.uk/government/publications/scotlan...
NATO - Scotland wants to remain part of NATO but with issues like wanting to remove Trident and releasing Lockerbie bomber, we've hardly enamoured ourselves to the only real military power in the world have we?
Debt - let's say Scotland does manage to dump its share of the UK's debt (which it helped build up), how will that set Scotland up on the international money markets going forward? http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-pol...
If Scotland takes its share of the debt, it'll cost us significantly more:
http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2014/apr/08/in...
Uni fees - if we were truly independent we could charge whatever, but if in the EU then we couldn't continue to charge English, NI and Welsh students what we do now. 250m black hole. The assertion from SNP that they could continue to charge here http://www.yesscotland.net/answers/what-will-happe... has been called into serious question by Universities in Scotland http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-scotland-pol...
Vote - 800,000 Scottish born voters don't get to vote, but the 400,000 rUK born do? Does that seem fair to you? Especially if they have only moved for work, and are likely to be pro-Union so have been excluded deliberately.
Shipping jobs - how iScotland could ever hope to keep or replace the UK government orders, I have no idea. To suggest that rUK would continue to provide Navy contracts to an independent Scotland is mad. http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-27030447
Why not ship them out to Korea or similar, like they are doing with the auxiliary ships? http://www.royalnavy.mod.uk/News-and-Events/Latest...
ViperPict said:
McWigglebum4th said:
ViperPict said:
McWigglebum4th said:
ViperPict said:
Self-confessed trolling...
Remind us again why you are your buddy oneblackswan got banned from the thread in NPE?Well post in it dear troll
Your voice would also be good to be heard in THIS thread.
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
Maybe you could share your views to others on that thread i've just linked for you.
jith said:
I'm aware of all that, but that's not one company needing 2 sets of accounts because they're trading in Scotland, is it?
If you have two operations in two tax jurisdictions then it does complicate things - not just in terms of accounts but also legal control.You would need to submit two sets of accounts and company returns if operating cross border with a local ubsiduary - one set to Companies House in UK and one to the equivalent in Scotland (presumably "Companies House Scotland" the way they are naming things at present).
The same would apply to the HMRC and "HMRC Scotland" with regard to the equivalent of a CT600 return.
It's not a big deal for larger companies - it's a disproportionate hassle for small ones.
simoid said:
ViperPict said:
You have to accept that not everyone will have an opinion that falls in line exactly with your own.
Yes.Perhaps you could do that without insulting them, or consistently lowering the tone of debate by suggesting that they disagree with you simply because they loved Brian Laudrup and Paul Gascoigne when they were getting into football.
ViperPict said:
simoid said:
ViperPict said:
You have to accept that not everyone will have an opinion that falls in line exactly with your own.
Yes.Perhaps you could do that without insulting them, or consistently lowering the tone of debate by suggesting that they disagree with you simply because they loved Brian Laudrup and Paul Gascoigne when they were getting into football.
simoid said:
ViperPict said:
simoid said:
ViperPict said:
You have to accept that not everyone will have an opinion that falls in line exactly with your own.
Yes.Perhaps you could do that without insulting them, or consistently lowering the tone of debate by suggesting that they disagree with you simply because they loved Brian Laudrup and Paul Gascoigne when they were getting into football.
ViperPict said:
Oh dear Lord...
Don't worry about it VP, just focus on telling us something useful like what would be the best option as a Plan B if the rUK won't do a currency union. Or take the one about how Scotland would get by if excluded from the EU for a while. Plenty more to come but just give us some thoughts on those as a started.Plan B is to revert to a barter system as Scotland will be unique amongst world economies in not being able to come up with any currency at all.
While we wait for the EU to remember it is constitutionally set up to include all European countries who abide by the rules of law, we will no doubt exchange friendly fire with the border guards at Berwick who are blocking the line of refugees leaving the country (while of course Romanians and free-tuition seeking English students tunnel in the opposite direction)
While we wait for the EU to remember it is constitutionally set up to include all European countries who abide by the rules of law, we will no doubt exchange friendly fire with the border guards at Berwick who are blocking the line of refugees leaving the country (while of course Romanians and free-tuition seeking English students tunnel in the opposite direction)
Siscar said:
ViperPict said:
Oh dear Lord...
Don't worry about it VP, just focus on telling us something useful like what would be the best option as a Plan B if the rUK won't do a currency union. Or take the one about how Scotland would get by if excluded from the EU for a while. Plenty more to come but just give us some thoughts on those as a started.ViperPict said:
Firstly, this is not the topic of this thread. Secondly, these are not issues that will convince me (or many other Scots) to vote NO. Not least because they are being used as 'firepower' by Project Fear (which is what they are doing in relation to the examples you give). Thirdly, why are you posting in a regional PH forum that you are not related to? Are the arch-unionists on PH attempting to close ranks and shore up the 'debate'? I thought you didn't care about the result of the referendum? You seem awfully involved in the debate and very much biased to the unionist side...
So take your own advice. Are you bogging off if Scotland votes Yes?ViperPict said:
Firstly, this is not the topic of this thread. Secondly, these are not issues that will convince me (or many other Scots) to vote NO. Not least because they are being used as 'firepower' by Project Fear (which is what they are doing in relation to the examples you give). Thirdly, why are you posting in a regional PH forum that you are not related to? Are the arch-unionists on PH attempting to close ranks and shore up the 'debate'? I thought you didn't care about the result of the referendum? You seem awfully involved in the debate and very much biased to the unionist side...
All of which is another way of saying you have no idea. Independence with no clue even what currency you would use, god help you.I'm not a unionist, I'm a democrat, vote for what you want, but it's quite sad how some Scots are sleep walking into this when there are so many questions unanswered.
NailedOn said:
ViperPict said:
Firstly, this is not the topic of this thread. Secondly, these are not issues that will convince me (or many other Scots) to vote NO. Not least because they are being used as 'firepower' by Project Fear (which is what they are doing in relation to the examples you give). Thirdly, why are you posting in a regional PH forum that you are not related to? Are the arch-unionists on PH attempting to close ranks and shore up the 'debate'? I thought you didn't care about the result of the referendum? You seem awfully involved in the debate and very much biased to the unionist side...
So take your own advice. Are you bogging off if Scotland votes Yes?Siscar said:
ViperPict said:
Firstly, this is not the topic of this thread. Secondly, these are not issues that will convince me (or many other Scots) to vote NO. Not least because they are being used as 'firepower' by Project Fear (which is what they are doing in relation to the examples you give). Thirdly, why are you posting in a regional PH forum that you are not related to? Are the arch-unionists on PH attempting to close ranks and shore up the 'debate'? I thought you didn't care about the result of the referendum? You seem awfully involved in the debate and very much biased to the unionist side...
All of which is another way of saying you have no idea. Independence with no clue even what currency you would use, god help you.I'm not a unionist, I'm a democrat, vote for what you want, but it's quite sad how some Scots are sleep walking into this when there are so many questions unanswered.
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