Who is bogging off after the YES vote?

[jamieduff1981]

ViperPict said:

Dryce said:

ViperPict said:

+1

I cannot settle for the mediocrity of staying within the UK.

As the way of the world goes - the UK is far from mediocre.

Rubbish. I've lived in other parts of the world and the UK is extremely mediocre. And future even more so. Unless Scotland becomes independent, in which case the whole UK will get a much needed kick up the @rse.

I think you'll find that most people in the world would disagree with you strongly.

[ViperPict]

Edinburger said:

ViperPict said:

And did you notice the contrasting headlines in the UK and Scottish editions of the Mirror today?

To be fair VP, those are two different and unrelated stories. It's just that they both happen to be about pensions.

I appreciate that they are not the same story but the fact that in England the story warns of 'pension issues' while the Scottish story implicitly suggests we are better off sticking with those problems exemplifies the nature of the no campaign.

[ViperPict]

jamieduff1981 said:

ViperPict said:

Dryce said:

ViperPict said:

+1

I cannot settle for the mediocrity of staying within the UK.

As the way of the world goes - the UK is far from mediocre.

Rubbish. I've lived in other parts of the world and the UK is extremely mediocre. And future even more so. Unless Scotland becomes independent, in which case the whole UK will get a much needed kick up the @rse.

I think you'll find that most people in the world would disagree with you strongly.

I disagree. Not once they've actually lived in the UK.

[simoid]

ViperPict said:

Rubbish. I've lived in other parts of the world and the UK is extremely mediocre. And future even more so. Unless Scotland becomes independent, in which case the whole UK will get a much needed kick up the @rse.

Could you perhaps give us an example of where you have lived that is better than Scotland, and why?

[ViperPict]

simoid said:

ViperPict said:

Rubbish. I've lived in other parts of the world and the UK is extremely mediocre. And future even more so. Unless Scotland becomes independent, in which case the whole UK will get a much needed kick up the @rse.

Could you perhaps give us an example of where you have lived that is better than Scotland, and why?

I never said better than Scotland, I said better than the UK.

[jamieduff1981]

ViperPict said:

simoid said:

ViperPict said:

Rubbish. I've lived in other parts of the world and the UK is extremely mediocre. And future even more so. Unless Scotland becomes independent, in which case the whole UK will get a much needed kick up the @rse.

Could you perhaps give us an example of where you have lived that is better than Scotland, and why?

I never said better than Scotland, I said better than the UK.

At the moment it's the same thing.

Are you actually suggesting that someone who moves here from Rwanda is going to say "F*** me, the UK is mediocre compared to Rwanda"?

[simoid]

ViperPict said:

I never said better than Scotland, I said better than the UK.

So what was your point? We're on about Scotland's future.

Scotland is a great place to live, yes?

[Dryce]

ViperPict said:

I appreciate that they are not the same story but the fact that in England the story warns of 'pension issues' while the Scottish story implicitly suggests we are better off sticking with those problems exemplifies the nature of the no campaign.

Or maybe your reading of it.

The only real difference is that the situation in Scotland puts an additional spin on it. UK (inc. Scotland) have a general problem. The headline in Scotland is on an additional 'problem'.

The underlying UK problems with pensions don't go away with independence and there are some additional issues with the population age and working profile that may make things worse.

[ViperPict]

simoid said:

ViperPict said:

I never said better than Scotland, I said better than the UK.

So what was your point? We're on about Scotland's future.

Scotland is a great place to live, yes?

Scotland, I believe, could be a much better place to live. Comparable with other better places I've lived. That's what I don't understand about the unionist stance - happy to accept the UK that's just OK, at best.

[Dryce]

ViperPict said:

Scotland, I believe, could be a much better place to live. Comparable with other better places I've lived. That's what I don't understand about the unionist stance - happy to accept the UK that's just OK, at best.

What better places have you lived? If they were better why didn't you stay?

I can think of more losses than gains if things change - so on balance I don't believe that Scotland will be a better place should it separate. And the risks are that it will be much diminished. A romantic ideal that it will be better isn't a good basis for such a fundamental decision.

Edited by Dryce on Wednesday 23 April 13:47

[simoid]

ViperPict said:

Scotland, I believe, could be a much better place to live. Comparable with other better places I've lived. That's what I don't understand about the unionist stance - happy to accept the UK that's just OK, at best.

Where's better and why?

[Siscar]

For many people Home is the best place to live, wherever that may be.

[OlberJ]

Straw pole to satisfy my curiosity. Out of the Noers on here, how many of you are Rangers fans?

I know there's a few of you that are but i'm just curious.

Edit to add, must be able to vote in the referendum.

[jamieduff1981]

I'm not a football fan full-stop. If I were, I doubt I'd be a Rangers fan.

[ViperPict]

simoid said:

ViperPict said:

Scotland, I believe, could be a much better place to live. Comparable with other better places I've lived. That's what I don't understand about the unionist stance - happy to accept the UK that's just OK, at best.

Where's better and why?

California.

Need I say why?

[ViperPict]

OlberJ said:

Straw pole to satisfy my curiosity. Out of the Noers on here, how many of you are Rangers fans?

I know there's a few of you that are but i'm just curious.

Edit to add, must be able to vote in the referendum.

Oh don't go there - Simoid will accuse you of being sectarian and try and get you banned!

But, of the Scottish-based ones, I'd say a lot of them are.

[deadslow]

Once all the bog-offers have bogged off, the rest of us will just need to get on with living in a spirit of friendly co-operation in one of the best small countires on earth. Can't wait

[simoid]

ViperPict said:

California.

Need I say why?

Go on then.

Weather? Gun crime? Some of the worst traffic on earth? The road up to San Francisco from LA?

[Dryce]

ViperPict said:

California.

Need I say why?

Yes.

Do you foresee Scotland aspiring to have a broke state government, relatively high state taxes, no NHS, death penalty, gun ownership, violent crime rates, immigration issues, limited welfare state, and cross border smuggling?

Is Califonia *that* bad. Well no. Especially if you are well off enough to make choices as to where you live and you have your health benefits with your job.

I daresay that if they could spare a bit sunshine for us it wouldn't go amiss.

However I suspect that it's the sunshine people think of - rather than the functioning of the state in terms of social, welfare, health, and crime.

So I don't think it was a good answer. Applying Californian policies to Scotland certainly wouldn't result in the romantic vision of a 'Better Scotland'. We don't have the sunshine to make up for that.

Want to try again? Where else is better?

[simoid]

OlberJ said:

Straw pole to satisfy my curiosity. Out of the Noers on here, how many of you are Rangers fans?

I know there's a few of you that are but i'm just curious.

Edit to add, must be able to vote in the referendum.

WATP