Who is bogging off after the YES vote?
Discussion
fluffnik said:
OlberJ said:
I don't think we're a nation of idiots, different to the rest of the world, unable to run our own affairs.
This is it. Unless we are uniquely incapable, and we're not, there is NO excuse for not running our own affairs.
Nobody is saying incapable, nobody is saying it's not possible, you are just making up an insult where none exists - a sad reflection on the Nationalist mentality.
OlberJ said:
In 1707?
Dont be an idiot or do you only read the last half of a sentence all the time?Perhaps you are simply stuck in the past?
OlberJ said:
There are a lot of rUKers who want to see the back of Scotland. There are a lot who want to hang on to us because they "own" us.
The love-bombing hardly set the heather alight did it?
There are clearly a lot of Scots who want to see the back of the English and specifically Tories as well; however im fairly sure they are in the minority and this whole sorry affair will be put to bed soon enough.The love-bombing hardly set the heather alight did it?
simoid said:
I have total faith in Scotland to stand on our own two feet, but it would very much prefer it was on solid concrete instead of the shifting mud and sands that would be the foundations of an independent Scotland.
I don't see Westminster rule and the set up we have as solid concrete.Things were very bad a few years ago, lest we forget.
I just don't see why you have faith in the governments that value London above all else. Do you think they're stupid or generous or would you like to move down there and be friends with them?
barryrs said:
There are clearly a lot of Scots who want to see the back of the English and specifically Tories as well; however im fairly sure they are in the minority and this whole sorry affair will be put to bed soon enough.
We don't want to see the end of England or Tories. We're not even looking to come down and take over the place for ourselves (well, not just yet). We just don't want them running our lives.If this was a vote to put another party in charge of the UK and to be ruled from Edinburgh, you'd be cool with that?
The only NOs I've met that were vocal about it have been those who sing about how much they love britain at the weekends. Overall, I think they'll be in the minority come the 18th September.
OlberJ said:
I don't see Westminster rule and the set up we have as solid concrete.
Things were very bad a few years ago, lest we forget.
I just don't see why you have faith in the governments that value London above all else. Do you think they're stupid or generous or would you like to move down there and be friends with them?
In what sense were things 'very bad' a very years ago? Are you talking about a recession brought on, not least, but the ludicrous actions of the Royal Bank of Scotland in over-expanding particularly in their overpriced takeover of ABN-AMRO backed by Alex Salmond?Things were very bad a few years ago, lest we forget.
I just don't see why you have faith in the governments that value London above all else. Do you think they're stupid or generous or would you like to move down there and be friends with them?
Who values 'London above all else'? Are we talking about the majority of MPs would represent areas outside London?
You are just posting prejudicious nonsense.
OlberJ said:
Again, out of interest, is there anything that says BAE etc will keep building ships on the Clyde in the event of a no vote?
Alan?
BAE have two 15 year contracts which started in 2009, I believe for future work for mod ships.Alan?
They were given a 4 year £104 million contract in 2010 to develop the new T26 fleet and the designs are currently bearing the final stages.
With first steel cutting expected by next year.
They are expecting to transform the Scotston yard into the new yard for the T26, Govan is not owned by BAE but rented and would continue with other roles.
I have asked my friend, however, for more information on the matter and will report back when he replies.
The Portsmouth docks will still continue to service and maintain ships and is the likely home of the new QE class carriers, the ship building section is still capable of being given the T26 order and the following funds to rebuild the yard to suit.
Siscar said:
You are just posting prejudicious nonsense.
Well as long as you've spoken to make that clear. I bow to thee and your rulings. That's how it works, right?You're rather selective with your blaming of the bank issue. It was all Eck's fault eh? He must be good to be running all those companies and have so much say in how they operate. Not to mention how it was dealt with when things went bristols skywards. He's something else that Evil Eck.
So in the event of a Yes vote, are you welcoming down all these doom mongers or will you be voting in UKIP who might just view them as johnny foreigners?
Where is it you happen to live btw?
A.J.M said:
BAE have two 15 year contracts which started in 2009, I believe for future work for mod ships.
They were given a 4 year £104 million contract in 2010 to develop the new T26 fleet and the designs are currently bearing the final stages.
With first steel cutting expected by next year.
They are expecting to transform the Scotston yard into the new yard for the T26, Govan is not owned by BAE but rented and would continue with other roles.
I have asked my friend, however, for more information on the matter and will report back when he replies.
The Portsmouth docks will still continue to service and maintain ships and is the likely home of the new QE class carriers, the ship building section is still capable of being given the T26 order and the following funds to rebuild the yard to suit.
So it doesn't matter if it's a yes or a no, the building will continue up here until 2024. Then they can move it to Portsmouth if they like.They were given a 4 year £104 million contract in 2010 to develop the new T26 fleet and the designs are currently bearing the final stages.
With first steel cutting expected by next year.
They are expecting to transform the Scotston yard into the new yard for the T26, Govan is not owned by BAE but rented and would continue with other roles.
I have asked my friend, however, for more information on the matter and will report back when he replies.
The Portsmouth docks will still continue to service and maintain ships and is the likely home of the new QE class carriers, the ship building section is still capable of being given the T26 order and the following funds to rebuild the yard to suit.
We don't get a say in the matter.
Why would that make you vote No?
OlberJ said:
Well as long as you've spoken to make that clear. I bow to thee and your rulings. That's how it works, right?
You're rather selective with your blaming of the bank issue. It was all Eck's fault eh? He must be good to be running all those companies and have so much say in how they operate. Not to mention how it was dealt with when things went bristols skywards. He's something else that Evil Eck.
It wasn't all his fault but attributing it all to others is nonsense, you are trying to blame everything on the English but the problem was as much Scottish as anyone else's.You're rather selective with your blaming of the bank issue. It was all Eck's fault eh? He must be good to be running all those companies and have so much say in how they operate. Not to mention how it was dealt with when things went bristols skywards. He's something else that Evil Eck.
OlberJ said:
So in the event of a Yes vote, are you welcoming down all these doom mongers or will you be voting in UKIP who might just view them as johnny foreigners?
If you'd try and do that in an understandable sentence I might try and answer.OlberJ said:
Where is it you happen to live btw?
It depends on which house I'm in at the time. I hold a British passport though just as, I assume, you do.OlberJ said:
A.J.M said:
BAE have two 15 year contracts which started in 2009, I believe for future work for mod ships.
They were given a 4 year £104 million contract in 2010 to develop the new T26 fleet and the designs are currently bearing the final stages.
With first steel cutting expected by next year.
They are expecting to transform the Scotston yard into the new yard for the T26, Govan is not owned by BAE but rented and would continue with other roles.
I have asked my friend, however, for more information on the matter and will report back when he replies.
The Portsmouth docks will still continue to service and maintain ships and is the likely home of the new QE class carriers, the ship building section is still capable of being given the T26 order and the following funds to rebuild the yard to suit.
So it doesn't matter if it's a yes or a no, the building will continue up here until 2024. Then they can move it to Portsmouth if they like.They were given a 4 year £104 million contract in 2010 to develop the new T26 fleet and the designs are currently bearing the final stages.
With first steel cutting expected by next year.
They are expecting to transform the Scotston yard into the new yard for the T26, Govan is not owned by BAE but rented and would continue with other roles.
I have asked my friend, however, for more information on the matter and will report back when he replies.
The Portsmouth docks will still continue to service and maintain ships and is the likely home of the new QE class carriers, the ship building section is still capable of being given the T26 order and the following funds to rebuild the yard to suit.
We don't get a say in the matter.
Why would that make you vote No?
OlberJ said:
Siscar said:
It wasn't all his fault but attributing it all to others is nonsense, you are trying to blame everything on the English but the problem was as much Scottish as anyone else's.
So it's gone from Eck leading us all into a recession to everyone's fault?
OlberJ said:
A.J.M said:
BAE have two 15 year contracts which started in 2009, I believe for future work for mod ships.
They were given a 4 year £104 million contract in 2010 to develop the new T26 fleet and the designs are currently bearing the final stages.
With first steel cutting expected by next year.
They are expecting to transform the Scotston yard into the new yard for the T26, Govan is not owned by BAE but rented and would continue with other roles.
I have asked my friend, however, for more information on the matter and will report back when he replies.
The Portsmouth docks will still continue to service and maintain ships and is the likely home of the new QE class carriers, the ship building section is still capable of being given the T26 order and the following funds to rebuild the yard to suit.
So it doesn't matter if it's a yes or a no, the building will continue up here until 2024. Then they can move it to Portsmouth if they like.They were given a 4 year £104 million contract in 2010 to develop the new T26 fleet and the designs are currently bearing the final stages.
With first steel cutting expected by next year.
They are expecting to transform the Scotston yard into the new yard for the T26, Govan is not owned by BAE but rented and would continue with other roles.
I have asked my friend, however, for more information on the matter and will report back when he replies.
The Portsmouth docks will still continue to service and maintain ships and is the likely home of the new QE class carriers, the ship building section is still capable of being given the T26 order and the following funds to rebuild the yard to suit.
k did you come up with the conclusion that BAE will build ships in scotland until 2024 considering the highlighted parts?OlberJ said:
So it doesn't matter if it's a yes or a no, the building will continue up here until 2024. Then they can move it to Portsmouth if they like.
We don't get a say in the matter.
Why would that make you vote No?
They have contracts to build ships, maintain them and upgrade them.We don't get a say in the matter.
Why would that make you vote No?
They currently have 3 yards to choose from to build those ships.
The preferred option is Scotland and that's done a fair bit of the QE carriers and is a good yard.
They have said, that should Scotland vote yes, they will speak to the contract provider, which is the MOD, who will follow article 346.
BAE have stated that they are waiting till after September to see what way the vote goes, then make the final choice from that, however as said. They are preferring it to come to Glasgow.
I'm voting no, not because of some ships. But for the huge list that was put up a few pages ago and not answered by yessers.
There are too many holes in the yes groups plans, finances and projections for me to accept them.
Why should I vote yes when no one here is trying to answer the questions that are being put forward to the yessers.
Siscar said:
You really are a Nat aren't you. No matter what anyone says you will misinterpret it and misstate it. Presumably it is a deliberate tactic, you can't be unable to understand... surely?
Tetchy, tetchy.Read what you've written. I haven't mis-stated anything.
Of course i'm a Nat. I think that would be pretty clear from what I've written. I'm open to find out why people are bogging off after a Yes vote though, hence posting in the thread. This a bit confusing for you?
OlberJ said:
barryrs said:
There are clearly a lot of Scots who want to see the back of the English and specifically Tories as well; however im fairly sure they are in the minority and this whole sorry affair will be put to bed soon enough.
We don't want to see the end of England or Tories. We're not even looking to come down and take over the place for ourselves (well, not just yet). We just don't want them running our lives.OlberJ said:
If this was a vote to put another party in charge of the UK and to be ruled from Edinburgh, you'd be cool with that?
If it was a UK wide vote via democratic means then yes of course i will accept a change in party. I have never voted Labour but still accept that the people had spoken.With regards to being ruled from Edinburgh; i really and genuinely wouldnt mind. Why should it matter where our MP's are based?
Perhaps if parliament was moved to the midlands some Scottish folk wouldnt feel like they were being governed from afar even though we live on a small island.
OlberJ said:
Tetchy, tetchy.Read what you've written. I haven't mis-stated anything.
Of course i'm a Nat. I think that would be pretty clear from what I've written. I'm open to find out why people are bogging off after a Yes vote though, hence posting in the thread. This a bit confusing for you?
Care to enlighten us - it rUK did refuse a currency union what do you think the Plan B for Scotland should be?
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