Who is bogging off after the YES vote?

[ViperPict]

Pooh said:

A.J.M said:

I'm off.

I didn't vote for the SNP, i never asked for this vote to happen. I have no wish for it to happen however, should a minority of people vote it though. I'm off.

The sad fact is Canada doesn't allow tdv6 D3's in. So that will have to go to a new owner.

Still, i can get either a V8 D3 or maybe an early 5.0 V8 D4 to enjoy.
Plus Alfie can enjoy the West coast as i have mate's in Langley so i'm off there. Skiing is nearby as well.
I have no real ties here, nothing to hold me back, so i can head away.

There is overwhelming evidence this has all the makings of a car crash.
Huge holes in budget's, false claims of fast tracking, extra costs to electricity, job worries. The list is long and can't be labled as "Scaremongering"

Don't worry about the door. I'll be taking that thing clean off it's hinges when i leave.

Absolutely spot on
Canada sounds good or maybe the U.S. when my company opens its new base there.
You only have to read the posts on here from the Scottish Numpty Party supporters to understand how much of a disaster it will be.

Bye then.

[A.J.M]

Yes Viperpict. A minority!

A vocal, with rather unpleasant attitudes minority.
The worst part of this stupid idea is it's opened up a rift between 2 countries for no good reason.
There will be feelings of resentment over this, which saddens me.

However, I like Canada.
The scenery is lovely, the people are nice, the girls like Scottish accents and I can run a V8.

PH Canadian curry meet anyone?

[paulqv]

My main concern is the quality of people who would govern us. I know people slag off westminster, but the usual rule is that those who have talent go there those who don't remain in Edinburgh. Do I really find the current SNP administration competent? Could they lead our country successfully? Do we need to duplicate a bureaucracy to provide identical services to what we have now?

I Cant think of one single reason for independence. If we have it someone is going to have to pay for a vast duplicate civil service.

I have heard this 'it is our oil' argument for 40 plus years. If that is the best argument they have, then what about the rest of the economy? It is like saying, my parents re rich, when they die I will be rich! Doesn't suggest much independence, just the squandering of a resource for its own ends.

There are no statesmen in Edinburgh, just politicians.

Paul

[Pooh]

ViperPict said:

Pooh said:

A.J.M said:

I'm off.

I didn't vote for the SNP, i never asked for this vote to happen. I have no wish for it to happen however, should a minority of people vote it though. I'm off.

The sad fact is Canada doesn't allow tdv6 D3's in. So that will have to go to a new owner.

Still, i can get either a V8 D3 or maybe an early 5.0 V8 D4 to enjoy.
Plus Alfie can enjoy the West coast as i have mate's in Langley so i'm off there. Skiing is nearby as well.
I have no real ties here, nothing to hold me back, so i can head away.

There is overwhelming evidence this has all the makings of a car crash.
Huge holes in budget's, false claims of fast tracking, extra costs to electricity, job worries. The list is long and can't be labled as "Scaremongering"

Don't worry about the door. I'll be taking that thing clean off it's hinges when i leave.

Absolutely spot on
Canada sounds good or maybe the U.S. when my company opens its new base there.
You only have to read the posts on here from the Scottish Numpty Party supporters to understand how much of a disaster it will be.

Bye then.

I won't miss you and your idiocy.

[Mr Trophy]

Being in financial services, I am actually stting myself that it goes YES.

I know I will be voting NO.

[Robert Burns]

A.J.M said:

PH Canadian curry meet anyone?

Totally up for that, I know of a great place in Edmonton, then then afterwards I know a pub that sells Irn Bru!

[RDM]

paulqv said:

My main concern is the quality of people who would govern us.

There are no statesmen in Edinburgh, just jumped up shop stewards who were too lazy
to put a proper shift in.

Paul

Spot On (And edited for accuracy! )

Edited by RDM on Saturday 12th April 21:11

Edited by RDM on Saturday 12th April 21:11

[KaiserDahms]

It looks like it's going to a no vote anyway so nothing to worry about. The snp have ballsed up the campaign and their speeches make no sense. They are no different from any party, they promise that everything would be better, nobody will starve, house for everyone, life will be perfect. I call bs on this, even the richest countries in the world have problems. At least the tories going in said things would be grim.

The snp say that scotland could run things better themselves, look at the bloody trams in edinburgh, now they're wanting trams going to glasgow airport now. Look at how they wasted money on redesigning george square only to keep it the exact same. These people will still be in those jobs after independence so what difference does it make??

also in regards to being an ex pat in canada, too cold, new Zealand or Australia would be my choices, better weather.

[ViperPict]

A.J.M said:

Yes Viperpict. A minority!

A vocal, with rather unpleasant attitudes minority.
The worst part of this stupid idea is it's opened up a rift between 2 countries for no good reason.
There will be feelings of resentment over this, which saddens me.

However, I like Canada.
The scenery is lovely, the people are nice, the girls like Scottish accents and I can run a V8.

PH Canadian curry meet anyone?

How can a minority win a majority, in the event of a yes vote?!

[ViperPict]

Pooh said:

ViperPict said:

Pooh said:

A.J.M said:

I'm off.

I didn't vote for the SNP, i never asked for this vote to happen. I have no wish for it to happen however, should a minority of people vote it though. I'm off.

The sad fact is Canada doesn't allow tdv6 D3's in. So that will have to go to a new owner.

Still, i can get either a V8 D3 or maybe an early 5.0 V8 D4 to enjoy.
Plus Alfie can enjoy the West coast as i have mate's in Langley so i'm off there. Skiing is nearby as well.
I have no real ties here, nothing to hold me back, so i can head away.

There is overwhelming evidence this has all the makings of a car crash.
Huge holes in budget's, false claims of fast tracking, extra costs to electricity, job worries. The list is long and can't be labled as "Scaremongering"

Don't worry about the door. I'll be taking that thing clean off it's hinges when i leave.

Absolutely spot on
Canada sounds good or maybe the U.S. when my company opens its new base there.
You only have to read the posts on here from the Scottish Numpty Party supporters to understand how much of a disaster it will be.

Bye then.

I won't miss you and your idiocy.

The childish idiocy is the petulant 'well I'm leaving' attitude in the event of the vote not going the way you want. Like, before you have any clue what an independent Scotland will actually be like! It is an insane and childish attitude. If there is a no vote then I'll take it on the chin and get on with life. In my home country.

Please also note that you cannot just choose a country to go and live in.

[A.J.M]

Robert Burns said:

A.J.M said:

PH Canadian curry meet anyone?

Totally up for that, I know of a great place in Edmonton, then then afterwards I know a pub that sells Irn Bru!

Sold!

I know there is a good landy community out West so I'll be fine that way.

Viper, there are enough people who may still turn a currently minority into a majority.

There are very few cases for a Yes, there is huge case for voting no.

I'm young enough and have enough backing cash to head off and not worry about the vote.
I've already checked and I'm eligible for Canada.

Edited by A.J.M on Saturday 12th April 21:53

[Dryce]

steelej said:

Where do you think all the oil, gas and whisky money goes?

It goes into the economic mix. And if Scotland gets separated then it goes into a smaller economic mix.

Net benefit of the smaller economic mix won't necessarily be better than net benefit from the current economic nix.

Oil is a commodity. It's price is subject to change. In the 80s I can recall rigs being parked round the coast and house prices falling in Aberdeen.

So if Oil is significant part of your smaller economic mix the good times may indeed be good. But the bad times will be significantly worse.

And Scotland won't just inherit its assets into that economic mix - it will also inherit a massive debt. So 'significantly worse' may well be beyond anything any of us have experienced if we're economically too tied to commdity prices.

steelej said:

And Quebec isn't a country, it's Canada, a bit like Texas wanting independance from the rest of the US.

Quebec isn't Canada. It's a governed province within Canada. In that sense it's not much different from a devolved Scotland within the UK with additional linguistic differences with its parent state.

And it voted no. Just.

[buachaille193]

ViperPict said:

How can a minority win a majority, in the event of a yes vote?!

A minority of the electorate vote (because the others don't see the point). A majority of that minority vote for one outcome. That's the outcome that wins.

[buachaille193]

paulqv said:

My main concern is the quality of people who would govern us. I know people slag off westminster, but the usual rule is that those who have talent go there those who don't remain in Edinburgh.

There are no statesmen in Edinburgh, just politicians.

Paul

Paul,

Don't worry. Think of all the good politicians that are in London but will be out of a job. All those Scottish Westminster MPs.

They do a great job...oh.

Duncan

[buachaille193]

paulqv said:

Do I really find the current SNP administration competent?

Don't forget that there will be an election for the Scottish Parliament not too far in the future. At that point, we can choose who governs us.

People view this as a referendum on whether we want the SNP to govern us for eternity. It's not. It's a referendum on independence from the UK. Who knows who will win the first election after the referendum?

[ViperPict]

buachaille193 said:

ViperPict said:

How can a minority win a majority, in the event of a yes vote?!

A minority of the electorate vote (because the others don't see the point). A majority of that minority vote for one outcome. That's the outcome that wins.

That's the mechanism of democracy I'm afraid. So you are implying a yes vote would be as a result of the complacency of unionists?

[ViperPict]

buachaille193 said:

paulqv said:

Do I really find the current SNP administration competent?

Don't forget that there will be an election for the Scottish Parliament not too far in the future. At that point, we can choose who governs us.

People view this as a referendum on whether we want the SNP to govern us for eternity. It's not. It's a referendum on independence from the UK. Who knows who will win the first election after the referendum?

Absolutely!! It is so much more important than the short term political debate many regard it as. Not unreasonably I guess; the only point of reference we really have is a general election.

[buachaille193]

ViperPict said:

That's the mechanism of democracy I'm afraid. So you are implying a yes vote would be as a result of the complacency of unionists?

No. All I'm doing is answering your question. Not claiming complacency by either side, more just complacency by the electorate, who frequently can't be bothered to vote in any election.

[GoneAnon]

KaiserDahms said:

The snp say that scotland could run things better themselves, look at the bloody trams in edinburgh, now they're wanting trams going to glasgow airport now. Look at how they wasted money on redesigning george square only to keep it the exact same. These people will still be in those jobs after independence so what difference does it make??

All great examples of major-league fk-ups by Westminster-based parties.

Edinburgh Trams - Labour and Lib Dems gave these the go-ahead, then they, along with Edinburgh Council, lost control of the project and the budget (shades of Holyrood?) The SNP came to power as a minority government and tried to cancel the trams to save £1.1bn, but the unionist parties forced the single line through. The SNP took control of the project and they are nearly in service now.
Trams to Glasgow Airport - what's wrong with looking at a way to get people to/from aiport/city centre? Especially when it is projected to cost less than half the Labour/Liberal GARL scheme?
George Square - Labour city council project.

Of course, you could also have mentioned the Scottish Parliament building - Westminster Labour picked a site and an architect and awarded contracts without a design, then got surprised when the prices went up every time they made a change. But it was the Scottish block grant that had to pay for it so that's OK then.

[ViperPict]

buachaille193 said:

ViperPict said:

That's the mechanism of democracy I'm afraid. So you are implying a yes vote would be as a result of the complacency of unionists?

No. All I'm doing is answering your question. Not claiming complacency by either side, more just complacency by the electorate, who frequently can't be bothered to vote in any election.

Unless you make voting mandatory then that's what elections are like. And there's no point in anyone greeting about it in the event that the result is not to their liking. It will be a majority of, presumably, a representative sample of the electorate. Like all UK elections.