Who is bogging off after the YES vote?
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Edinburger said:
Because some idiot created a duplicate thread in the Scotland group. It's attracted different posters so I've double posted to obtain different views.
No i posted a thread about who is escaping your free workers republic of Salmondland as they belive everything project fear is telling them.If you and your fellow YES voters are too stupid to read a thread title that isn't my problem
You lot suddenly thought this thread was oppressing you so you dragged it off topic
Edited by McWigglebum4th on Tuesday 6th May 13:46
A.J.M said:
I brought it up to show the ugly side of this "debate".
I find it rather effective at showing that.
Look through the 15 pages and you'll see plenty of people speak up saying a NO vote is selfish, not a true Scottish person etc etc, a few f
k offs and plenty of don't let your arse hit you on the way out.
A them and us, you're either with us, or against us mentality.
Yet strangely, almost no answers to any questions out to them, but plenty of demands when told facts about proving it or apologise.
Vote any way you like, for whatever reasons.
I just find it strange how 3 possible yes voters are being totally ignored instead of plenty of evidence shown to them by answering questions.
Strange, or to be expected.
And this thread isn't about should we vote yes or noI find it rather effective at showing that.
Look through the 15 pages and you'll see plenty of people speak up saying a NO vote is selfish, not a true Scottish person etc etc, a few f
k offs and plenty of don't let your arse hit you on the way out.A them and us, you're either with us, or against us mentality.
Yet strangely, almost no answers to any questions out to them, but plenty of demands when told facts about proving it or apologise.
Vote any way you like, for whatever reasons.
I just find it strange how 3 possible yes voters are being totally ignored instead of plenty of evidence shown to them by answering questions.
Strange, or to be expected.
it is about who is leaving after the vast majority of true scots vote for freedom from english oppression
gofasterrosssco said:
I don't have anything in common with someone educated at Eton, and it's a lovely characature to present (not like we haven't heard it before) to people to show how alien these people are to us up North. Does that make them unsuitable politicians? Does someone have to come from a working class background to gain credibility, like Thatcher?
A YES vote will ensure we only have total retards running the countryNo rich b
ds will be allowed into HolyroodViperPict said:
I believe the no vote is largely based on the privileged wanting to maintain their privilege. Gambling with the lives of the less privileged.
There has also been significant verbal abuse and vandalism from unionists - it is not restricted to one side of the debate but is a fringe minority in both.
Well donate your viper to charityThere has also been significant verbal abuse and vandalism from unionists - it is not restricted to one side of the debate but is a fringe minority in both.
or are you exempt from giving up their privilege
And you you wee arse are gambling with thousands of jobs
You don't give a f
k if you destroy lives as you think you are something specialViperPict said:
But we all know that the promises of more powers are hollow. The Westminster parties can pledge whatever they want in their manifestos but these new powers would still have to go through Westminster procedure. Given recently revealed public attitudes, those new powers are never going to be accepted by the English electorate (and all parties will be trying to gain favour in the run-up to a GE). And Westminster can remove any aspect of devolution any time that it chooses. We are far better voting YES.
Those SCUM in wastemonster HATE us and they will stop at nothing to destroy scotlandThey are evil evil evil b
dsTotal SCUM
They are all evil
etc etc and so on
HOWEVER
The entire independence case put forward by the nationalists is
Westminster loves us and will give us everything we want
ViperPict said:
I never said anyone had to give up their privilege. I said that the no vote is influenced by those who (perhaps understandably) want to maintain their's (see the difference?).
My position is that there is minimal risk to anyone's standard of living in terms of voting yes and a considerable advantage to many less fortunate.
Minimal risk to anyoneMy position is that there is minimal risk to anyone's standard of living in terms of voting yes and a considerable advantage to many less fortunate.
Okay
Explain how the shipyards on the Clyde will continue with shipbuilding orders from westminster
And i've had a sudden realization
You think you are poor and oppressed
Edited by McWigglebum4th on Monday 25th August 08:12
ViperPict said:
If there is a YES vote we will sensibly work together to develop the best country we can. Apart from, it would appear, a fringe minority of unionist maniacs who will leave at any cost (i.e. the topic of this thread).
a small fringe that number 700,000 in the last surveyAnd i am not leaving because i love the UK
I am leaving as you and the rest of team guess see zero risk and will act accordingly
Which frankly scares the crap out of me
ViperPict said:
So 700,000 of Scots will leave Scotland after a YES vote? No they won't.
How can you doubt the only newspaper which tells the truthhttp://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/referendum-...
ViperPict said:
McWigglebum4th said:
ViperPict said:
So 700,000 of Scots will leave Scotland after a YES vote? No they won't.
How can you doubt the only newspaper which tells the truthhttp://www.heraldscotland.com/politics/referendum-...
i think it is 700,000 folk not wanting to hang around to enjoy the results
Rollin said:
"SNP claims over an independent Scotland’s membership of the European Union (EU) have been dealt a blow.
European Commission (EC) vice president Vivianne Reding has written two letters to the Scottish Parliament’s European and external relations committee claiming that if any part of the territory of a member state ceases to be a part of that state, European treaties no longer apply to it.
In her correspondence, Ms Reding says that if Scotland votes for independence, Scots will no longer be EU citizens.
The letters contradict the Scottish Government’s independence white paper claim that European treaties would continue to apply to an independent Scotland.
Ms Reding’s comments also contradict the SNP’s arguments that an independent Scotland could bypass the normal EU entry via Article 49 of the Treaty of the European Union, by using Article 48, which provides for a treaty amendment to be agreed by common accord."
Vote for independence and you're out of the EU. It seems better together is correct.
All hereEuropean Commission (EC) vice president Vivianne Reding has written two letters to the Scottish Parliament’s European and external relations committee claiming that if any part of the territory of a member state ceases to be a part of that state, European treaties no longer apply to it.
In her correspondence, Ms Reding says that if Scotland votes for independence, Scots will no longer be EU citizens.
The letters contradict the Scottish Government’s independence white paper claim that European treaties would continue to apply to an independent Scotland.
Ms Reding’s comments also contradict the SNP’s arguments that an independent Scotland could bypass the normal EU entry via Article 49 of the Treaty of the European Union, by using Article 48, which provides for a treaty amendment to be agreed by common accord."
Vote for independence and you're out of the EU. It seems better together is correct.
http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/parliamentarybus...
exitwound said:
Put your heart into this country or get your arse out.. If anyone's going to "bog" out then by all means do it with our blessing, ..we don't need your faint heart.
The problem is the wee council schemie neds who have never worked a day in their life are the ones most likely to vote YES and are hoping to gain the most. they don't have the brains, skills, money, education or motivation to better themselves so will exist forever in scotland adding nothingTory voting traitor scum like myself who are intelligent, educated, skilled and motivated will f
k off quite happilyThe people you need to build a successful scotland are people like me
What you will be left with is feckless wasters
ViperPict said:
We need to have a DEMOCRACY - we do not have that right now. .
You don't have a vote?I do
Everyone in scotland has a vote and have done for the past 100 years
The SNP have existed in scotland for 80 years
Scotland could at any election in the past 80 years voted for the SNP and then we would have the mandate at any election in the past 80 years to remove ourselves from the union.
At no point has the SNP had more then a tiny percentage of scottish MPs
Care to prove me wrong
ViperPict said:
McWigglebum4th said:
exitwound said:
Put your heart into this country or get your arse out.. If anyone's going to "bog" out then by all means do it with our blessing, ..we don't need your faint heart.
The problem is the wee council schemie neds who have never worked a day in their life are the ones most likely to vote YES and are hoping to gain the most. they don't have the brains, skills, money, education or motivation to better themselves so will exist forever in scotland adding nothingTory voting traitor scum like myself who are intelligent, educated, skilled and motivated will f
k off quite happilyThe people you need to build a successful scotland are people like me
What you will be left with is feckless wasters
t about your opinion of meI have had freedom fighters like yourself promise me that i will be first up against the wall come the revolution
You don't scare me
You merely have my pity
ViperPict said:
McWigglebum4th said:
ViperPict said:
We need to have a DEMOCRACY - we do not have that right now. .
You don't have a vote?I do
Everyone in scotland has a vote and have done for the past 100 years
The SNP have existed in scotland for 80 years
Scotland could at any election in the past 80 years voted for the SNP and then we would have the mandate at any election in the past 80 years to remove ourselves from the union.
At no point has the SNP had more then a tiny percentage of scottish MPs
Care to prove me wrong
Scotland could of voted for independence from wastemonster at any point
we haven't
prove me wrong
ViperPict said:
The EU issue has NOT been decided - if it had, Westminster would be latching onto this. It COULD be decided if Westminster directly asked the question of the EU but they refuse to - I wonder why?! In reality, the transition of an independent Scotland into the EU will likely be very simple. There is no reason they would not want Scotland in and removing us would go against fundamental principals of the EU.
Really?I think the EU has made its position perfectly f
king clear just your too blind and petty to consider the possibility you might be wrongAll from HERE
http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/parliamentarybus...
Which is the committee headed by the SNP in the scottish parliament looking at the issue of if we will be out of the EU when we vote YES.
First letter to the EU. Stating that they believe we cannot be thrown out of the Eu as there is no way of removing our membership. Which is the most common argument that we will stay in the EU.
Letter here dated 10th of march
http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/S4_EuropeanandEx...
The reply is received on the 20th of march 2014
Saying that when we leave the UK then we become a new country and ergo we are no longer members of the EU as we belong to a new country which is not a member of the EU and they have been saying this since 2004 letter here
http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/S4_EuropeanandEx...
So the SNP believe that the EU doesn’t know what the EU is talking about so they ask again on the 11th of April just incase the Eu got it wrong letter here http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/S4_EuropeanandEx...
And the Eu have replied on the 4th of June 2014 which is found here
http://www.scottish.parliament.uk/S4_EuropeanandEx...
And it is a short one so i shall quote it here
"As far as EU citizenship is concerned, this is not an autonomous status but is dependent on national citizenship. In accordance with Article 20 of the Treaty on the Functioning of the European Union (TFEU), only persons holding the nationality of a Member State are EU citizens. EU citizenship is additional to and does not replace national citizenship."
So how exactly will we have continuous membership of the EU?
What did the last president of the EU say?
He said it would be very difficult for Scotland to join the EU
http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/politics/scot...
But he is no longer president of the EU
So just a pity we can't ask the new president directly as MEPs are banned from asking them
oh wait
Whats this?
oh it is a Scottish MEP asking exactly that
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0g1pyyLJskg
now got any more made up bulls
t?You won't respond to anything i say you will just pick up on spelling and grammar or say have i left yet.
Because you are content free
you have nothing to add other then sectarian digs
ViperPict said:
This is, quite frankly, cherry picked bullst. The EU will not make a decision that is not in the interests of the EU! It is scaremongering at it's worst. Ironically usually from those who would vote UKIP to come out of Europe - you couldn't make it up!
How could i be scaremongering about something i want?t. The EU will not make a decision that is not in the interests of the EU! It is scaremongering at it's worst. Ironically usually from those who would vote UKIP to come out of Europe - you couldn't make it up! I am pointing out that you are a lying little tosser as normal
And you are correct
The EU will not make a decision that does not help the EU
What helps the EU is to see a small part of the EU leave the EU and fail hugely
Do you think scotland leaving the EU and prospering will help the EU?
NOPE
Or they will let us back in minus all the rebates our darling saintly lovely wonderful dearest baroness Margret Thatcher may god rest her soul arranged for us
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