Who is bogging off after the YES vote?
Discussion
Siscar said:
Hmm, you obviously don't understand what a deterrent is then.
To be fair - these days the majority of the public are clueless on the deterrent.Over the last few months I've often asked yes and no proponents about nuclear weapons in Scotland and it's been astonishing how many have not a scooby - despite the regular publicity on Trident - that Scotland has WMD on its soil. And even if they do have inkling most don't have a scooby as to the way the deterrent actually operates and that there is a deterrent patrol ongoing even as the discussion takes place. It doesn't matter whether they are young or old or whether they have degrees or no qualifications (or whether that are teachers). There are plenty of people who grew up during the cold war who have forgotten about it in the last 20+ years.
Same goes for nuclear power. The fact that Scotland has two operational nuclear power stations often comes as a surprise.
There are times when I think that in order to vote in any non-local election prospective voters should have to take a simple multiple choice test on various facts about the country before they are given a polling card.
OlberJ said:
Remind me how much we currently pay to the MoD and how much we get back?
It's a bit like insurance. You could cough for it over a lifetime and never get anything back. The point is that you are covering yourself for situations that occur that are not of your choosing. So until you need it you cough tangible hard money for an intangible return.stevoknevo said:
I can assure you there are plenty who are not, me being just one of them. Can we come and park them in your back yard?
One assumes you have lived in the area for at least 60 years then?They could park them in my back yard if the conditions allow; i have a couple of nuclear reactors not far away and a couple of new ones on the horizon and they dont bother me in the slightest.
Edited by barryrs on Thursday 24th April 15:36
stevoknevo said:
Siscar said:
I think there are a fair few people to the west of Glasgow who are quite fond of trident.
I can assure you there are plenty who are not, me being just one of them. Can we come and park them in your back yard?Siscar said:
fluffnik said:
Unless we are uniquely incapable, and we're not, there is NO excuse for not running our own affairs.
Missing the point, as ever.Nobody is saying incapable, nobody is saying it's not possible, you are just making up an insult where none exists - a sad reflection on the Nationalist mentality.
stevoknevo said:
Siscar said:
I think there are a fair few people to the west of Glasgow who are quite fond of trident.
I can assure you there are plenty who are not, me being just one of them. Can we come and park them in your back yard?Far nicer then a fecking windfarm.
As i have a windfarm in my back yard
It was rejected by the local council twice
The SNP who live 120 miles away in edinburgh then over ruled the locals and gave approval
Then a load of welsh people came and spent 4 months putting them up and then some spainards commissioned them.
Now i have a ruined view and a house worth less money while a company in ireland gets the subsidy
But it is benefitting scotland so i should be glad of my higher electricty bill and ruined views
fluffnik said:
The point is that it is impossible for the same administration to serve the needs of both Scotland and London well, Scottish governance would be as inappropriate for London as London governance is for Scotland.
The needs of Aberdeen and Airdrie, and Livingston and Lochboisdale are of course identical 
Anyway it's not London governance, it's the UK parliament!
simoid said:
stevoknevo said:
I can assure you there are plenty who are not, me being just one of them. Can we come and park them in your back yard?
Well, they get fuelled and decommissioned all over the UK don't they, so that might be a bit unfair?fluffnik said:
Siscar said:
fluffnik said:
Unless we are uniquely incapable, and we're not, there is NO excuse for not running our own affairs.
Missing the point, as ever.Nobody is saying incapable, nobody is saying it's not possible, you are just making up an insult where none exists - a sad reflection on the Nationalist mentality.
Scotland already runs it's own education, health, police....
OlberJ said:
Again, out of interest, is there anything that says BAE etc will keep building ships on the Clyde in the event of a no vote?
Alan?
Nothing stopping them bidding , but in the case of RN work it will be in competition with other EU yards if Scotland is allowed in to the EU / on the open world market if not Alan?
with Scotland in the UK there is a get out for Naval Ships that allows nations to favour their own yards ... which will be fine for the Scottoish navies war trawler/ FPV and coastal patrol pedalo in the case of the Clyde yards , rather than whatever the RN orders next which will either be built in Portsmouth, Germany or Poland ..
McWigglebum4th said:
Actually the warheads get serviced 110 miles west of westminster palace
By my reckoning the warheads are actually manufactured / serviced only 45 miles from Westminster, while they are stored 44 miles from Glasgow.Noting the equal partners discussion above, its probably closer to suggest its a group of 10 people living in a house they have owned for 300 years. Individually, they are equals, but collectively have decided to share the costs of house insurance and they pool all their salaries etc. which are broadly equivalent. 1 wants to move out and bad mouths the others, expects to keep all his salary but stop contributing to the insurance. He still wants to live in an annex to the house and get the benefit of the insurance ......etc.......
mph1977 said:
Nothing stopping them bidding , but in the case of RN work it will be in competition with other EU yards if Scotland is allowed in to the EU / on the open world market if not
There would be nothing there to bid with unless someone Scottish wanted to take over the Clyde yards, BAe would be putting their investment into Portsmouth where they could build RN ships. It's no coincidence that Portsmouth is staying until into the autumn keeping their option to build in Portsmouth if the vote is Yes.Siscar said:
In what sense were things 'very bad' a very years ago? Are you talking about a recession brought on, not least, but the ludicrous actions of the Royal Bank of Scotland in over-expanding particularly in their overpriced takeover of ABN-AMRO backed by Alex Salmond?
Whoah simoid!That's way out of context and well you know it. There were several contributory factors to the banking crisis.
McWigglebum4th said:
stevoknevo said:
Siscar said:
I think there are a fair few people to the west of Glasgow who are quite fond of trident.
I can assure you there are plenty who are not, me being just one of them. Can we come and park them in your back yard?Far nicer then a fecking windfarm.
As i have a windfarm in my back yard
It was rejected by the local council twice
The SNP who live 120 miles away in edinburgh then over ruled the locals and gave approval
Then a load of welsh people came and spent 4 months putting them up and then some spainards commissioned them.
Now i have a ruined view and a house worth less money while a company in ireland gets the subsidy
But it is benefitting scotland so i should be glad of my higher electricty bill and ruined views
stevoknevo said:
So because some windmills are ruining your view you deem that worthy of the storing of WMD's within spitting distance of Scotland's largest population centre?
Don't see the problem unless you believe that scots are less likely to accept them in scotlandAlso they are serviced a similar distance from London
But well done in not noticing the slagging i gave to the SNP and their riding rough shod over democracy and local views
Well done
I can tell you are a yes voter
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