Who is bogging off after the YES vote?
Discussion
ViperPict said:
Unless you make voting mandatory then that's what elections are like. And there's no point in anyone greeting about it in the event that the result is not to their liking. It will be a majority of, presumably, a representative sample of the electorate. Like all UK elections.
I know. I'm getting confused. You asked a question, which I answered. You now seem to be viewing my responses as though I don't understand how the scenario that you asked about could occur.
Or are your comments directed at those who could be "greeting about it in the event that the result is not to their liking"?
As far as I'm concerned, if someone doesn't vote, they give up their right to moan about the result...
buachaille193 said:
ViperPict said:
Unless you make voting mandatory then that's what elections are like. And there's no point in anyone greeting about it in the event that the result is not to their liking. It will be a majority of, presumably, a representative sample of the electorate. Like all UK elections.
I know. I'm getting confused. You asked a question, which I answered. You now seem to be viewing my responses as though I don't understand how the scenario that you asked about could occur.
Or are your comments directed at those who could be "greeting about it in the event that the result is not to their liking"?
As far as I'm concerned, if someone doesn't vote, they give up their right to moan about the result...
I don't see how people stating well founded fears and concerns and making preparations for a Plan B is greeting?
Some people here could lose their jobs over this vote, many don't want the vote in the first place.
Plan A, vote No.
Plan B, make other arrangement's should your job etc be lost, moved south.
The proposal put forward include ideas that have already been shown to be illegal, ( student fees, favoring Clyde ship building ), almost impossible to happen. ( EU membership in the stated time ) and strange. IE, how to spend more, tax less, but build an oil fund when an unknown deficit gets down to 3%, even though said fund is volatile to price movement's, a finite resource.
That's before the pensions, armed forces, NATO, energy production or even what f
king money is going to be used.
These aren't small considerations. Yet here we are in April and there is yet to be any real answer's to them bar stop scaremongering.
The single biggest impacting question of our lives is coming up, one that possibly will tear the 7th wealthiest nation on earth apart and the people proposing it cannot tell me when i open my wallet, what will be in it and what it will be worth. Superb, just fking superb.
You wonder why people are looking at the exit door...
Some people here could lose their jobs over this vote, many don't want the vote in the first place.
Plan A, vote No.
Plan B, make other arrangement's should your job etc be lost, moved south.
The proposal put forward include ideas that have already been shown to be illegal, ( student fees, favoring Clyde ship building ), almost impossible to happen. ( EU membership in the stated time ) and strange. IE, how to spend more, tax less, but build an oil fund when an unknown deficit gets down to 3%, even though said fund is volatile to price movement's, a finite resource.
That's before the pensions, armed forces, NATO, energy production or even what f
king money is going to be used.These aren't small considerations. Yet here we are in April and there is yet to be any real answer's to them bar stop scaremongering.
The single biggest impacting question of our lives is coming up, one that possibly will tear the 7th wealthiest nation on earth apart and the people proposing it cannot tell me when i open my wallet, what will be in it and what it will be worth. Superb, just f
king superb. You wonder why people are looking at the exit door...
A.J.M said:
I don't see how people stating well founded fears and concerns and making preparations for a Plan B is greeting?
Some people here could lose their jobs over this vote, many don't want the vote in the first place.
Plan A, vote No.
Plan B, make other arrangement's should your job etc be lost, moved south.
The proposal put forward include ideas that have already been shown to be illegal, ( student fees, favoring Clyde ship building ), almost impossible to happen. ( EU membership in the stated time ) and strange. IE, how to spend more, tax less, but build an oil fund when an unknown deficit gets down to 3%, even though said fund is volatile to price movement's, a finite resource.
That's before the pensions, armed forces, NATO, energy production or even what fking money is going to be used.
These aren't small considerations. Yet here we are in April and there is yet to be any real answer's to them bar stop scaremongering.
The single biggest impacting question of our lives is coming up, one that possibly will tear the 7th wealthiest nation on earth apart and the people proposing it cannot tell me when i open my wallet, what will be in it and what it will be worth. Superb, just fking superb.
You wonder why people are looking at the exit door...
Folk could lose their jobs in the event of a no vote too.Some people here could lose their jobs over this vote, many don't want the vote in the first place.
Plan A, vote No.
Plan B, make other arrangement's should your job etc be lost, moved south.
The proposal put forward include ideas that have already been shown to be illegal, ( student fees, favoring Clyde ship building ), almost impossible to happen. ( EU membership in the stated time ) and strange. IE, how to spend more, tax less, but build an oil fund when an unknown deficit gets down to 3%, even though said fund is volatile to price movement's, a finite resource.
That's before the pensions, armed forces, NATO, energy production or even what f
king money is going to be used.These aren't small considerations. Yet here we are in April and there is yet to be any real answer's to them bar stop scaremongering.
The single biggest impacting question of our lives is coming up, one that possibly will tear the 7th wealthiest nation on earth apart and the people proposing it cannot tell me when i open my wallet, what will be in it and what it will be worth. Superb, just f
king superb. You wonder why people are looking at the exit door...
The reason many uncertainties remain is the refusal of Westimster (unreasonably) to discuss the entirely possible event of a yes vote. As an explicit policy of keeping the electorate uninformed. Again, the referendum campaign should not be run like a general election dictating short term politics! It is much more than that.
In what ways?
Westminister has been pretty clear on the currency union idea.
So, if there is a yes vote. What currency shall I be exchanging into Canadian Dollars? Given how it won't be pounds sterling.
My above points have been asked by various companies with little success of getting factual answers back.
Westminister has been pretty clear on the currency union idea.
So, if there is a yes vote. What currency shall I be exchanging into Canadian Dollars? Given how it won't be pounds sterling.
My above points have been asked by various companies with little success of getting factual answers back.
A.J.M said:
In what ways?
Westminister has been pretty clear on the currency union idea.
So, if there is a yes vote. What currency shall I be exchanging into Canadian Dollars? Given how it won't be pounds sterling.
My above points have been asked by various companies with little success of getting factual answers back.
I don't think the unionists are being all the genuine regarding currency... As was revealed last week...Westminister has been pretty clear on the currency union idea.
So, if there is a yes vote. What currency shall I be exchanging into Canadian Dollars? Given how it won't be pounds sterling.
My above points have been asked by various companies with little success of getting factual answers back.
ViperPict said:
I don't think the unionists are being all the genuine regarding currency... As was revealed last week...
Currently, the position is NO.So, again I will ask.
What currency shall I exchange for Canadian Dollars?
Given how the Yes campaign want independent to start in 24th March 2016..
A.J.M said:
ViperPict said:
I don't think the unionists are being all the genuine regarding currency... As was revealed last week...
Currently, the position is NO.So, again I will ask.
What currency shall I exchange for Canadian Dollars?
Given how the Yes campaign want independent to start in 24th March 2016..
So they will agree to us using the currency.
We will have no control over interest rates, no central bank, no lender of last resort, they will have to pick up any overspend that we may have.
Given that and the growing polls showing that the rUK electorate will not stand for that, I very much doubt a union will take place. Plus with a spend more, tax less, give us what we want or we will forefit out share of the debt. I think you'll be told to politely fk off.
£12.5k will get the D3. Given the work done, overall condition, the extras and upgrades I've done to it and have still to fit. That's good value for money.
As for Canada, I've been asking my mates out there since November about working visas, I have job offers for this winters season should I go out. I'm young enough and have no ties here to leave and make it work.
We will have no control over interest rates, no central bank, no lender of last resort, they will have to pick up any overspend that we may have.
Given that and the growing polls showing that the rUK electorate will not stand for that, I very much doubt a union will take place. Plus with a spend more, tax less, give us what we want or we will forefit out share of the debt. I think you'll be told to politely f
k off. £12.5k will get the D3. Given the work done, overall condition, the extras and upgrades I've done to it and have still to fit. That's good value for money.
As for Canada, I've been asking my mates out there since November about working visas, I have job offers for this winters season should I go out. I'm young enough and have no ties here to leave and make it work.
ViperPict said:
The reason many uncertainties remain is the refusal of Westimster (unreasonably) to discuss the entirely possible event of a yes vote.
It's not really Westminster's responsibility.This is one of the problems with the way the referendum is being presented by the SNP. We were told that they have taken advice on EU membership (yeah, really?). We are told that not only will Scotland keep the pound but that magically the UK government will cede it's own fiscal sovereignty to Scotland (as if!).
Bottom line is that the aftermath at this time first and foremost the responsibility of those who wanted the referendum.
Meanwhile there is no doubt a lot of discrete contingency planning going on in offices in London as to how things will unfold should there be a yes vote.
One of the odd ironies of making that planning public is that some of the negative stuff may actually antagonise some no voters to become yes voters. There were signs of that when the main Westminster parties declared the currency situation. Somewhat ironic.
A.J.M said:
So they will agree to us using the currency.
We will have no control over interest rates, no central bank, no lender of last resort, they will have to pick up any overspend that we may have.
I don't think they can stop an independent Scotland using their currency.We will have no control over interest rates, no central bank, no lender of last resort, they will have to pick up any overspend that we may have.
So agreement isn't necessary.
But as you say no control. And as for overspend? Nope. They don't have to carry the can for that. That will be IMF territory if there's a bail out needed. And then you cede control over your policies to them.
I'm really surprised that the proponents of independence haven't come up with something creative like a currency board - but based on the idea that the Scottish Whatever would be based on a basket of more than one currencies that could change over time. So start with a fixed exchange against Sterling but in stages (with plenty of market transparency) you could if policy changed adjust the balance towards the Euro with the Scottish Whatever transitioning from one peg via a mixed peg eventually to another peg over a number of years.
bob1179 said:
stevoknevo said:
Oh poor Aberdeenshire being devastated! The rest of the country has been for years but Aberdeenshire has escaped it due to the 'oil bubble'. But hey, I'm alright Jack, eh?
Our actions are already dictated by Brussels, so no change there then.
I'm no great lover of Salmond but he has the interests of this country as his number one priority, unlike the bunch in charge at Westminster who are only interested in what they can use to enrich their pals in the 1% club.
I work for the NHS and I am glad that it is in Scotland where it is protected, unlike in England and Wales where it is being privatised by the back door and the media refuse to report on it!
As already mentioned, if Scotland was no use to Westminster then they would have told us to fk off years ago. However I'd imagine the £15b+ in taxation that flows there annually from Oil and Whiskey alone keeps them pally with us.
We more than pay our fair share and have done for years, yet are pilloried as scroungers.
As for people saying if there is a border it will cause increased prices for online goods etc? There isn't a border just now, yet if I want something delivered, lets say a garden shed which I was looking to buy yesterday; had I stayed anywhere south of the central belt of Scotland, including England and Wales, I could have it delivered free. Due to my postcode it would be £50 extra; United Kingdom my arse.
You seem to contradict yourself a little. You state the large amount of taxation that my industry pays into the government coffers, however you also insinuate that you don't really care about it as we are in our own little 'bubble'. Should Scotland lose that (diminishing) revenue the whole nation will be in a bit of a trouble.Our actions are already dictated by Brussels, so no change there then.
I'm no great lover of Salmond but he has the interests of this country as his number one priority, unlike the bunch in charge at Westminster who are only interested in what they can use to enrich their pals in the 1% club.
I work for the NHS and I am glad that it is in Scotland where it is protected, unlike in England and Wales where it is being privatised by the back door and the media refuse to report on it!
As already mentioned, if Scotland was no use to Westminster then they would have told us to f
k off years ago. However I'd imagine the £15b+ in taxation that flows there annually from Oil and Whiskey alone keeps them pally with us.We more than pay our fair share and have done for years, yet are pilloried as scroungers.
As for people saying if there is a border it will cause increased prices for online goods etc? There isn't a border just now, yet if I want something delivered, lets say a garden shed which I was looking to buy yesterday; had I stayed anywhere south of the central belt of Scotland, including England and Wales, I could have it delivered free. Due to my postcode it would be £50 extra; United Kingdom my arse.
You work for the NHS, somebody has to pay for it. If there isn't enough money for the government to continue to fund it, you will find yourself being privatised and possibly out of a job too.
It's a little bit more complicated than 'Evil Westminster'.
I'm a psychiatric nurse and place myself in similar danger every day (whilst also paying for the NHS service, like others do) just so happens my commodity isn't as beneficial financially as yours is
Gone are the days of a job for life with the NHS, most new contracts are fixed term, as I am on. However it is person centred and protected in Scotland currently and we provide free prescriptions. Same can't be said for elsewhere in the UK?Too many people in this country can't see beyond the end of their own nose and are only interested in what is in it for them; I saw a statistic the other day that 1 in 4 Scottish children are born in to poverty; the area of Glasgow I used to live in has 51% child poverty! That isn't good enough in this day and age and "Evil Westminster" is doing f
k all to help combat that; in fact they are perpetuating the issue.However if the oil companies are paying £12bn per annum in taxation then it must be worth their while? The aforementioned folk I know whom work in the industry seem to reckon it will be profitable for the next 50 years at least, and I'd like to see that money spent on Scottish infrastructure instead of the British army being used as personal dogs of war to suit some rich b
ds portfolio whilst the media big up our 'Heroes'.As for other arguments like foreign embassies, social security depts etc, Scotland already owns a share of that relative to the population, and our share would be worked out in the event of a YES vote. Same goes for if we want to use Sterling, it's a tradeable commodity and we can use it if we wish, some other bugger might be setting rates, inflation etc but that doesn't stop us from using it.
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