A9 average speed cameras

[gwm]

Did the A9 up to Inverness on 28th, was ok but traffic was light. I'd hate to be in a rush though, as when there was traffic it never moved at more than 55mph.

[paul450]

993AL said:

paul450 said:

TerzoNeil said:

it is for me as in a works transit van as on dual carriageway is 60 limit

forgot about that what about smaller car derived vans?

had to go up to aberdeen on friday but had to pick up someone in glasgow first so went up that way sitting at 70mph on the speedo all the way

Car-derived vans up to 2 tonnes maximum laden weight = 70MPH on Dual carriageways, you're safe

just checked my one is just under 2000kg

[Spitfire2]

Vipers said:

TerzoNeil said:

Spitfire2 said:

Did Stirling - Perth and back today. It appears that 80% of drivers think the speed limit for cars on a Dual Carriageway is 60.

it is for me as in a works transit van as on dual carriageway is 60 limit

Good to hear, but I think he was referring to car drivers. Cruising down the A90 yesterday, car in front 70, no worries, they see a fixed camera which has been there about 10 years plus, they slam on the brakes, why?

Correct. Was car drivers I was on about. Generally the commercial guys know the limits.

[haggishunter]

paul450 said:

just checked my one is just under 2000kg

What's the van? Unless it a corsa or fiesta you may well find the weights not the issue its the actual body style.

[paul450]

haggishunter said:

What's the van? Unless it a corsa or fiesta you may well find the weights not the issue its the actual body style.

citroen berlingo

[bigwheel]

paul450 said:

haggishunter said:

What's the van? Unless it a corsa or fiesta you may well find the weights not the issue its the actual body style.

citroen berlingo

Paul, the Berlingos at my work have to run at Transit van reduced speed limits, not car derived van limits. The absolute definition in Law is whether or not the van's gross allowable weight is above or below 2000 kg. Ours are marked on the manufacturer's plate at just over 2000 kg, as are other similar sized vans I've come across lately eg VW, Vauxhall, Ford and Fiat.

I think grossing these vans at just over 2000 kg is deliberate, to emphasise that these vans are on reduced limits.

Under the bonnet (or inside the door shut), the manufacturer's plate will show 4 weights.
Front Axle max allowable
Rear Axle max allowable
Gross Vehicle max allowable
Gross Vehicle & Trailer max allowable

Transit van type & these van limits are:
Single Carriageway 50 mph
Dual Carriageway (doesn't HAVE to HAVE a central barrier of any type) 60 mph
Motorway 70 mph

[haggishunter]

bigwheel said:

paul450 said:

haggishunter said:

What's the van? Unless it a corsa or fiesta you may well find the weights not the issue its the actual body style.

citroen berlingo

Paul, the Berlingos at my work have to run at Transit van reduced speed limits, not car derived van limits. The absolute definition in Law is whether or not the van's gross allowable weight is above or below 2000 kg. Ours are marked on the manufacturer's plate at just over 2000 kg, as are other similar sized vans I've come across lately eg VW, Vauxhall, Ford and Fiat.

I think grossing these vans at just over 2000 kg is deliberate, to emphasise that these vans are on reduced limits.

Under the bonnet (or inside the door shut), the manufacturer's plate will show 4 weights.
Front Axle max allowable
Rear Axle max allowable
Gross Vehicle max allowable
Gross Vehicle & Trailer max allowable

Transit van type & these van limits are:
Single Carriageway 50 mph
Dual Carriageway (doesn't HAVE to HAVE a central barrier of any type) 60 mph
Motorway 70 mph

The older ones are fine it's the newer ones that are a pain to know what's what. I have one that's a 60 plate that's fine for the higher speeds. The newer ones I have are lower limits dude to them being 10kg over the weight limit. It's worth having a look at the tax disc to see if it says LGV (I think), that means it would be lower speed limits.

[matchmaker]

Spitfire2 said:

Correct. Was car drivers I was on about. Generally the commercial guys know the limits.

A recent round trip from Stirling to Inverness and back proved that many commercial guys *don't* know the limits!

And why, in the name of all that's holy, do they need average speed camera between Dunblane and Broxden? It's dual carriageway the whole way and the accident blackspots are at the flat junctions at Blackford, Auchterarder and Aberuthven. All of which used to have Gatsos...not any more. Safety my arse!

[Vipers]

matchmaker said:

Spitfire2 said:

Correct. Was car drivers I was on about. Generally the commercial guys know the limits.

A recent round trip from Stirling to Inverness and back proved that many commercial guys *don't* know the limits!

And why, in the name of all that's holy, do they need average speed camera between Dunblane and Broxden? It's dual carriageway the whole way and the accident blackspots are at the flat junctions at Blackford, Auchterarder and Aberuthven. All of which used to have Gatsos...not any more. Safety my arse!

The joys of cruise control. But your right, another cash cow.

[Spitfire2]

matchmaker said:

A recent round trip from Stirling to Inverness and back proved that many commercial guys *don't* know the limits!

And why, in the name of all that's holy, do they need average speed camera between Dunblane and Broxden? It's dual carriageway the whole way and the accident blackspots are at the flat junctions at Blackford, Auchterarder and Aberuthven. All of which used to have Gatsos...not any more. Safety my arse!

You are quite right - I noticed the 3 Gatsos had been removed and had exactly the same thought.

[Dr Jekyll]

bigwheel said:

Transit van type & these van limits are:
Single Carriageway 50 mph
Dual Carriageway (doesn't HAVE to HAVE a central barrier of any type) 60 mph
Motorway 70 mph

So how do you distinguish a single carriageway from a dual?

[Vipers]

Dr Jekyll said:

bigwheel said:

Transit van type & these van limits are:
Single Carriageway 50 mph
Dual Carriageway (doesn't HAVE to HAVE a central barrier of any type) 60 mph
Motorway 70 mph

So how do you distinguish a single carriageway from a dual?

This is a motoring forum, isn't it!.

Edited by Vipers on Monday 5th January 20:25

Edited by Vipers on Monday 5th January 20:26

[simoid]

Dr Jekyll said:

bigwheel said:

Transit van type & these van limits are:
Single Carriageway 50 mph
Dual Carriageway (doesn't HAVE to HAVE a central barrier of any type) 60 mph
Motorway 70 mph

So how do you distinguish a single carriageway from a dual?

Physical divider between the carriageways. Might be a kerb & grass, therefore no barrier

[Vipers]

simoid said:

Dr Jekyll said:

bigwheel said:

Transit van type & these van limits are:
Single Carriageway 50 mph
Dual Carriageway (doesn't HAVE to HAVE a central barrier of any type) 60 mph
Motorway 70 mph

So how do you distinguish a single carriageway from a dual?

Physical divider between the carriageways. Might be a kerb & grass, therefore no barrier

Question is, was that the understanding, or a play on words? And didn't know.

[bigwheel]

Vipers said:

Question is, was that the understanding, or a play on words? And didn't know.

A dual not needing a physical barrier (eg. Armco, Wires, Concrete, etc.) was to forestall some drivers' ideas of a 70 mph limit for a dual requires a form of physical barrier where, in fact and Law, a barrier is not required.

Just after Rule 36.
https://www.gov.uk/general-rules-all-drivers-rider...

If you need some exercise for your eyes,
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=1&a...

[simoid]

"Physical separation between the carriageways" I think is the term in the regs.. Paint doesn't count, I think it also says!

[clunkbox]

On my speed awareness course the guy described it as "if you can a roll and ball from one side of the road to the other, it's single carriageway, if you can't it's a a double" which I think explains it well.

[Vipers]

bigwheel said:

Vipers said:

Question is, was that the understanding, or a play on words? And didn't know.

A dual not needing a physical barrier (eg. Armco, Wires, Concrete, etc.) was to forestall some drivers' ideas of a 70 mph limit for a dual requires a form of physical barrier where, in fact and Law, a barrier is not required.

Just after Rule 36.
https://www.gov.uk/general-rules-all-drivers-rider...

If you need some exercise for your eyes,
http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=1&a...

Your absolutely right, your wording was confusing, why even put it in at all, to confuse I suspect. Glad you knew the rules though, ten out of ten.

clunkbox said:

On my speed awareness course the guy described it as "if you can a roll and ball from one side of the road to the other, it's single carriageway, if you can't it's a a double" which I think explains it well.

A very good Explanation, these days it will probably dissapear down a pot hole.

[Dr Jekyll]

clunkbox said:

On my speed awareness course the guy described it as "if you can a roll and ball from one side of the road to the other, it's single carriageway, if you can't it's a a double" which I think explains it well.

That was my thought, and something that prevents the ball rolling across the road is a physical barrier by definition.

[Andrew[MG]]

TerzoNeil said:

it is for me as in a works transit van as on dual carriageway is 60 limit

Pretty sure the cameras wouldn't know the limit for your van???