A9 average speed cameras
Discussion
Vipers said:
Question is, was that the understanding, or a play on words? And didn't know.
Your absolutely right, your wording was confusing, why even put it in at all, to confuse I suspect. Glad you knew the rules though, ten out of ten.
Apologies if it came across as confusing, no intention there at all. I emphasised the non-requirement for barriers because in previous discussions on this subject there are a few folk who are blinkered and have convinced themselves (and try to convince others) about barriersYour absolutely right, your wording was confusing, why even put it in at all, to confuse I suspect. Glad you knew the rules though, ten out of ten.
Right, I think I've battered this to bits.... Looks like we're all on the same page
clunkbox said:
On my speed awareness course the guy described it as "if you can a roll and ball from one side of the road to the other, it's single carriageway, if you can't it's a a double" which I think explains it well.
A very good Explanation, these days it will probably dissapear down a pot hole. 
ALL that says is that "A9 average speed cameras 'have reduced speeding" . Plenty of guff equating speed to safety. No mention ,that I can see that says that the speed on the road is the CORRECT speed for the conditions. But then ,how would a device set up SOLELY to determine the speed between two points do that .
As has been said so many times, they might as well have put up garden Gnomes on the poles ,as cameras for all the good it would do to aid road safety .There's only ONE device ,sadly lacking from UK roads that encompasses speed/ safety and conditions. That's the sadly deceased UK traffic cop.
As has been said so many times, they might as well have put up garden Gnomes on the poles ,as cameras for all the good it would do to aid road safety .There's only ONE device ,sadly lacking from UK roads that encompasses speed/ safety and conditions. That's the sadly deceased UK traffic cop.
s2kjock said:
No mention of the number of accidentss2kjock said:
So it seems to have been a success then?
http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-isla...
A bit of nonsense.http://m.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-highlands-isla...
There wasn't a speeding problem before.
My observation from being on the A9 recently would be that there is no difference in the number of risky overtakes I witnessed.
The old speed cameras are gone, and I haven't seen any vans or police. So to say that the numbers of cars triggering the cameras is some indication of success and that instances of speeding have been reduced is not comparing like with like.
I did notice that the speeds on the dualled sections were lower .... but hang on a mo! ... weren't they the bits that everybody thought were safer anyway?
Obviously if you install specs cameras speeds will drop
How many accidents over same period say past 5 years?
How many camera vans not in use therefore less checks so not comparing like with like re speeding reduction
What effect has different HGV speed limit had?
Lies Damn Lies & statistics
How many accidents over same period say past 5 years?
How many camera vans not in use therefore less checks so not comparing like with like re speeding reduction
What effect has different HGV speed limit had?
Lies Damn Lies & statistics
Usual nonsense re: report on the BBC. The real problems with the A9 will start on the spring with the increase in tourist traffic and caravans. They also completely ignore that the main benefits being experienced are due to the increased speed of the HGVs. Ironically the traffic is probably moving faster due this factor. The accidents will still happen, we need to wait till the summer to determine whether safety had actually been improved- overall I suspect not. Too many cruise control crawling overtakes for my liking. Some drivers seem to think doing a fast effective overtake will get them penalty points.
I've been up the A9 all the way up to Inverness and back recently and would have to disagree with the general concensus of the thread so far. I've been up the A9 a good few times and hated the road until I went up it this last time. The traffic was so spaced out, it was incredibly easy to overtake doddlers (even when they were being tailed by people wanting to do the 'cruise control overtake') and it was by far and away the most progressive long-distance drive I've had in years.
I'll try and go up it in spring during tourist season to see if that changes with the increased traffic and caravans but from what I've seen, the average speed cameras do control the flow of traffic really well (most cars I ever had directly in front of me bar the dual carriageway parts was probably 3 and they were all overtaken very easily as soon as it was safe to do so). Also, the 50mph lorry limit was a really good initiative as well.
[awaits immolation...]
I'll try and go up it in spring during tourist season to see if that changes with the increased traffic and caravans but from what I've seen, the average speed cameras do control the flow of traffic really well (most cars I ever had directly in front of me bar the dual carriageway parts was probably 3 and they were all overtaken very easily as soon as it was safe to do so). Also, the 50mph lorry limit was a really good initiative as well.
[awaits immolation...]
Nick Grant said:
s2kjock said:
No mention of the number of accidentsTravelling up and down it myself, there appear to be lower numbers of "crazy overtakes", and the reduction in overall speed is only when the road is quiet IME - when it is busy it hasn't made that much difference with more HGV's travelling at higher speeds and folk generally moving along at a more constant speed.
Other A9 users I have spoken to or comments read on non-motoring websites seem to be of the same view.
Come summer when the bikers come out again, who as far as I can work out will mostly be unaffected, it will be interesting to see how they ride.
[quote=ModernAndyAlso, the 50mph lorry limit was a really good initiative as well.
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This and the reduction of speeds on the dualled sections is probably the reason you're seeing better spacing of the traffic.
The pattern I used to see was vehicles that wouldn't overtake then floor their pedals and do 85+ on the DC sections - then hit the next 40mph jam behind a Tesco or Asda GV and bunch up and not overtake till the next DC.
Basically the combination of lower peak speeds on the DC sections and the higher HGV speed is probably pacing the traffic at the moment.
It remains to be seen how things may cahnge as seaonal traffic builds and drivers start to optimise their strategies - particularly if visible policing is reduced.
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This and the reduction of speeds on the dualled sections is probably the reason you're seeing better spacing of the traffic.
The pattern I used to see was vehicles that wouldn't overtake then floor their pedals and do 85+ on the DC sections - then hit the next 40mph jam behind a Tesco or Asda GV and bunch up and not overtake till the next DC.
Basically the combination of lower peak speeds on the DC sections and the higher HGV speed is probably pacing the traffic at the moment.
It remains to be seen how things may cahnge as seaonal traffic builds and drivers start to optimise their strategies - particularly if visible policing is reduced.
ked.Bohally said:
Has anybody actually been or lnow anybody that has received a ticket yet?
Just come up from Perth to Inverness this afternoon - made sure the sat nav averaged 60 on the S/C sections but was making progress on the D/C's (On the basis they aren't covered!).
Not many have been... Just come up from Perth to Inverness this afternoon - made sure the sat nav averaged 60 on the S/C sections but was making progress on the D/C's (On the basis they aren't covered!).
https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/invernes...
I sit on 63 GPS, 65 speedo every journey up and down and Ive been fine.
jamesbeaumont said:
I sit on 63 GPS, 65 speedo every journey up and down and Ive been fine.
I did the same between cameras when the road quietened down after Pitlochry in November and received nothing unpleasant in the post.Still curious as to the extent to which the cameras will not pick up motorbikes (I ride occasionally) given that none of the cameras between Perth and Aviemore (only stretch I have been one since SPECS was set up) appear to be rear facing.
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