A9 average speed cameras
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FordMan1 said:
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tting myself here as got caught out twice in last few days with the cruise control set at 70 and come out the end of the dual carriageway sections to find I've left it on for a mile or so and gone through at least one camera. Hoping to have got away with it!
I'm impressed you made it a few miles into the 60mph sections without running into the 45 mph brigade! tting myself here as got caught out twice in last few days with the cruise control set at 70 and come out the end of the dual carriageway sections to find I've left it on for a mile or so and gone through at least one camera. Hoping to have got away with it!lxm said:
I travel the A9 (Broxden) to M9 (Dunblane) on a weekly basis heading to Glasgow.
I must admit the standard of driving has greatly improved since the installation of the SPECS. I'm a big boy but there has been occasions where the driving has been dangerous and scary and I've called it quits, pulled in behind an artic and cruised at 60 whilst the madness ahead clears.
Scenes of 4 - 5 cars in severe wet conditions and poor visibility bunched up together in the fast lane with as little as 1 meter of distance between, harassing some sod ahead who ultimately is driving to the conditions but has failed to yield to the slow lane to allow them to pass.
General tail-gating, undertaking at speed and the above all seem to have stopped.
The SPECS seem to have 'guided' 99 % of drivers into the slow lane, allowing the fast lane clear at all times to allow others to progress or pass without hindrance or meet a 'lane hogger'. I think this in general has made everything alot safer.
There is also the added fun of watching vehicles 'snail race' and overtake each other at 71mph for the sake of progressing one vehicle infront... I still cant work that one out.
I set cruise control to 75 and travel pretty much the entire stretch in the open fast lane, and pass the majority of the slow lane, with a few flashing me to warn that I'm going to get a ticket
Travel the route 6 times a week since the installation and not received any ticket.
There are no average speed cameras on the dual carriageway sections, only on the 60mph sections. Wish people would realise this and stop the 71 mph overtakes......I must admit the standard of driving has greatly improved since the installation of the SPECS. I'm a big boy but there has been occasions where the driving has been dangerous and scary and I've called it quits, pulled in behind an artic and cruised at 60 whilst the madness ahead clears.
Scenes of 4 - 5 cars in severe wet conditions and poor visibility bunched up together in the fast lane with as little as 1 meter of distance between, harassing some sod ahead who ultimately is driving to the conditions but has failed to yield to the slow lane to allow them to pass.
General tail-gating, undertaking at speed and the above all seem to have stopped.
The SPECS seem to have 'guided' 99 % of drivers into the slow lane, allowing the fast lane clear at all times to allow others to progress or pass without hindrance or meet a 'lane hogger'. I think this in general has made everything alot safer.
There is also the added fun of watching vehicles 'snail race' and overtake each other at 71mph for the sake of progressing one vehicle infront... I still cant work that one out.
I set cruise control to 75 and travel pretty much the entire stretch in the open fast lane, and pass the majority of the slow lane, with a few flashing me to warn that I'm going to get a ticket
Travel the route 6 times a week since the installation and not received any ticket.
CarbonXKR said:
lxm said:
I travel the A9 (Broxden) to M9 (Dunblane) on a weekly basis heading to Glasgow.
I must admit the standard of driving has greatly improved since the installation of the SPECS. I'm a big boy but there has been occasions where the driving has been dangerous and scary and I've called it quits, pulled in behind an artic and cruised at 60 whilst the madness ahead clears.
Scenes of 4 - 5 cars in severe wet conditions and poor visibility bunched up together in the fast lane with as little as 1 meter of distance between, harassing some sod ahead who ultimately is driving to the conditions but has failed to yield to the slow lane to allow them to pass.
General tail-gating, undertaking at speed and the above all seem to have stopped.
The SPECS seem to have 'guided' 99 % of drivers into the slow lane, allowing the fast lane clear at all times to allow others to progress or pass without hindrance or meet a 'lane hogger'. I think this in general has made everything alot safer.
There is also the added fun of watching vehicles 'snail race' and overtake each other at 71mph for the sake of progressing one vehicle infront... I still cant work that one out.
I set cruise control to 75 and travel pretty much the entire stretch in the open fast lane, and pass the majority of the slow lane, with a few flashing me to warn that I'm going to get a ticket
Travel the route 6 times a week since the installation and not received any ticket.
There are no average speed cameras on the dual carriageway sections, only on the 60mph sections. Wish people would realise this and stop the 71 mph overtakes......I must admit the standard of driving has greatly improved since the installation of the SPECS. I'm a big boy but there has been occasions where the driving has been dangerous and scary and I've called it quits, pulled in behind an artic and cruised at 60 whilst the madness ahead clears.
Scenes of 4 - 5 cars in severe wet conditions and poor visibility bunched up together in the fast lane with as little as 1 meter of distance between, harassing some sod ahead who ultimately is driving to the conditions but has failed to yield to the slow lane to allow them to pass.
General tail-gating, undertaking at speed and the above all seem to have stopped.
The SPECS seem to have 'guided' 99 % of drivers into the slow lane, allowing the fast lane clear at all times to allow others to progress or pass without hindrance or meet a 'lane hogger'. I think this in general has made everything alot safer.
There is also the added fun of watching vehicles 'snail race' and overtake each other at 71mph for the sake of progressing one vehicle infront... I still cant work that one out.
I set cruise control to 75 and travel pretty much the entire stretch in the open fast lane, and pass the majority of the slow lane, with a few flashing me to warn that I'm going to get a ticket
Travel the route 6 times a week since the installation and not received any ticket.
There are between Perth and Dunblane!matchmaker said:
CarbonXKR said:
lxm said:
I travel the A9 (Broxden) to M9 (Dunblane) on a weekly basis heading to Glasgow.
I must admit the standard of driving has greatly improved since the installation of the SPECS. I'm a big boy but there has been occasions where the driving has been dangerous and scary and I've called it quits, pulled in behind an artic and cruised at 60 whilst the madness ahead clears.
Scenes of 4 - 5 cars in severe wet conditions and poor visibility bunched up together in the fast lane with as little as 1 meter of distance between, harassing some sod ahead who ultimately is driving to the conditions but has failed to yield to the slow lane to allow them to pass.
General tail-gating, undertaking at speed and the above all seem to have stopped.
The SPECS seem to have 'guided' 99 % of drivers into the slow lane, allowing the fast lane clear at all times to allow others to progress or pass without hindrance or meet a 'lane hogger'. I think this in general has made everything alot safer.
There is also the added fun of watching vehicles 'snail race' and overtake each other at 71mph for the sake of progressing one vehicle infront... I still cant work that one out.
I set cruise control to 75 and travel pretty much the entire stretch in the open fast lane, and pass the majority of the slow lane, with a few flashing me to warn that I'm going to get a ticket
Travel the route 6 times a week since the installation and not received any ticket.
There are no average speed cameras on the dual carriageway sections, only on the 60mph sections. Wish people would realise this and stop the 71 mph overtakes......I must admit the standard of driving has greatly improved since the installation of the SPECS. I'm a big boy but there has been occasions where the driving has been dangerous and scary and I've called it quits, pulled in behind an artic and cruised at 60 whilst the madness ahead clears.
Scenes of 4 - 5 cars in severe wet conditions and poor visibility bunched up together in the fast lane with as little as 1 meter of distance between, harassing some sod ahead who ultimately is driving to the conditions but has failed to yield to the slow lane to allow them to pass.
General tail-gating, undertaking at speed and the above all seem to have stopped.
The SPECS seem to have 'guided' 99 % of drivers into the slow lane, allowing the fast lane clear at all times to allow others to progress or pass without hindrance or meet a 'lane hogger'. I think this in general has made everything alot safer.
There is also the added fun of watching vehicles 'snail race' and overtake each other at 71mph for the sake of progressing one vehicle infront... I still cant work that one out.
I set cruise control to 75 and travel pretty much the entire stretch in the open fast lane, and pass the majority of the slow lane, with a few flashing me to warn that I'm going to get a ticket
Travel the route 6 times a week since the installation and not received any ticket.
There are between Perth and Dunblane!Although I would say the contrary to the 1st poster. A lot of scary driving has started with the cameras. Folks drifting out of lane, the snail overtakes (im always wary of these especially where high sided vans are involved), people in both lanes matching speeds in peoples blindspots, people taking very very late evasive action to joining/crossing traffic that decided to chance it, just general sloppy driving and not paying attention (probably from the people used to doing 5-15mph over the traffic speed to keep concentration) and I would say mainly for those of us without cruise control or speed restrictors or very accurate speedometers the whole route between Dunblane and Perth (which I commute weekly) has become extremely stressful. Although there is no better feeling than hitting the Broxden roundabout and just letting my V6 roar for the A9 northbound until my turnoff (IF im going to lose my license ever I must admit this is probably where
).Also if the latest accidents statistics are to be believed serious RTAs are up just under 30% since they where switched on compared to the previous 5 years.
caelite said:
Yeah. Unless the signs and big yellow speed camera pole things are lying.
Although I would say the contrary to the 1st poster. A lot of scary driving has started with the cameras. Folks drifting out of lane, the snail overtakes (im always wary of these especially where high sided vans are involved), people in both lanes matching speeds in peoples blindspots, people taking very very late evasive action to joining/crossing traffic that decided to chance it, just general sloppy driving and not paying attention (probably from the people used to doing 5-15mph over the traffic speed to keep concentration).
This. I drove from Perth to the Auchterarder turn-off recently and everybody's too busy checking their speed to pay any attention to their surroundings. As for cruise control, forget it. No matter what you set it at, you're forever knocking it off for Mr 50mph pulling out to overtake Mr 45mph, or pulling in to let Mr Tailgater past, etc, etc,.Although I would say the contrary to the 1st poster. A lot of scary driving has started with the cameras. Folks drifting out of lane, the snail overtakes (im always wary of these especially where high sided vans are involved), people in both lanes matching speeds in peoples blindspots, people taking very very late evasive action to joining/crossing traffic that decided to chance it, just general sloppy driving and not paying attention (probably from the people used to doing 5-15mph over the traffic speed to keep concentration).
Halmyre said:
This. I drove from Perth to the Auchterarder turn-off recently and everybody's too busy checking their speed to pay any attention to their surroundings. As for cruise control, forget it. No matter what you set it at, you're forever knocking it off for Mr 50mph pulling out to overtake Mr 45mph, or pulling in to let Mr Tailgater past, etc, etc,.
Its good when it quiet. Ive driven my dads merc up and its pretty relaxing just drifting between lanes 1 and 2 overtaking lorries and other cars with the digital speedo bang on 75. Ive made it all the way from the Doune junction to Perth without turning cruise off.However in my car its stressful as it very easily changes speed (older car with vague throttle control and not very acurate speedo). Ive done it on my motorbike before and NEVER AGAIN. If I need to take the bike up to Perth again Im taking the plates off and risking getting caught by actual traffic enforcement. Bike riding in blind spots without the ability to maintain a delta speed of 5-10mph is terrifying. Also the stereotypical accuracy of bike speedos as well as the ease to push it over 70. The speedo on myGPZ bounces by about 10mph at 70 so I normally only have a vague idea of how fast im going. Which is fine with physical enforcement or gatso where I can slow down for a few seconds but average speed cameras are a nightmare.
cailete said:
Ive done it on my motorbike before and NEVER AGAIN. If I need to take the bike up to Perth again Im taking the plates off and risking getting caught by actual traffic enforcement. Bike riding in blind spots without the ability to maintain a delta speed of 5-10mph is terrifying. Also the stereotypical accuracy of bike speedos as well as the ease to push it over 70. The speedo on myGPZ bounces by about 10mph at 70 so I normally only have a vague idea of how fast im going. Which is fine with physical enforcement or gatso where I can slow down for a few seconds but average speed cameras are a nightmare.
Are there rear facing cameras on the stretch between Stirling and Perth then?Edited by s2kjock on Wednesday 21st October 22:44
s2kjock said:
cailete said:
Ive done it on my motorbike before and NEVER AGAIN. If I need to take the bike up to Perth again Im taking the plates off and risking getting caught by actual traffic enforcement. Bike riding in blind spots without the ability to maintain a delta speed of 5-10mph is terrifying. Also the stereotypical accuracy of bike speedos as well as the ease to push it over 70. The speedo on myGPZ bounces by about 10mph at 70 so I normally only have a vague idea of how fast im going. Which is fine with physical enforcement or gatso where I can slow down for a few seconds but average speed cameras are a nightmare.
Are there rear facing cameras on the stretch between Stirling and Perth then?Edited by s2kjock on Wednesday 21st October 22:44
Also aye: https://www.pressandjournal.co.uk/fp/news/invernes... according to a statement by Transport Scotland, "Some of the cameras have been turned around".
Driving north from Perth, I just reset the trip computer at the first of each pair of cameras on the single carriageway (none on dual as noted already), and make sure I'm at 60 average when I get to second camera. (They are all paired up, and separated by dual, so there's no carrying forward of speed beyond each pair)
During the day, with average traffic, it's very rare to average more than 60 for the whole section, even if you drive normally and overtake at 'appropriate' speed, as the time spent in slower traffic brings the average down.
During the day, with average traffic, it's very rare to average more than 60 for the whole section, even if you drive normally and overtake at 'appropriate' speed, as the time spent in slower traffic brings the average down.
footsoldier said:
Driving north from Perth, I just reset the trip computer at the first of each pair of cameras on the single carriageway (none on dual as noted already), and make sure I'm at 60 average when I get to second camera. (They are all paired up, and separated by dual, so there's no carrying forward of speed beyond each pair)
During the day, with average traffic, it's very rare to average more than 60 for the whole section, even if you drive normally and overtake at 'appropriate' speed, as the time spent in slower traffic brings the average down.
That's not the PH way, you should be averaging an absolute (not indicated) 67.9 mph for every section otherwise you're wasting time and money During the day, with average traffic, it's very rare to average more than 60 for the whole section, even if you drive normally and overtake at 'appropriate' speed, as the time spent in slower traffic brings the average down.
footsoldier said:
Driving north from Perth, I just reset the trip computer at the first of each pair of cameras on the single carriageway (none on dual as noted already), and make sure I'm at 60 average when I get to second camera. (They are all paired up, and separated by dual, so there's no carrying forward of speed beyond each pair)
During the day, with average traffic, it's very rare to average more than 60 for the whole section, even if you drive normally and overtake at 'appropriate' speed, as the time spent in slower traffic brings the average down.
I've never really trusted the idea of 'paired cameras', i.e., if 1 and 2 are paired, and 3 and 4 are paired, does that mean the gap between 2 and 3 is unmonitored?During the day, with average traffic, it's very rare to average more than 60 for the whole section, even if you drive normally and overtake at 'appropriate' speed, as the time spent in slower traffic brings the average down.
Besides, I'd be too busy thinking "did I pass two cameras or only one? Do I feel lucky, punk?"
On the A9 north of Perth they are paired. The first is always on the single carriageway, and then the second is on same stretch, just before the next dualled piece of road. Have a look - you can't have average speed over two different stretches with different speed limits, so that means that 2 and 3, 4 and 5 etc can't be linked. It's 1+2, 3+4 etc...all on 60 limits.
Can't say the same for others, such as Forth Bridge where they are all on same speed limit, so I always assume that they are not paired, and you have to keep speed all the way through.
Can't say the same for others, such as Forth Bridge where they are all on same speed limit, so I always assume that they are not paired, and you have to keep speed all the way through.
footsoldier said:
On the A9 north of Perth they are paired. The first is always on the single carriageway, and then the second is on same stretch, just before the next dualled piece of road. Have a look - you can't have average speed over two different stretches with different speed limits, so that means that 2 and 3, 4 and 5 etc can't be linked. It's 1+2, 3+4 etc...all on 60 limits.
Can't say the same for others, such as Forth Bridge where they are all on same speed limit, so I always assume that they are not paired, and you have to keep speed all the way through.
Is that right though? You could technically figure out a minimum amount of time a journey over varying speed limits should take. Where is the restriction that prevents the camera operators from sending out a FPN where the speed limit varies or to put it another way, what restricts the average cameras to only operating on roads where the speed limit doesn't change?Can't say the same for others, such as Forth Bridge where they are all on same speed limit, so I always assume that they are not paired, and you have to keep speed all the way through.
ModernAndy said:
Is that right though? You could technically figure out a minimum amount of time a journey over varying speed limits should take. Where is the restriction that prevents the camera operators from sending out a FPN where the speed limit varies or to put it another way, what restricts the average cameras to only operating on roads where the speed limit doesn't change?
I assume(?) that when you get an FPN it's for the absolute offence of, eg, 71mph in a 60, not exceeding one of the 60 or 70 limits at some point between x and y.simoid said:
I assume(?) that when you get an FPN it's for the absolute offence of, eg, 71mph in a 60, not exceeding one of the 60 or 70 limits at some point between x and y.
I completely understand where you're coming from but could you not make the argument that a 20 mile stretch between 2 cameras on a road that is only 60mph also makes it impossible to pinpoint where the (absolute) offence occurred yet people get fines and points for this? I know that's slightly contentious but I'm being devil's advocate.I've never had points before so it's not really my area and I've only so much to go on. Let's assume the average speed recorded in a zone with 60 and 70 roads of any length and of any ratio is 80mph, would that not be an offence?
I don't know the answer, I'm just not sure what concrete evidence there is to state that average speed cameras can't operate in multi speed limit zones.
footsoldier said:
On the A9 north of Perth they are paired. The first is always on the single carriageway, and then the second is on same stretch, just before the next dualled piece of road. Have a look - you can't have average speed over two different stretches with different speed limits, so that means that 2 and 3, 4 and 5 etc can't be linked. It's 1+2, 3+4 etc...all on 60 limits.
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