A9 average speed cameras

[m3coupe]

I can't rmember who it was on the radio this afternoon, some roads minister or traffic representative however the comment he came away with made me laugh.

Apparently the average speed cameras will improve safety and ensure drivers don't break the speed limit which would cause accidents then in the same sentence, he went on to explain that during studies before the cameras were introduced, road users never actually reached the speed limit anyway so they wouldn't notice the difference.

Another waste of money then.

[Vipers]

Some punter on the news said average speed cameras will make journeys slower, seems to me he is admitting to speeding, tut tut tut.

I cant see a quick fix really.

But at the end of the day, is it really any worse than using the M25.

[Sko77y]

Was driving on the A9 between Stirling and Perth yesterday, GPS on and in the girlfriends Corsa with cruise control, sat bang on 70 the whole way.

LOTS of people sitting at 60! seems people don't know the actual speed limit, or have wildly out speedometers!

Can't see a benefit for it at the moment.

[Tinohead]

Sko77y said:

Was driving on the A9 between Stirling and Perth yesterday, GPS on and in the girlfriends Corsa with cruise control, sat bang on 70 the whole way.

LOTS of people sitting at 60! seems people don't know the actual speed limit, or have wildly out speedometers!

Can't see a benefit for it at the moment.

That's hardly surprising if you ever drive in traffic past a fixed speed camera (I do on the daily commute) - I've lost count of the amount of times I've been behind someone doing 70 or less and they've still slowed down for the camera. Like some sort of strange fear that you can get done for being anywhere near the limit?

[BlackIsler]

Hello folks, long time lurker on here. Can anyone recommend either some hardware or app to give an accurate average speed between the camera points? I travel the road almost daily from Inverness to Perth and I'm finding people slowing down excessively at the locations and then snail pacing past each other in the overtaking lanes. I would like, when safe to do so, be able to overtake (as I normally do/did) quickly and effectively without having to worry about exceeding the average speed between two points. I tried to buy a Pogo Alert Plus but they have ceased production of the unit and the other ones on the market either look too bulky or get poor reviews about subscription fees, false warnings, etc. This is more of a reference tool than anything else. Thanks.

[Vipers]

BlackIsler said:

Hello folks, long time lurker on here. Can anyone recommend either some hardware or app to give an accurate average speed between the camera points? I travel the road almost daily from Inverness to Perth and I'm finding people slowing down excessively at the locations and then snail pacing past each other in the overtaking lanes. I would like, when safe to do so, be able to overtake (as I normally do/did) quickly and effectively without having to worry about exceeding the average speed between two points. I tried to buy a Pogo Alert Plus but they have ceased production of the unit and the other ones on the market either look too bulky or get poor reviews about subscription fees, false warnings, etc. This is more of a reference tool than anything else. Thanks.

What ever this magic box is, surely it would only show the average speed when you pass the next camera, at which time may be too late if you had been exceeding the average speed.

If it somehow shows on approach you have been driving too fast, you will have to slow down, pissing off those behind you surely.

[RG63AMG]

I believe these use IR (infra red ) lights to illuminate cars at night, IF this is the case and you had a night view hand held scope like this..

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/5-40-5MP-Professional-IR...

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Night-Owl-xGen-2x-Digita...

And as you approached the first scamera at night and it was switched on ( bear in mind they are not all going to be on all the time due to power supply problems due to the remote nature, no mains power, no solar panels so it looks like battery's )
And if your "passenger" looked through the scope the area where the scamera would be lit up like a xmas tree even if you don't press you ir illumination button, and if its al dark ITS NOT TURNED ON... I don't know about daylight Yet..

And of course there is no law against having a ir viewer, just don't get seen with it in your hand when driving as in mobile phone..

Just saying like...

Edited by RG63AMG on Thursday 30th October 10:10

Edited by RG63AMG on Thursday 30th October 10:13

Edited by RG63AMG on Thursday 30th October 10:17

[BlackIsler]

Vipers said:

What ever this magic box is, surely it would only show the average speed when you pass the next camera, at which time may be too late if you had been exceeding the average speed.

If it somehow shows on approach you have been driving too fast, you will have to slow down, pissing off those behind you surely.

From what I understand, which more than likely is wrong, is that the likes of the Road Angel, Snooper, etc units use the GPS positions of the sites to warn you and then give you a display of your real-time speed along with a real time average speed?

I love the thought of using night vision IR goggles but I think that not really meet my requirements.

[RG63AMG]

But you would only need " For you passenger " to have a quick look through the IR scope to see what scamera is turned on, Bear in mind they are NOT all going to be all the time, and by using a scope at night you could see if its on or not...

BlackIsler said:

From what I understand, which more than likely is wrong, is that the likes of the Road Angel, Snooper, etc units use the GPS positions of the sites to warn you and then give you a display of your real-time speed along with a real time average speed?

I love the thought of using night vision IR goggles but I think that not really meet my requirements.

[davidexige]

Well I must admit that this then includes me then, I though the speed limit was 60mph on the single carrageway sections and 70mph on the duel carrigeway sections, I guess everyday is a learning day then.

Sko77y said:

Was driving on the A9 between Stirling and Perth yesterday, GPS on and in the girlfriends Corsa with cruise control, sat bang on 70 the whole way.

LOTS of people sitting at 60! seems people don't know the actual speed limit, or have wildly out speedometers!.

[Vipers]

davidexige said:

Well I must admit that this then includes me then, I though the speed limit was 60mph on the single carrageway sections and 70mph on the duel carrigeway sections, I guess everyday is a learning day then.

Sko77y said:

Was driving on the A9 between Stirling and Perth yesterday, GPS on and in the girlfriends Corsa with cruise control, sat bang on 70 the whole way.

LOTS of people sitting at 60! seems people don't know the actual speed limit, or have wildly out speedometers!.

Unless I am missing the obvious, isn't the A9 all dual carriageway and unless indicated otherwise is 70, single carriageways are 60.

Maybe I am not seeing the joke here.

[alangla]

davidexige said:

Well I must admit that this then includes me then, I though the speed limit was 60mph on the single carrageway sections and 70mph on the duel carrigeway sections, I guess everyday is a learning day then.

Sko77y said:

Was driving on the A9 between Stirling and Perth yesterday, GPS on and in the girlfriends Corsa with cruise control, sat bang on 70 the whole way.

LOTS of people sitting at 60! seems people don't know the actual speed limit, or have wildly out speedometers!.

Does anyone know the definitive story around the speed limits on the A9 north of Perth? It looks like it should be NSL throughout, so 60/70, but it's explicitly signed as 60 with repeaters on some of the single carriageway sections and no speed signage at all on the dual sections. I remember a discussion on here a while ago where someone posted that there's a specific exemption from the normal signing regulations for this road & the A82. Also, is there now signage up for the HGV 50 limit?

[Vipers]

alangla said:

Does anyone know the definitive story around the speed limits on the A9 north of Perth? It looks like it should be NSL throughout, so 60/70, but it's explicitly signed as 60 with repeaters on some of the single carriageway sections and no speed signage at all on the dual sections. I remember a discussion on here a while ago where someone posted that there's a specific exemption from the normal signing regulations for this road & the A82. Also, is there now signage up for the HGV 50 limit?

Cars single carriageway 60, dual carriageway 70, unless other limit shows, a section of the A90 is 50, remainder 70.

HGV is 50 on dual carriageway, 40 on single carriageway.

[alangla]

Vipers said:

alangla said:

Does anyone know the definitive story around the speed limits on the A9 north of Perth? It looks like it should be NSL throughout, so 60/70, but it's explicitly signed as 60 with repeaters on some of the single carriageway sections and no speed signage at all on the dual sections. I remember a discussion on here a while ago where someone posted that there's a specific exemption from the normal signing regulations for this road & the A82. Also, is there now signage up for the HGV 50 limit?

Cars single carriageway 60, dual carriageway 70, unless other limit shows, a section of the A90 is 50, remainder 70.

That being the key bit - you pass a 60 board on a single, then go onto a dual with no speed limit change sign. Is it 60 or 70?

[Vipers]

alangla said:

Vipers said:

alangla said:

Does anyone know the definitive story around the speed limits on the A9 north of Perth? It looks like it should be NSL throughout, so 60/70, but it's explicitly signed as 60 with repeaters on some of the single carriageway sections and no speed signage at all on the dual sections. I remember a discussion on here a while ago where someone posted that there's a specific exemption from the normal signing regulations for this road & the A82. Also, is there now signage up for the HGV 50 limit?

Cars single carriageway 60, dual carriageway 70, unless other limit shows, a section of the A90 is 50, remainder 70.

That being the key bit - you pass a 60 board on a single, then go onto a dual with no speed limit change sign. Is it 60 or 70?

My take on this is unless there is a limit posted on approach to the section of dual carriageway, 70 applies.

[davidexige]

Ah, my mistake, that will teach me for not reading the post correctly, when I saw the A9 mentioned I thought we were talking about the section to inverness, not the bit between Stirling and Perth.

Vipers said:

davidexige said:

Well I must admit that this then includes me then, I though the speed limit was 60mph on the single carrageway sections and 70mph on the duel carrigeway sections, I guess everyday is a learning day then.

Sko77y said:

Was driving on the A9 between Stirling and Perth yesterday, GPS on and in the girlfriends Corsa with cruise control, sat bang on 70 the whole way.

LOTS of people sitting at 60! seems people don't know the actual speed limit, or have wildly out speedometers!.

Unless I am missing the obvious, isn't the A9 all dual carriageway and unless indicated otherwise is 70, single carriageways are 60.

Maybe I am not seeing the joke here.

[Vipers]

davidexige said:

Ah, my mistake, that will teach me for not reading the post correctly, when I saw the A9 mentioned I thought we were talking about the section to inverness, not the bit between Stirling and Perth.

Have to admit I had to rethink on that as well, I dont usually drive on that side of Scotland, thank god.

[S2red]

Sko77y said:

Was driving on the A9 between Stirling and Perth yesterday, GPS on and in the girlfriends Corsa with cruise control, sat bang on 70 the whole way.

LOTS of people sitting at 60! seems people don't know the actual speed limit, or have wildly out speedometers!

Can't see a benefit for it at the moment.

I see this all the time SATNAV GPS is accurate and shows just how far out some speedometers must be and stubborn some drivers can be when cruising in "fast" Overtaking lane and will not move back to left to empty inside lanes

[jamesbeaumont]

BlackIsler said:

Hello folks, long time lurker on here. Can anyone recommend either some hardware or app to give an accurate average speed between the camera points? I travel the road almost daily from Inverness to Perth and I'm finding people slowing down excessively at the locations and then snail pacing past each other in the overtaking lanes. I would like, when safe to do so, be able to overtake (as I normally do/did) quickly and effectively without having to worry about exceeding the average speed between two points. I tried to buy a Pogo Alert Plus but they have ceased production of the unit and the other ones on the market either look too bulky or get poor reviews about subscription fees, false warnings, etc. This is more of a reference tool than anything else. Thanks.

Pogo and Road Angel Gem give your live average between cameras as does the Camera Alert App for mobiles

[S2red]

As does TomTom