5p Plastic Bag Charge

5p Plastic Bag Charge

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driver67

Original Poster:

978 posts

165 months

Tuesday 7th October 2014
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Hi All,

I know not many of us up north have our 'below stairs' staff in the same abundance as our southern brethren, but regardless, those of us that do have to frequent the local supermarket will no-doubt have noticed the imminent 5p per plastic bag charge. (20th Oct)

This 5p per bag (which also applies to takeaways, McDonalds etc) is all to be paid to a charity of the establishments choosing.

I'm not very happy at all with this as I prefer to choose my own (if any) charitable givings and trivial amounts actually end up benefiting the relevant cause with the larger greedy charities that pay 100k+ salaries.

Anyone else had any thoughts ?

Cheers,

Dougie.




Jer_1974

1,506 posts

193 months

Tuesday 7th October 2014
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Anyone know what happens if you use self service checkouts.

driver67

Original Poster:

978 posts

165 months

Tuesday 7th October 2014
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Jer_1974 said:
Anyone know what happens if you use self service checkouts.
In Marks & Spencer, you already get the option of small bag (free), bag (5p), large bag (10p).

I always click the small bag (free) which is the normal bag. No problems - Yet.

Pretty sure the other's will have this by the 20th.

ALdi, Lidl already charge for bags, Asda have the warning signs in place.

I always use my own bags now at Asda but this applies to all.

Which charity will your local takeaway be donating to ?



Edited by driver67 on Tuesday 7th October 20:30

Kieranv

465 posts

184 months

Tuesday 7th October 2014
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I'm looking forward to it being implemented. Working in a shop which is already supposed to charge (2p) for bags, I have countless arguments and conversations about the small charge. No arguing now if it's the law!

driver67

Original Poster:

978 posts

165 months

Tuesday 7th October 2014
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Kieranv said:
I'm looking forward to it being implemented. Working in a shop which is already supposed to charge (2p) for bags, I have countless arguments and conversations about the small charge. No arguing now if it's the law!
Working in a shop, don't you think it would be better for the shop just to suck it up (it's part of what you already pay at the moment).

It's a stupid gesture tax from the brainless fkwits as usual.

Olivera

7,122 posts

239 months

Tuesday 7th October 2014
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The environmental benefits are questionable from such a charge.

For example those of us that reuse carrier bags as rubbish bags will instead have to buy bin-bags. Recent research which I read also states that to get a net environmental benefit re-usable carrier bags must be used at least 80 times, and any hemp carrier bag must be used at least 300 times.

driver67

Original Poster:

978 posts

165 months

Tuesday 7th October 2014
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No kidding here, I'm good friends with a guy who was a compulsive gamber, great pool player, brilliant footballer who played professionally for Ayr United.

Born salesman, he ended up selling plastic bags for a living after getting caught stealing cash from the copier company he worked for previously.

These bags cost at most .005p each, why should anyone be forced to pay 5p for them ?


ModernAndy

2,094 posts

135 months

Tuesday 7th October 2014
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I'm in favour of it. Having visited Ireland a few years ago just after they implemented it, I can say definitively that it makes a huge difference to the number of plastic bags going out the door of a supermarket. Although it's convenient, we don't need to use bags that are essentially waste when we could use bags that will last hundreds of times longer. For those that will continue using plastic bags, 5p a go is still perfectly reasonable.

northnoble

362 posts

186 months

Wednesday 8th October 2014
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driver67 said:
These bags cost at most .005p each, why should anyone be forced to pay 5p for them ?
Get a grip.....They are trying to change a habit and the best way to do so is to make it cost, as money is one of the few things we react to. Don't want to give to charity, then take your own bags! (I am sure you would be more pissed off with the shop making the profit on the bags than a charity.... Yes/no?)

Looking back (and showing my age!) the only way they got us to wear seatbelts was to start imposing a fine! Worked pretty well!

The environmental impact may be questionable, but I for one will be glad to see fewer ripped carrier bags littering our streets.



GilesGuthrie

169 posts

147 months

Wednesday 8th October 2014
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northnoble said:
Get a grip.....They are trying to change a habit and the best way to do so is to make it cost, as money is one of the few things we react to. Don't want to give to charity, then take your own bags! (I am sure you would be more pissed off with the shop making the profit on the bags than a charity.... Yes/no?)

Looking back (and showing my age!) the only way they got us to wear seatbelts was to start imposing a fine! Worked pretty well!

The environmental impact may be questionable, but I for one will be glad to see fewer ripped carrier bags littering our streets.
Humans are quite price-insensitive when it comes to habits. By way of example: smoking and drinking. We are also paying double the pre-Millennium cost of fuel, but not driving any less.

It's yet another example of the Scottish Government doing something simply to be seen to be doing something, thereby justifying its power & expense, and delivering the illusion of self-determination to a minority.

ModernAndy

2,094 posts

135 months

Wednesday 8th October 2014
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GilesGuthrie said:
It's yet another example of the Scottish Government doing something simply to be seen to be doing something, thereby justifying its power & expense, and delivering the illusion of self-determination to a minority.
Ignoring the self-determination cynicism, it's something that's going to happen all over the developed world soon enough and plastic bags are unnecessary. We need to cut down on the waste we create even if it does come at the cost of a little convenience.

Avdb

176 posts

118 months

Wednesday 8th October 2014
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Great to see it happen - plastic-free is the way to go!

H.7

154 posts

244 months

Wednesday 8th October 2014
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So why don't the shops offer paper bags instead of plastic ones? Presumably these would be more environmentally friendly?

H.7

154 posts

244 months

Wednesday 8th October 2014
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So why don't the shops offer paper bags instead of plastic ones? Presumably these would be more environmentally friendly?

Andy Bell

333 posts

139 months

Wednesday 8th October 2014
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H.7 said:
So why don't the shops offer paper bags instead of plastic ones? Presumably these would be more environmentally friendly?
charge is still for paper bags but yes would be better.

H.7

154 posts

244 months

Thursday 9th October 2014
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Andy Bell said:
charge is still for paper bags but yes would be better.
Really? So it's got nothing to do with the environment then. Just another tax frown

ModernAndy

2,094 posts

135 months

Thursday 9th October 2014
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H.7 said:
Really? So it's got nothing to do with the environment then. Just another tax frown
If paper bags became popular they would be taxed too. The idea is to get people to re-use bags instead of treating them as disposable.

StescoG66

2,116 posts

143 months

Thursday 9th October 2014
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driver67 said:
No kidding here, I'm good friends with a guy who was a compulsive gamber, great pool player, brilliant footballer who played professionally for Ayr United.

Born salesman, he ended up selling plastic bags for a living after getting caught stealing cash from the copier company he worked for previously.

These bags cost at most .005p each, why should anyone be forced to pay 5p for them ?
I work in this industry myself for a wholesaler in Glasgow. I may know him.......

Andy Bell

333 posts

139 months

Thursday 9th October 2014
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ModernAndy said:
If paper bags became popular they would be taxed too. The idea is to get people to re-use bags instead of treating them as disposable.
i know this because (shamefully) i ate a McDonalds last night for dinner and was a sign on counter. And for those that want to know - it was ok.

Mr Trophy

6,808 posts

203 months

Thursday 9th October 2014
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Just so I am crystal clear OP, for example, you go to Macy D's and buy food which comes in a bag - one bag.

You have an issue of paying 5p for this, which goes to charity?