Sneaky speed camera north of Forth Road Bridge
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I've noticed traffic police with hand held speed cameras a few times recently, on the M90 immediately off the north side of the Forth Road Bridge so in the layby on the left targeting north-bound traffic.
That seems incredibly sneaky to me on the basis that on a calm day virtually no one sticks to 50mph (the bridge's limit).
I thought they had to target areas with accident records and where a proportion of those accidents were attributed to excessive speed? Or is this just Police Scotland out to raise funds at the expense of the average motorist.
That seems incredibly sneaky to me on the basis that on a calm day virtually no one sticks to 50mph (the bridge's limit).
I thought they had to target areas with accident records and where a proportion of those accidents were attributed to excessive speed? Or is this just Police Scotland out to raise funds at the expense of the average motorist.
boardinscotland said:
They have been doing this for a while. Have seen them on numerous occasions. (I live very close to there).
My friend got caught by them a few months ago and as you say they are very hard to see.
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Any idea what the justification for that spot is? I've never known of accidents there? My friend got caught by them a few months ago and as you say they are very hard to see.
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Or is it just to help hit targets / raise funds because they know that misr traffic flow automatically exceeds 50mph almost all the time?
Edinburger said:
Any idea what the justification for that spot is? I've never known of accidents there?
Or is it just to help hit targets / raise funds because they know that misr traffic flow automatically exceeds 50mph almost all the time?
No idea unless it is do with the new bridge. ???? No workmen on the A90 though as yet. I think funds are needed lolOr is it just to help hit targets / raise funds because they know that misr traffic flow automatically exceeds 50mph almost all the time?
The erskine bridge will be next for this I expect.
After weeks of road works beefing up the barriers - so the bridge is now probably safer than it's ever been - they reduced the limit to 50mph.
The only reason given for doing this was "to bring the speed limit into line with other bridges in scotland"
when I travel it the 50mph is widely ignored so it'll be next on the speed camera money making list.
After weeks of road works beefing up the barriers - so the bridge is now probably safer than it's ever been - they reduced the limit to 50mph.
The only reason given for doing this was "to bring the speed limit into line with other bridges in scotland"
when I travel it the 50mph is widely ignored so it'll be next on the speed camera money making list.
Police Scotland is no longer a criminal investigation organisation, it is now a revenue generating service targetting easy victims i.e. motorists. The people pushing all this anti speed campaigns will point to a reduction in accidents and road deaths since the introduction of speed cameras, totally ignoring the vast advances in technology in cars in the same period making them much safer and more forgiving when the drivers talent runs out, ABS,TC, DSC, automatic wipers, automatic lighting, greatly improved braking materials, improved tyre tread patterns for dispersing water, etc etc etc.
Edited by imagineifyeswill on Sunday 25th January 12:48
Well... (Preparing to get shot down in flames here)
Firstly, I believe there have been a fair few (thankfully non-fatal) accidents on the FRB but also they've been stalking cars from the layby there for years. If you're going to speed then make sure you're doing an acceptable speed for the last bit of the bridge and you've nothing to worry about. Also, I've seen the odd copper waiting up at the top of the hill just round the corner where it's still a 50mph zone but half the traffic does 70 so beware of that too,
Firstly, I believe there have been a fair few (thankfully non-fatal) accidents on the FRB but also they've been stalking cars from the layby there for years. If you're going to speed then make sure you're doing an acceptable speed for the last bit of the bridge and you've nothing to worry about. Also, I've seen the odd copper waiting up at the top of the hill just round the corner where it's still a 50mph zone but half the traffic does 70 so beware of that too,
ModernAndy said:
Well... (Preparing to get shot down in flames here)
Firstly, I believe there have been a fair few (thankfully non-fatal) accidents on the FRB but also they've been stalking cars from the layby there for years. If you're going to speed then make sure you're doing an acceptable speed for the last bit of the bridge and you've nothing to worry about. Also, I've seen the odd copper waiting up at the top of the hill just round the corner where it's still a 50mph zone but half the traffic does 70 so beware of that too,
Andy, there may have been a few accidents on the bridge itself over it's history but I'm not aware of any on the northbound exit lanes, but te point is that the majority of drivers quite rightly prepare for the faster limit on the M90 when they're leaving the bridge and so positioning this speed trap there just reeks of revenue raising - not road safety.Firstly, I believe there have been a fair few (thankfully non-fatal) accidents on the FRB but also they've been stalking cars from the layby there for years. If you're going to speed then make sure you're doing an acceptable speed for the last bit of the bridge and you've nothing to worry about. Also, I've seen the odd copper waiting up at the top of the hill just round the corner where it's still a 50mph zone but half the traffic does 70 so beware of that too,
If it were about road safety then why not have it on the A985 (the road to Kincardine Bridge from Dunfermline)? That's a dangerous road in places. But hang on, less cars = less speeding = less revenue.
If the police want credibility for their speed traps then place them in appropriate places. Built up areas, by schools, A roads with accident history, etc. Not motorways and certainly not hiding in a layby.
O/T I was overtaken by a speed camera van on the M8 a few months ago just west of Glasgow, I'd estimate he was doing 65-70 in a 50.
Edinburger said:
Andy, there may have been a few accidents on the bridge itself over it's history but I'm not aware of any on the northbound exit lanes, but te point is that the majority of drivers quite rightly prepare for the faster limit on the M90 when they're leaving the bridge and so positioning this speed trap there just reeks of revenue raising - not road safety.
If it were about road safety then why not have it on the A985 (the road to Kincardine Bridge from Dunfermline)? That's a dangerous road in places. But hang on, less cars = less speeding = less revenue.
If the police want credibility for their speed traps then place them in appropriate places. Built up areas, by schools, A roads with accident history, etc. Not motorways and certainly not hiding in a layby.
O/T I was overtaken by a speed camera van on the M8 a few months ago just west of Glasgow, I'd estimate he was doing 65-70 in a 50.
I certainly don't remember any accidents up to the north either apart from seeing one idiot doing something stupid which resulted in them hitting the concrete wall but this wasn't reported as far as I'm aware and another just past where it becomes a 70 where some idiot managed to do a very dramatic spin in the wet. The 70 zone is a good mile or so away from the end of the bridge though and I'm not sure it's quite right as you say to do 70 in a 50 where there's lots of lane changes going on ahead due to lorries needing to escape the layby and cars slowing down for the next exit.If it were about road safety then why not have it on the A985 (the road to Kincardine Bridge from Dunfermline)? That's a dangerous road in places. But hang on, less cars = less speeding = less revenue.
If the police want credibility for their speed traps then place them in appropriate places. Built up areas, by schools, A roads with accident history, etc. Not motorways and certainly not hiding in a layby.
O/T I was overtaken by a speed camera van on the M8 a few months ago just west of Glasgow, I'd estimate he was doing 65-70 in a 50.
I very rarely speed and if I do I make sure it's not near anybody else so I'm not too worried about where the police put cameras and if I get caught on those rare occasions I will be annoyed but certainly wouldn't blame the police for catching me.
If I had to say something positive about the positioning of police cameras; strategically, it makes more sense to have the element of surprise as it will hopefully slow down speeders everywhere and not just at the points that there's likely to be cameras.
ModernAndy said:
Edinburger said:
Andy, there may have been a few accidents on the bridge itself over it's history but I'm not aware of any on the northbound exit lanes, but te point is that the majority of drivers quite rightly prepare for the faster limit on the M90 when they're leaving the bridge and so positioning this speed trap there just reeks of revenue raising - not road safety.
If it were about road safety then why not have it on the A985 (the road to Kincardine Bridge from Dunfermline)? That's a dangerous road in places. But hang on, less cars = less speeding = less revenue.
If the police want credibility for their speed traps then place them in appropriate places. Built up areas, by schools, A roads with accident history, etc. Not motorways and certainly not hiding in a layby.
O/T I was overtaken by a speed camera van on the M8 a few months ago just west of Glasgow, I'd estimate he was doing 65-70 in a 50.
I certainly don't remember any accidents up to the north either apart from seeing one idiot doing something stupid which resulted in them hitting the concrete wall but this wasn't reported as far as I'm aware and another just past where it becomes a 70 where some idiot managed to do a very dramatic spin in the wet. The 70 zone is a good mile or so away from the end of the bridge though and I'm not sure it's quite right as you say to do 70 in a 50 where there's lots of lane changes going on ahead due to lorries needing to escape the layby and cars slowing down for the next exit.If it were about road safety then why not have it on the A985 (the road to Kincardine Bridge from Dunfermline)? That's a dangerous road in places. But hang on, less cars = less speeding = less revenue.
If the police want credibility for their speed traps then place them in appropriate places. Built up areas, by schools, A roads with accident history, etc. Not motorways and certainly not hiding in a layby.
O/T I was overtaken by a speed camera van on the M8 a few months ago just west of Glasgow, I'd estimate he was doing 65-70 in a 50.
I very rarely speed and if I do I make sure it's not near anybody else so I'm not too worried about where the police put cameras and if I get caught on those rare occasions I will be annoyed but certainly wouldn't blame the police for catching me.
If I had to say something positive about the positioning of police cameras; strategically, it makes more sense to have the element of surprise as it will hopefully slow down speeders everywhere and not just at the points that there's likely to be cameras.
But, I've never seen or known of an accident on the M90 just off the FRB. I was very aware that all traffic was over 50mph when Plod's head appeared probably catching me and others and the sneakiness of the position annoyed me.
As I say, get on built up areas, A roads, outside schools, etc.
tonytifoso said:
Average speed cameras and a reduced 4omph limit for bridge just said on BBC Scotland News W.T.F.!!
Queensferry Crossing: Main towers reach halfway point"It will become very visual now in terms of what the public can see and in terms of the Queensferry Crossing itself starting to really take shape."
Mr Climie said average speed cameras would be needed on the Forth Road Bridge as preparations were made on surrounding roads for the new crossing.
He added: "From the spring this year we will be introducing average speed cameras from the south end of the Forth Road Bridge right through to the Admiralty junction on the M90.
"That will have a 40mph average speed limit, really just to control traffic through that period of extensive roadworks.
"I should emphasise that there will still be two lanes of traffic in each direction on the bridge until the opening of the replacement Forth crossing."
How depressing. I realise they are there to protect roadside workers but what was wrong with people just using common sense and slowing down when they actually see construction workers by the roadside?
Feels like it is game over for "making progress" in Scotland at the moment. What with councils dropping limits, average speed cameras proliferating, speed traps at ostensibly "safe" places, 20mph limits in Edinburgh, and now it’s not just the police but your neighbour you need to look out for as they shop you for being flashed by speed indicator display signs.
Time to admit defeat and get a Kia Piccanto like everyone else?
Feels like it is game over for "making progress" in Scotland at the moment. What with councils dropping limits, average speed cameras proliferating, speed traps at ostensibly "safe" places, 20mph limits in Edinburgh, and now it’s not just the police but your neighbour you need to look out for as they shop you for being flashed by speed indicator display signs.
Time to admit defeat and get a Kia Piccanto like everyone else?
Lil'RedGTO said:
How depressing. I realise they are there to protect roadside workers but what was wrong with people just using common sense and slowing down when they actually see construction workers by the roadside?
Feels like it is game over for "making progress" in Scotland at the moment. What with councils dropping limits, average speed cameras proliferating, speed traps at ostensibly "safe" places, 20mph limits in Edinburgh, and now it’s not just the police but your neighbour you need to look out for as they shop you for being flashed by speed indicator display signs.
Time to admit defeat and get a Kia Piccanto like everyone else?
If the cameras are there to protect roadside workers then, err..., aren't they installing them on the wrong bridge?!Feels like it is game over for "making progress" in Scotland at the moment. What with councils dropping limits, average speed cameras proliferating, speed traps at ostensibly "safe" places, 20mph limits in Edinburgh, and now it’s not just the police but your neighbour you need to look out for as they shop you for being flashed by speed indicator display signs.
Time to admit defeat and get a Kia Piccanto like everyone else?
It would no surprise if the new bridge hasd cameras installed from day one but I don't understand why they're putting them on the old bridge. Perhaps that police camera I saw was monitoring average speeds...?!
The new bridge will have wind protection to reduce the impact of wind on all bridge users (i.e. when they reduce the speed limits/ban certain vechicles) so I wouldn't expect it to have a reduced limit when it's windy - but we'll see.
They are going to have to integrate the approach for the FRC with the roads north of the old bridge, so there will be much closer sets of roadworks and even joining ones I assume.
Seems reasonable.
The way traffic piles off the bridge heading northbound and then starts the wacky races up the hill, which always feels narrower than it ought to be, it does not seem that daft a place to moderate speed and reduce speed differential.
Seems reasonable.
The way traffic piles off the bridge heading northbound and then starts the wacky races up the hill, which always feels narrower than it ought to be, it does not seem that daft a place to moderate speed and reduce speed differential.
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