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two4oneuk said:
3n4 3n5 looks ok. It saves on logistics and keeps people in a job. Being sold to leadership as a 161 rota 3 weeks with extended leave periods. She'll are asking bp how it looks
It looks ok for dayshift/nightshift people but it gets awckward for dayshift only roles as there is a good bit of overlap of the 3 people in role. Will be interesting to see how they work it if they go for it. After reading most, but not all, of the posts on this thread I just have to reply as some of the commentson here actually BOIL MY P***!!!
As an offshore worker, on 2/3 rota, I am disgusted at some of the attitudes and drivel that has been posted on here.
On a 2/3 Rota we work the SAME AMOUNT OF HOURS as folk doing a 37.5hour week...not only that any time off we have after our shift has to be spent on an oil rig with little freedom. This actually equates to us spending 2/5ths of our lives AT OUR WORKPLACE. 24hours a say for 2weeks at work....still at risk due to ongoing DANGEROUS processes, still on call for some, still have to attend to any emergencies in our time off.
Compared to the avg. Joe that does 37.5 hour week which equates to 1/5th of his life spent at his workplace, thats right HALF OF THE AMOUNT OF TIME.
Forcing offshore workers to go equal time is immoral and disgusting. I know there are people that do equal time already, but I completely disapprove of it, it's not right (some actually get 4weeks holiday btw so only work 1 week more than 2/3rota!!!!)....for those that do equal time it was likely YOUR OWN CHOICE, you applied for the job...alot of the time you aren't forced to work either, you chose to take the job rather than take the time off (not everyone though)...I decided to go offshore because it offered more time off than I was at work, JUST LIKE YOUR OFFICE JOBS, now i'm being told that will be taken away from me.
Going equal time means we'd LITERALLY BE SPENDING MORE THAN HALF OF OUR LIVES ON AN OIL RIG......why doesn't that sink in to people. It's inhumane and totally disgraceful....nobody should have to practically live offshore and have holidays home!!
Another thing is people go on about 3weeks off at time and how good quality time off it is, I REALLY DON'T BUY THIS ARGUMENT. I've had 2 birthdays off in 9 years, missed 2 weddings, possibly miss the birth of my own child, missed COUNTLESS social events with friends, I could be offshore when my partner is in a fatal accident and not be at her side the moment she dies in hospital. I've missed christenings in the family, engagement parties.....the list can go on.
Also who's to say YOU DON'T HAVE QUALITY TIME OFF???? After your 5pm finish YOU HAVE 6.5hours EVERY DAY to do WHATEVER YOU LIKE WITH THE PEOPLE YOU LIKE! I don't buy this inconvenience bull***t either, DIY Stores, Supermarkets, Clothes outlets etc... ALOT of them stay open WAY PAST your 5pm finish. Some supermarkets are 24hours! Offshore workers on the otherhand, if their partners work a normal job, have to spend the majority of their time off ON THEIR OWN as partners are at work and kids are at school. 9-5 jobs everyone is off at the same time so its a MUCH MUCH more sociable position to be in!
Another thing....From experience, Long distance jobs cause MASSIVE Stresses in relationships....there are people I know who's dads worked abroad 4/4 and none of their families are still together...divorced etc... I'm sure divorce rates are higher within jobs like this.
Another thing is Long hours and shift work, particularly nightshift, has been proven to reduce your life expectancy. Add that in with dangerous environments and risks of flying in helicopters...
The person that said that most of the risks offshore IS FLYING, your talking utter utter drivel!!! Everyday were exposed to chemicals, extreme pressures etc... it's a highly dangerous environment....fair enough it doesn't often go wrong but when it does it's sometimes catastrophic and fatal or severe injury.
As for the person preaching about haveing to spend 1hr a day travelling to work....you forgot that alot of us, me included, have to travel to Aberdeen the night before on a 6hour train journey and stay in a below average hotel for the night. I set off at 5pm Tuesday and get to work at 10am Wedndesday...thats 17hours of being where I don't want to be....then the train home from the platform, theres another approx. 9hours of travelling. Total 26hours, 10x per year. = 260hours ....I believe that is more time lost than your 1hr per work day of travel?
Another thing, HEALTH, a place like this is NOT GOOD for your physical or mental health, FACT. Long hours, Stress, depression, exposure to chemicals....and if anything was to go wrong, ie. Heart attack, stroke etc... we dont have a team of health professional or the equipment readily available to help people in those situations, we have a single guy, the medic. We'd have to be medivac'd by helicopter, the whole process taking AT LEAST 2hours....i'd love for some1 to work out you chances of survival vs. onshore.
Another thing i'd also like to point out is, yes the industry is in a downturn, but these oil companies are STILL turning over Millions, if not BILLIONS, of profits every year. The ones that don't have made the mistakes, made bad decisions, made bad investments and had poor business plans...and now, ultimately, we're paying the price.... I simply do not believe that these companies cannot profit HUGELY because we're still on 2/3 rota, it's utter cods**t.
Last but not least.....people should not be so naive in thinking that these companies are not out to shaft us!!! People need to stand up for their rights. Every worker offshore should work 2/3...it's fair, how can u disagree!?
To put into perspective.....say we all go 3/3 ....the oil price picks up....we'd still stay 3/3.....5years later another downturn comes along...they'll pull another stunt and say 3/3 is no longer viable people have to do 3/2 rota's and we'll get shafted again!
So taking ALL of the above into account, i'm disgusted to hear that people thing we should spend MORE OF OUR LIVES AT WORK, put ourselves at MORE RISK, miss more of our lives due to work....I'm sorry BUT IT'S EASY FOR YOU TO SAY!!!
People honestly just see the 3weeks off and get bitter and assume we have a perfect life, well im sorry to say THAT ISN'T THE CASE!
/RANT
As an offshore worker, on 2/3 rota, I am disgusted at some of the attitudes and drivel that has been posted on here.
On a 2/3 Rota we work the SAME AMOUNT OF HOURS as folk doing a 37.5hour week...not only that any time off we have after our shift has to be spent on an oil rig with little freedom. This actually equates to us spending 2/5ths of our lives AT OUR WORKPLACE. 24hours a say for 2weeks at work....still at risk due to ongoing DANGEROUS processes, still on call for some, still have to attend to any emergencies in our time off.
Compared to the avg. Joe that does 37.5 hour week which equates to 1/5th of his life spent at his workplace, thats right HALF OF THE AMOUNT OF TIME.
Forcing offshore workers to go equal time is immoral and disgusting. I know there are people that do equal time already, but I completely disapprove of it, it's not right (some actually get 4weeks holiday btw so only work 1 week more than 2/3rota!!!!)....for those that do equal time it was likely YOUR OWN CHOICE, you applied for the job...alot of the time you aren't forced to work either, you chose to take the job rather than take the time off (not everyone though)...I decided to go offshore because it offered more time off than I was at work, JUST LIKE YOUR OFFICE JOBS, now i'm being told that will be taken away from me.
Going equal time means we'd LITERALLY BE SPENDING MORE THAN HALF OF OUR LIVES ON AN OIL RIG......why doesn't that sink in to people. It's inhumane and totally disgraceful....nobody should have to practically live offshore and have holidays home!!
Another thing is people go on about 3weeks off at time and how good quality time off it is, I REALLY DON'T BUY THIS ARGUMENT. I've had 2 birthdays off in 9 years, missed 2 weddings, possibly miss the birth of my own child, missed COUNTLESS social events with friends, I could be offshore when my partner is in a fatal accident and not be at her side the moment she dies in hospital. I've missed christenings in the family, engagement parties.....the list can go on.
Also who's to say YOU DON'T HAVE QUALITY TIME OFF???? After your 5pm finish YOU HAVE 6.5hours EVERY DAY to do WHATEVER YOU LIKE WITH THE PEOPLE YOU LIKE! I don't buy this inconvenience bull***t either, DIY Stores, Supermarkets, Clothes outlets etc... ALOT of them stay open WAY PAST your 5pm finish. Some supermarkets are 24hours! Offshore workers on the otherhand, if their partners work a normal job, have to spend the majority of their time off ON THEIR OWN as partners are at work and kids are at school. 9-5 jobs everyone is off at the same time so its a MUCH MUCH more sociable position to be in!
Another thing....From experience, Long distance jobs cause MASSIVE Stresses in relationships....there are people I know who's dads worked abroad 4/4 and none of their families are still together...divorced etc... I'm sure divorce rates are higher within jobs like this.
Another thing is Long hours and shift work, particularly nightshift, has been proven to reduce your life expectancy. Add that in with dangerous environments and risks of flying in helicopters...
The person that said that most of the risks offshore IS FLYING, your talking utter utter drivel!!! Everyday were exposed to chemicals, extreme pressures etc... it's a highly dangerous environment....fair enough it doesn't often go wrong but when it does it's sometimes catastrophic and fatal or severe injury.
As for the person preaching about haveing to spend 1hr a day travelling to work....you forgot that alot of us, me included, have to travel to Aberdeen the night before on a 6hour train journey and stay in a below average hotel for the night. I set off at 5pm Tuesday and get to work at 10am Wedndesday...thats 17hours of being where I don't want to be....then the train home from the platform, theres another approx. 9hours of travelling. Total 26hours, 10x per year. = 260hours ....I believe that is more time lost than your 1hr per work day of travel?
Another thing, HEALTH, a place like this is NOT GOOD for your physical or mental health, FACT. Long hours, Stress, depression, exposure to chemicals....and if anything was to go wrong, ie. Heart attack, stroke etc... we dont have a team of health professional or the equipment readily available to help people in those situations, we have a single guy, the medic. We'd have to be medivac'd by helicopter, the whole process taking AT LEAST 2hours....i'd love for some1 to work out you chances of survival vs. onshore.
Another thing i'd also like to point out is, yes the industry is in a downturn, but these oil companies are STILL turning over Millions, if not BILLIONS, of profits every year. The ones that don't have made the mistakes, made bad decisions, made bad investments and had poor business plans...and now, ultimately, we're paying the price.... I simply do not believe that these companies cannot profit HUGELY because we're still on 2/3 rota, it's utter cods**t.
Last but not least.....people should not be so naive in thinking that these companies are not out to shaft us!!! People need to stand up for their rights. Every worker offshore should work 2/3...it's fair, how can u disagree!?
To put into perspective.....say we all go 3/3 ....the oil price picks up....we'd still stay 3/3.....5years later another downturn comes along...they'll pull another stunt and say 3/3 is no longer viable people have to do 3/2 rota's and we'll get shafted again!
So taking ALL of the above into account, i'm disgusted to hear that people thing we should spend MORE OF OUR LIVES AT WORK, put ourselves at MORE RISK, miss more of our lives due to work....I'm sorry BUT IT'S EASY FOR YOU TO SAY!!!
People honestly just see the 3weeks off and get bitter and assume we have a perfect life, well im sorry to say THAT ISN'T THE CASE!
/RANT
I agree with a great deal of what you say Dean
problem is the workforce are not up for a fight IMO
and lots will jump into yours and my slot.
As soon as the WORKING TIME DIRECTIVE fight was lost , the writing was on the wall for this.
I'm still 2/3 but I know the client is pressurising my co. to look at equal time.(as all the majors are pushing this on to their contractors)
problem is the workforce are not up for a fight IMO
and lots will jump into yours and my slot.
As soon as the WORKING TIME DIRECTIVE fight was lost , the writing was on the wall for this.
I'm still 2/3 but I know the client is pressurising my co. to look at equal time.(as all the majors are pushing this on to their contractors)
Dean-k68wf said:
After reading most, but not all, of the posts on this thread I just have to reply as some of the commentson here actually BOIL MY P***!!!
As an offshore worker, on 2/3 rota, I am disgusted at some of the attitudes and drivel that has been posted on here.
On a 2/3 Rota we work the SAME AMOUNT OF HOURS as folk doing a 37.5hour week...not only that any time off we have after our shift has to be spent on an oil rig with little freedom. This actually equates to us spending 2/5ths of our lives AT OUR WORKPLACE. 24hours a say for 2weeks at work....still at risk due to ongoing DANGEROUS processes, still on call for some, still have to attend to any emergencies in our time off.
Compared to the avg. Joe that does 37.5 hour week which equates to 1/5th of his life spent at his workplace, thats right HALF OF THE AMOUNT OF TIME.
Forcing offshore workers to go equal time is immoral and disgusting. I know there are people that do equal time already, but I completely disapprove of it, it's not right (some actually get 4weeks holiday btw so only work 1 week more than 2/3rota!!!!)....for those that do equal time it was likely YOUR OWN CHOICE, you applied for the job...alot of the time you aren't forced to work either, you chose to take the job rather than take the time off (not everyone though)...I decided to go offshore because it offered more time off than I was at work, JUST LIKE YOUR OFFICE JOBS, now i'm being told that will be taken away from me.
Going equal time means we'd LITERALLY BE SPENDING MORE THAN HALF OF OUR LIVES ON AN OIL RIG......why doesn't that sink in to people. It's inhumane and totally disgraceful....nobody should have to practically live offshore and have holidays home!!
Another thing is people go on about 3weeks off at time and how good quality time off it is, I REALLY DON'T BUY THIS ARGUMENT. I've had 2 birthdays off in 9 years, missed 2 weddings, possibly miss the birth of my own child, missed COUNTLESS social events with friends, I could be offshore when my partner is in a fatal accident and not be at her side the moment she dies in hospital. I've missed christenings in the family, engagement parties.....the list can go on.
Also who's to say YOU DON'T HAVE QUALITY TIME OFF???? After your 5pm finish YOU HAVE 6.5hours EVERY DAY to do WHATEVER YOU LIKE WITH THE PEOPLE YOU LIKE! I don't buy this inconvenience bull***t either, DIY Stores, Supermarkets, Clothes outlets etc... ALOT of them stay open WAY PAST your 5pm finish. Some supermarkets are 24hours! Offshore workers on the otherhand, if their partners work a normal job, have to spend the majority of their time off ON THEIR OWN as partners are at work and kids are at school. 9-5 jobs everyone is off at the same time so its a MUCH MUCH more sociable position to be in!
Another thing....From experience, Long distance jobs cause MASSIVE Stresses in relationships....there are people I know who's dads worked abroad 4/4 and none of their families are still together...divorced etc... I'm sure divorce rates are higher within jobs like this.
Another thing is Long hours and shift work, particularly nightshift, has been proven to reduce your life expectancy. Add that in with dangerous environments and risks of flying in helicopters...
The person that said that most of the risks offshore IS FLYING, your talking utter utter drivel!!! Everyday were exposed to chemicals, extreme pressures etc... it's a highly dangerous environment....fair enough it doesn't often go wrong but when it does it's sometimes catastrophic and fatal or severe injury.
As for the person preaching about haveing to spend 1hr a day travelling to work....you forgot that alot of us, me included, have to travel to Aberdeen the night before on a 6hour train journey and stay in a below average hotel for the night. I set off at 5pm Tuesday and get to work at 10am Wedndesday...thats 17hours of being where I don't want to be....then the train home from the platform, theres another approx. 9hours of travelling. Total 26hours, 10x per year. = 260hours ....I believe that is more time lost than your 1hr per work day of travel?
Another thing, HEALTH, a place like this is NOT GOOD for your physical or mental health, FACT. Long hours, Stress, depression, exposure to chemicals....and if anything was to go wrong, ie. Heart attack, stroke etc... we dont have a team of health professional or the equipment readily available to help people in those situations, we have a single guy, the medic. We'd have to be medivac'd by helicopter, the whole process taking AT LEAST 2hours....i'd love for some1 to work out you chances of survival vs. onshore.
Another thing i'd also like to point out is, yes the industry is in a downturn, but these oil companies are STILL turning over Millions, if not BILLIONS, of profits every year. The ones that don't have made the mistakes, made bad decisions, made bad investments and had poor business plans...and now, ultimately, we're paying the price.... I simply do not believe that these companies cannot profit HUGELY because we're still on 2/3 rota, it's utter cods**t.
Last but not least.....people should not be so naive in thinking that these companies are not out to shaft us!!! People need to stand up for their rights. Every worker offshore should work 2/3...it's fair, how can u disagree!?
To put into perspective.....say we all go 3/3 ....the oil price picks up....we'd still stay 3/3.....5years later another downturn comes along...they'll pull another stunt and say 3/3 is no longer viable people have to do 3/2 rota's and we'll get shafted again!
So taking ALL of the above into account, i'm disgusted to hear that people thing we should spend MORE OF OUR LIVES AT WORK, put ourselves at MORE RISK, miss more of our lives due to work....I'm sorry BUT IT'S EASY FOR YOU TO SAY!!!
People honestly just see the 3weeks off and get bitter and assume we have a perfect life, well im sorry to say THAT ISN'T THE CASE!
/RANT
Sounds like u need a change of career mate. As an offshore worker, on 2/3 rota, I am disgusted at some of the attitudes and drivel that has been posted on here.
On a 2/3 Rota we work the SAME AMOUNT OF HOURS as folk doing a 37.5hour week...not only that any time off we have after our shift has to be spent on an oil rig with little freedom. This actually equates to us spending 2/5ths of our lives AT OUR WORKPLACE. 24hours a say for 2weeks at work....still at risk due to ongoing DANGEROUS processes, still on call for some, still have to attend to any emergencies in our time off.
Compared to the avg. Joe that does 37.5 hour week which equates to 1/5th of his life spent at his workplace, thats right HALF OF THE AMOUNT OF TIME.
Forcing offshore workers to go equal time is immoral and disgusting. I know there are people that do equal time already, but I completely disapprove of it, it's not right (some actually get 4weeks holiday btw so only work 1 week more than 2/3rota!!!!)....for those that do equal time it was likely YOUR OWN CHOICE, you applied for the job...alot of the time you aren't forced to work either, you chose to take the job rather than take the time off (not everyone though)...I decided to go offshore because it offered more time off than I was at work, JUST LIKE YOUR OFFICE JOBS, now i'm being told that will be taken away from me.
Going equal time means we'd LITERALLY BE SPENDING MORE THAN HALF OF OUR LIVES ON AN OIL RIG......why doesn't that sink in to people. It's inhumane and totally disgraceful....nobody should have to practically live offshore and have holidays home!!
Another thing is people go on about 3weeks off at time and how good quality time off it is, I REALLY DON'T BUY THIS ARGUMENT. I've had 2 birthdays off in 9 years, missed 2 weddings, possibly miss the birth of my own child, missed COUNTLESS social events with friends, I could be offshore when my partner is in a fatal accident and not be at her side the moment she dies in hospital. I've missed christenings in the family, engagement parties.....the list can go on.
Also who's to say YOU DON'T HAVE QUALITY TIME OFF???? After your 5pm finish YOU HAVE 6.5hours EVERY DAY to do WHATEVER YOU LIKE WITH THE PEOPLE YOU LIKE! I don't buy this inconvenience bull***t either, DIY Stores, Supermarkets, Clothes outlets etc... ALOT of them stay open WAY PAST your 5pm finish. Some supermarkets are 24hours! Offshore workers on the otherhand, if their partners work a normal job, have to spend the majority of their time off ON THEIR OWN as partners are at work and kids are at school. 9-5 jobs everyone is off at the same time so its a MUCH MUCH more sociable position to be in!
Another thing....From experience, Long distance jobs cause MASSIVE Stresses in relationships....there are people I know who's dads worked abroad 4/4 and none of their families are still together...divorced etc... I'm sure divorce rates are higher within jobs like this.
Another thing is Long hours and shift work, particularly nightshift, has been proven to reduce your life expectancy. Add that in with dangerous environments and risks of flying in helicopters...
The person that said that most of the risks offshore IS FLYING, your talking utter utter drivel!!! Everyday were exposed to chemicals, extreme pressures etc... it's a highly dangerous environment....fair enough it doesn't often go wrong but when it does it's sometimes catastrophic and fatal or severe injury.
As for the person preaching about haveing to spend 1hr a day travelling to work....you forgot that alot of us, me included, have to travel to Aberdeen the night before on a 6hour train journey and stay in a below average hotel for the night. I set off at 5pm Tuesday and get to work at 10am Wedndesday...thats 17hours of being where I don't want to be....then the train home from the platform, theres another approx. 9hours of travelling. Total 26hours, 10x per year. = 260hours ....I believe that is more time lost than your 1hr per work day of travel?
Another thing, HEALTH, a place like this is NOT GOOD for your physical or mental health, FACT. Long hours, Stress, depression, exposure to chemicals....and if anything was to go wrong, ie. Heart attack, stroke etc... we dont have a team of health professional or the equipment readily available to help people in those situations, we have a single guy, the medic. We'd have to be medivac'd by helicopter, the whole process taking AT LEAST 2hours....i'd love for some1 to work out you chances of survival vs. onshore.
Another thing i'd also like to point out is, yes the industry is in a downturn, but these oil companies are STILL turning over Millions, if not BILLIONS, of profits every year. The ones that don't have made the mistakes, made bad decisions, made bad investments and had poor business plans...and now, ultimately, we're paying the price.... I simply do not believe that these companies cannot profit HUGELY because we're still on 2/3 rota, it's utter cods**t.
Last but not least.....people should not be so naive in thinking that these companies are not out to shaft us!!! People need to stand up for their rights. Every worker offshore should work 2/3...it's fair, how can u disagree!?
To put into perspective.....say we all go 3/3 ....the oil price picks up....we'd still stay 3/3.....5years later another downturn comes along...they'll pull another stunt and say 3/3 is no longer viable people have to do 3/2 rota's and we'll get shafted again!
So taking ALL of the above into account, i'm disgusted to hear that people thing we should spend MORE OF OUR LIVES AT WORK, put ourselves at MORE RISK, miss more of our lives due to work....I'm sorry BUT IT'S EASY FOR YOU TO SAY!!!
People honestly just see the 3weeks off and get bitter and assume we have a perfect life, well im sorry to say THAT ISN'T THE CASE!
/RANT
Worked with wingeing gits like you offshore for over 25 years and your whining gets right on my wick.
Get a job at home if it's that bad.
Dean-k68wf said:
After reading most, but not all, of the posts on this thread I just have to reply as some of the commentson here actually BOIL MY P***!!!
As an offshore worker, on 2/3 rota, I am disgusted at some of the attitudes and drivel that has been posted on here.
On a 2/3 Rota we work the SAME AMOUNT OF HOURS as folk doing a 37.5hour week...not only that any time off we have after our shift has to be spent on an oil rig with little freedom. This actually equates to us spending 2/5ths of our lives AT OUR WORKPLACE. 24hours a say for 2weeks at work....still at risk due to ongoing DANGEROUS processes, still on call for some, still have to attend to any emergencies in our time off.
Compared to the avg. Joe that does 37.5 hour week which equates to 1/5th of his life spent at his workplace, thats right HALF OF THE AMOUNT OF TIME.
Forcing offshore workers to go equal time is immoral and disgusting. I know there are people that do equal time already, but I completely disapprove of it, it's not right (some actually get 4weeks holiday btw so only work 1 week more than 2/3rota!!!!)....for those that do equal time it was likely YOUR OWN CHOICE, you applied for the job...alot of the time you aren't forced to work either, you chose to take the job rather than take the time off (not everyone though)...I decided to go offshore because it offered more time off than I was at work, JUST LIKE YOUR OFFICE JOBS, now i'm being told that will be taken away from me...
....
/RANT
Some points.As an offshore worker, on 2/3 rota, I am disgusted at some of the attitudes and drivel that has been posted on here.
On a 2/3 Rota we work the SAME AMOUNT OF HOURS as folk doing a 37.5hour week...not only that any time off we have after our shift has to be spent on an oil rig with little freedom. This actually equates to us spending 2/5ths of our lives AT OUR WORKPLACE. 24hours a say for 2weeks at work....still at risk due to ongoing DANGEROUS processes, still on call for some, still have to attend to any emergencies in our time off.
Compared to the avg. Joe that does 37.5 hour week which equates to 1/5th of his life spent at his workplace, thats right HALF OF THE AMOUNT OF TIME.
Forcing offshore workers to go equal time is immoral and disgusting. I know there are people that do equal time already, but I completely disapprove of it, it's not right (some actually get 4weeks holiday btw so only work 1 week more than 2/3rota!!!!)....for those that do equal time it was likely YOUR OWN CHOICE, you applied for the job...alot of the time you aren't forced to work either, you chose to take the job rather than take the time off (not everyone though)...I decided to go offshore because it offered more time off than I was at work, JUST LIKE YOUR OFFICE JOBS, now i'm being told that will be taken away from me...
....
/RANT
First; quite a few people saying they are ok with 3/3 are offshore workers, so it's not a them/ us argument.
Second; work onshore if things are so bad?
Third; you're comparing onshore jobs with offshore jobs, however a lot of them are not comparable. Depending on the jobs onshore they will have taken a university degree with lots of debt to get that job. A lot of offshore jobs don't involve that (not meaning one is better, but there is a difference between being paid and paying for your qualifications. And how much is the salary difference with a comparable onshore work (for example canteen staff/ cleaners etc)?
You're complaining about time to get to Aberdeen. Well, if you were an onshore worker you would have to work there. You only choose to live somewhere else because you have the flexibility with shift work.
In regards to the family life/ dangerous working environment/ boredom offshore then yes I agree. But if those are so important to you then move to an onshore job?
You're also forgetting you're a small part of the picture in regards to oil company profits. When looking at the profitability of the North Sea then the profits are not very high for the amount of risk taken. A lot of those profits are being made elsewhere. Not to mention you're actually wrong. I know for a fact that Statoil (who I work for) is making a loss for a few years at the moment when all costs are taken into consideration. Onshore there has been 2000 jobs cut and is another 2000 more to go. In a company with 23 000 employees at the time. Or around 17% of the company. If you think your normal life offshore can be protected when it's affecting so many others then good luck to you. As has been said a few times before, go onshore if it's so good?
Mike22233 said:
...typical angry offshore worker victim mentality. You really think all the office jobs are 37.5hrs on the nose?!
There is certainly a whinging element to a lot of the offshore workforce. 'Victim mentality' is a good phrase. I worked 4wks on/2 wks off in Nigeria and never heard anyone, not even the 6wk/2wk'rs b
h and fking moan like the NS offshore guys. Offshore is one of the safest heavy indistrial environments too!3/3 is easily doable. Yes, others have it easier, but we all sell our services to the highest bidder, so vote with your feet!
jshell said:
Mike22233 said:
...typical angry offshore worker victim mentality. You really think all the office jobs are 37.5hrs on the nose?!
There is certainly a whinging element to a lot of the offshore workforce. 'Victim mentality' is a good phrase. I worked 4wks on/2 wks off in Nigeria and never heard anyone, not even the 6wk/2wk'rs bh and fking moan like the NS offshore guys. Offshore is one of the safest heavy indistrial environments too!3/3 is easily doable. Yes, others have it easier, but we all sell our services to the highest bidder, so vote with your feet!
I think the point is being missed here..
We all work what we agreed to work. onshore and off. some of us, myself included did equal time for many years.
then in a bid to stop people jumping ship, my particular company said hows about 2&3 but no pay rise or holidays.. A no brainer in my opinion so we went 2&3. everyone was happy. Our construction crews got offered the same but declined.. they wanted the pay rise and holidays.
Now were in the position where the companies are saying.. "sorry boys, your going equal time again. but on the same conditions so no pay rises or holidays."
any workforce would be ranting and raving if the employers added the equivalent of 5 working weeks onto them with no increase in pay or conditions. Put your self in that position. imagine your boss saying here's a load of extra work to do for the same as you currently get.
so the question is are we going do anything about it? probably not... I have bills to pay and a family to support. if they want me to work equal time I will. will I be happy about it, absolutely not. So assuming I make it through the lay offs I'll continue to work offshore. If I don't I'm going to have to work a whole lot harder onshore for the same standard of life I currently enjoy. That's just part of life in oil and gas.
dohnuts said:
I think the point is being missed here..
We all work what we agreed to work. onshore and off. some of us, myself included did equal time for many years.
then in a bid to stop people jumping ship, my particular company said hows about 2&3 but no pay rise or holidays.. A no brainer in my opinion so we went 2&3. everyone was happy. Our construction crews got offered the same but declined.. they wanted the pay rise and holidays.
Now were in the position where the companies are saying.. "sorry boys, your going equal time again. but on the same conditions so no pay rises or holidays."
any workforce would be ranting and raving if the employers added the equivalent of 5 working weeks onto them with no increase in pay or conditions. Put your self in that position. imagine your boss saying here's a load of extra work to do for the same as you currently get.
so the question is are we going do anything about it? probably not... I have bills to pay and a family to support. if they want me to work equal time I will. will I be happy about it, absolutely not. So assuming I make it through the lay offs I'll continue to work offshore. If I don't I'm going to have to work a whole lot harder onshore for the same standard of life I currently enjoy. That's just part of life in oil and gas.
However the offer is effectively "we don't have any money so if you want a job you need to work harder for the same thing, otherwise the company goes bust". With the current situation it's just good to have a job. I could complain a lot about missing some of the perks offered a few years ago, but when so many people are in trouble it's just something you have to take as parts of the ups and downs. We all work what we agreed to work. onshore and off. some of us, myself included did equal time for many years.
then in a bid to stop people jumping ship, my particular company said hows about 2&3 but no pay rise or holidays.. A no brainer in my opinion so we went 2&3. everyone was happy. Our construction crews got offered the same but declined.. they wanted the pay rise and holidays.
Now were in the position where the companies are saying.. "sorry boys, your going equal time again. but on the same conditions so no pay rises or holidays."
any workforce would be ranting and raving if the employers added the equivalent of 5 working weeks onto them with no increase in pay or conditions. Put your self in that position. imagine your boss saying here's a load of extra work to do for the same as you currently get.
so the question is are we going do anything about it? probably not... I have bills to pay and a family to support. if they want me to work equal time I will. will I be happy about it, absolutely not. So assuming I make it through the lay offs I'll continue to work offshore. If I don't I'm going to have to work a whole lot harder onshore for the same standard of life I currently enjoy. That's just part of life in oil and gas.
As I said my company Statoil will be making a loss for the next few years and so have had to cut a lot of drilling rigs. The guys working there are basically screwed with nothing. However if the workers took a cut to wages/ conditions then the rig costs become cheaper and they may get a job rather than nothing. Keeping rigs becomes even more difficult with some licences because perhaps the operator is willing to keep drilling but the partners won't approve so it still doesn't matter if one company is willing to spend. The statistics show costs have increased by around 300% compared to around 10 years ago for a lot of the offshore stuff with less meters drilled per day etc. Part is due to extra HSE, but part is just people having been able to milk the high oil prices. Now with low prices it's not sustainable and so people have to be flexible and adapt.
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