Police Scotland to issue formal warnings to speeders
Discussion
According to the press, Police Scotland have been given the power (on a 6 month trial basis from this Autumn) to issue formal warnings to those exceeding the speed limit by a marginal amount.
It is not entirely clear, but the suggestion seems to be that, rather than being about letting speeders off with a warning when they would otherwise have been given points and a fine, the move is about pulling drivers who are only fractionally over the limit and giving them a formal (i.e. recorded) warning. Or as the Sun would have it "One MPH over the speed limit and you're done"
Just flagging it for general awareness.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/po...
http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/6...
It is not entirely clear, but the suggestion seems to be that, rather than being about letting speeders off with a warning when they would otherwise have been given points and a fine, the move is about pulling drivers who are only fractionally over the limit and giving them a formal (i.e. recorded) warning. Or as the Sun would have it "One MPH over the speed limit and you're done"
Just flagging it for general awareness.
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/po...
http://www.thescottishsun.co.uk/scotsol/homepage/6...
And in six months we will hear how successful they have been catching xxxx driver at 1mph over limit probably on straight downhill stretches
Meanwhile the bampot on a scramble bike riding round Bishopbriggs last night about midnight will continue to get away with it Probably stolen uninsured untaxed and no licence
However this guys desrves everything coming to him
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-o...
Meanwhile the bampot on a scramble bike riding round Bishopbriggs last night about midnight will continue to get away with it Probably stolen uninsured untaxed and no licence
However this guys desrves everything coming to him
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-north-east-o...
Edited by S2red on Monday 6th July 15:21
Oh dear, do they really think this will improve safety?
As things stand it is just about possible to drive about without spending more time looking at the speedo than the road. But it is impossible to modulate driving speed within +/- 1mph purely by looking at the road (as per this thread: http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
This could actually have the reverse effect and continue the recent downward trend on road safety:
The news headlines regarding 2013 road safety "The number of people killed and injured on Scotland's roads fell by 10% last year":
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-29721072
The news headlines regarding 2014 road safety "Road deaths up by 16% in Scotland":
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-33164471
As things stand it is just about possible to drive about without spending more time looking at the speedo than the road. But it is impossible to modulate driving speed within +/- 1mph purely by looking at the road (as per this thread: http://www.pistonheads.com/gassing/topic.asp?h=0&a...
This could actually have the reverse effect and continue the recent downward trend on road safety:
The news headlines regarding 2013 road safety "The number of people killed and injured on Scotland's roads fell by 10% last year":
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-29721072
The news headlines regarding 2014 road safety "Road deaths up by 16% in Scotland":
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-33164471
The continued condemnation of drivers who speed as a measure of "road Safety' is as misguided as it always has been. This smacks of an attempt to bring marginal speeders into the prosecution level to increase fines and conviction rates. So next year, we will have 33mph as the de facto prosecution limit.in 30 and 75 on motorways.
This all smacks of lazy policing and getting numbers up the easy way, whilst chanting the mantra of speed is bad!
The law is there. Speed limits are unarguable in the face of legislative change. If we want these changed we should lobby our MP's etc. They won't as it is a vote looser to the sanctimonious incompetents who believe the only measure of safe driving is how slow they drive.
If the police want to maintain credibility then they must deal as severely with bad driving; e.g.; middle lane hoggers; bad parking; lack of consideration etc. Soft easy targets such as someone driving at 33mph in a 30 is great for their superiors. Any easy policing makes those who are here to protect us lazy and avoid doing what the public should expect, namely proper active policing to entice safety.
That, simply does not happen just now.
If we continue to 'dumb down' to the level of the sanctimonious incompetents then all we will do is have morons on the road and we may as well have dodgems for cars.
This all smacks of lazy policing and getting numbers up the easy way, whilst chanting the mantra of speed is bad!
The law is there. Speed limits are unarguable in the face of legislative change. If we want these changed we should lobby our MP's etc. They won't as it is a vote looser to the sanctimonious incompetents who believe the only measure of safe driving is how slow they drive.
If the police want to maintain credibility then they must deal as severely with bad driving; e.g.; middle lane hoggers; bad parking; lack of consideration etc. Soft easy targets such as someone driving at 33mph in a 30 is great for their superiors. Any easy policing makes those who are here to protect us lazy and avoid doing what the public should expect, namely proper active policing to entice safety.
That, simply does not happen just now.
If we continue to 'dumb down' to the level of the sanctimonious incompetents then all we will do is have morons on the road and we may as well have dodgems for cars.
paulqv said:
The continued condemnation of drivers who speed as a measure of "road Safety' is as misguided as it always has been. This smacks of an attempt to bring marginal speeders into the prosecution level to increase fines and conviction rates. So next year, we will have 33mph as the de facto prosecution limit.in 30 and 75 on motorways.
This all smacks of lazy policing and getting numbers up the easy way, whilst chanting the mantra of speed is bad!
The law is there. Speed limits are unarguable in the face of legislative change. If we want these changed we should lobby our MP's etc. They won't as it is a vote looser to the sanctimonious incompetents who believe the only measure of safe driving is how slow they drive.
If the police want to maintain credibility then they must deal as severely with bad driving; e.g.; middle lane hoggers; bad parking; lack of consideration etc. Soft easy targets such as someone driving at 33mph in a 30 is great for their superiors. Any easy policing makes those who are here to protect us lazy and avoid doing what the public should expect, namely proper active policing to entice safety.
That, simply does not happen just now.
If we continue to 'dumb down' to the level of the sanctimonious incompetents then all we will do is have morons on the road and we may as well have dodgems for cars.
Well stated, that man.This all smacks of lazy policing and getting numbers up the easy way, whilst chanting the mantra of speed is bad!
The law is there. Speed limits are unarguable in the face of legislative change. If we want these changed we should lobby our MP's etc. They won't as it is a vote looser to the sanctimonious incompetents who believe the only measure of safe driving is how slow they drive.
If the police want to maintain credibility then they must deal as severely with bad driving; e.g.; middle lane hoggers; bad parking; lack of consideration etc. Soft easy targets such as someone driving at 33mph in a 30 is great for their superiors. Any easy policing makes those who are here to protect us lazy and avoid doing what the public should expect, namely proper active policing to entice safety.
That, simply does not happen just now.
If we continue to 'dumb down' to the level of the sanctimonious incompetents then all we will do is have morons on the road and we may as well have dodgems for cars.
Especially as he knows what he's talking about
(Poetic licence!)All we seem go hear about these days is speed but the general standard of driving in the UK at present is shocking and in my opinion it is this that should be targeted rather than minor speed offences. Speed, however, is easy to target as it just takes one man in a van, or fixed unmanned cameras, to rake in the cash. A change of job means that I dont drive anywhere near as much as I used to but in the last few days i have experienced.......
Middle / outside lane hoggers at below speed limit giving rise to others undertaking;
pulling from outside lane of motorway across traffic to slip road at last possible second;
pulling from inside lane of dual carriageway across traffic to central reservation junction at the last possible second;
an "I'm going to die" thought as a white transit van tried to overtake me and the van in front as we approached a blind bend (long after i had decided it wasnt safe to overtake) and just as oncoming traffic appeared, resulting in him trying to push me off the road to get back in;
Generally just driving without any regard for other traffic, chopping and changing lane willy nilly by just pulling in and out and making everyone else brake using the "manoevre, mirror (what's that hooting noise), signal (middle finger)" mantra;
people driving at 35 - 40 on busy NSL roads with huge queues of traffic building up behind them and ignoring the "allow overtaking" / "use laybys..." signs giving rise to risky overtakers;
The list goes on
We need more physical presence on the road educating these numpties, not issuing warnings to those 1 or 2 mph above the limit on an empty road
Middle / outside lane hoggers at below speed limit giving rise to others undertaking;
pulling from outside lane of motorway across traffic to slip road at last possible second;
pulling from inside lane of dual carriageway across traffic to central reservation junction at the last possible second;
an "I'm going to die" thought as a white transit van tried to overtake me and the van in front as we approached a blind bend (long after i had decided it wasnt safe to overtake) and just as oncoming traffic appeared, resulting in him trying to push me off the road to get back in;
Generally just driving without any regard for other traffic, chopping and changing lane willy nilly by just pulling in and out and making everyone else brake using the "manoevre, mirror (what's that hooting noise), signal (middle finger)" mantra;
people driving at 35 - 40 on busy NSL roads with huge queues of traffic building up behind them and ignoring the "allow overtaking" / "use laybys..." signs giving rise to risky overtakers;
The list goes on
We need more physical presence on the road educating these numpties, not issuing warnings to those 1 or 2 mph above the limit on an empty road
paulqv said:
The continued condemnation of drivers who speed as a measure of "road Safety' is as misguided as it always has been. This smacks of an attempt to bring marginal speeders into the prosecution level to increase fines and conviction rates. So next year, we will have 33mph as the de facto prosecution limit.in 30 and 75 on motorways.
This all smacks of lazy policing and getting numbers up the easy way, whilst chanting the mantra of speed is bad!
The law is there. Speed limits are unarguable in the face of legislative change. If we want these changed we should lobby our MP's etc. They won't as it is a vote looser to the sanctimonious incompetents who believe the only measure of safe driving is how slow they drive.
If the police want to maintain credibility then they must deal as severely with bad driving; e.g.; middle lane hoggers; bad parking; lack of consideration etc. Soft easy targets such as someone driving at 33mph in a 30 is great for their superiors. Any easy policing makes those who are here to protect us lazy and avoid doing what the public should expect, namely proper active policing to entice safety.
That, simply does not happen just now.
If we continue to 'dumb down' to the level of the sanctimonious incompetents then all we will do is have morons on the road and we may as well have dodgems for cars.
Agree +1This all smacks of lazy policing and getting numbers up the easy way, whilst chanting the mantra of speed is bad!
The law is there. Speed limits are unarguable in the face of legislative change. If we want these changed we should lobby our MP's etc. They won't as it is a vote looser to the sanctimonious incompetents who believe the only measure of safe driving is how slow they drive.
If the police want to maintain credibility then they must deal as severely with bad driving; e.g.; middle lane hoggers; bad parking; lack of consideration etc. Soft easy targets such as someone driving at 33mph in a 30 is great for their superiors. Any easy policing makes those who are here to protect us lazy and avoid doing what the public should expect, namely proper active policing to entice safety.
That, simply does not happen just now.
If we continue to 'dumb down' to the level of the sanctimonious incompetents then all we will do is have morons on the road and we may as well have dodgems for cars.
TreVoR 3000 said:
All we seem go hear about these days is speed but the general standard of driving in the UK at present is shocking and in my opinion it is this that should be targeted rather than minor speed offences. Speed, however, is easy to target as it just takes one man in a van, or fixed unmanned cameras, to rake in the cash. A change of job means that I dont drive anywhere near as much as I used to but in the last few days i have experienced.......
Middle / outside lane hoggers at below speed limit giving rise to others undertaking;
pulling from outside lane of motorway across traffic to slip road at last possible second;
pulling from inside lane of dual carriageway across traffic to central reservation junction at the last possible second;
an "I'm going to die" thought as a white transit van tried to overtake me and the van in front as we approached a blind bend (long after i had decided it wasnt safe to overtake) and just as oncoming traffic appeared, resulting in him trying to push me off the road to get back in;
Generally just driving without any regard for other traffic, chopping and changing lane willy nilly by just pulling in and out and making everyone else brake using the "manoevre, mirror (what's that hooting noise), signal (middle finger)" mantra;
people driving at 35 - 40 on busy NSL roads with huge queues of traffic building up behind them and ignoring the "allow overtaking" / "use laybys..." signs giving rise to risky overtakers;
The list goes on
We need more physical presence on the road educating these numpties, not issuing warnings to those 1 or 2 mph above the limit on an empty road
Yes but they'll always just go for the soft target.Middle / outside lane hoggers at below speed limit giving rise to others undertaking;
pulling from outside lane of motorway across traffic to slip road at last possible second;
pulling from inside lane of dual carriageway across traffic to central reservation junction at the last possible second;
an "I'm going to die" thought as a white transit van tried to overtake me and the van in front as we approached a blind bend (long after i had decided it wasnt safe to overtake) and just as oncoming traffic appeared, resulting in him trying to push me off the road to get back in;
Generally just driving without any regard for other traffic, chopping and changing lane willy nilly by just pulling in and out and making everyone else brake using the "manoevre, mirror (what's that hooting noise), signal (middle finger)" mantra;
people driving at 35 - 40 on busy NSL roads with huge queues of traffic building up behind them and ignoring the "allow overtaking" / "use laybys..." signs giving rise to risky overtakers;
The list goes on
We need more physical presence on the road educating these numpties, not issuing warnings to those 1 or 2 mph above the limit on an empty road
I am really beginning to hate Scotland for the stupid officialdom that seems to pervade it. Pensioners running around Oban informing the warden of bad parking, the lower drink drive limit that is killing off the rural pub where people call in for "one", yet fails to catch the idiot who downs half a bottle of Vodka or 10 pints who would be over ANY limit.
And don't get me started on young (and not so young) girls and blokes in works vans using a mobile phone on the move.
What about last week where they were not interested din chasing kids on stolen motorbikes
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/ga...
http://www.dailyrecord.co.uk/news/scottish-news/ga...
Craigie said:
They weren't speedingErgo no need to respond
I think I will start a thread of Offences reported to the police and not followed up. Then when stopped by the police for doing 32mph with a warning and the politicians want to change the prosecution policy there may be something to argue about police time.
I had my newest classic car vandalised in Lanark and attempted break in last Friday. So far, one phone call to get some info and a crime reference number. No chase up on the attempted break in which damaged a door.
I had my newest classic car vandalised in Lanark and attempted break in last Friday. So far, one phone call to get some info and a crime reference number. No chase up on the attempted break in which damaged a door.
It's a prelude to reducing the 10%+2 that you currently get points at.
The current Scottish government is very good at consultancy/trialing things that it wants to do, manipulating the data and/or structuring the trial in a way to get the given result and then bang we get the changes that they want with no real public engagement. I am sure that the NSL will be cut to 50 as well in due course.
Road deaths can be cut via better road design and teenage education on the matter but these cost more to implement.
The current Scottish government is very good at consultancy/trialing things that it wants to do, manipulating the data and/or structuring the trial in a way to get the given result and then bang we get the changes that they want with no real public engagement. I am sure that the NSL will be cut to 50 as well in due course.
Road deaths can be cut via better road design and teenage education on the matter but these cost more to implement.
Craigie said:
That is absolutely scandalous, I doubt however it would have even been passed to the police by the control room. Too many times the civilian operators decide what to tell the police about rather than pass the calls out and allow the cops to decide on what is a priority and what isn't.As for this speeding rubbish, another crazy idea coming from that waste of space Scottish Parliament we have. I was chastised at the weekend by a traffic cop, for apparently speeding by driving behind him going up to a junction to turn right. Didn't even have the courtesy to pull me over, just wound the window down as he was along side and shouted through my window. Didn't take my name, run any checks, just a bit of attitude as his mate was filling out his clipboard, probably along the lines of one driver warned re manner of driving!
Vipers said:
I am all for sticking to the limits, but this is a pi$$ take.
There will be so many cars being pulled, our roads will be gridlocked from Lands End to John O'Groats
There is one small flaw in your plan Vipers There will be so many cars being pulled, our roads will be gridlocked from Lands End to John O'Groats
Still, this is effiing ludicrous, the sooner that House is out of the way the better, how the fek do they get into these jobs?
Edited by 750turbo on Monday 13th July 13:11
750turbo said:
Vipers said:
I am all for sticking to the limits, but this is a pi$$ take.
There will be so many cars being pulled, our roads will be gridlocked from Lands End to John O'Groats
There is one small flaw in your plan Vipers There will be so many cars being pulled, our roads will be gridlocked from Lands End to John O'Groats
Still, this is efficping ludicrous, the sooner that House is out of the way the better, how the few do they get into these jobs?
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