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mrzigazaga
Original Poster
6,357 posts
34 months
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Hi peeps...Went to torque developments this morning for an engine health check and initially a tune up...First thing was noticed that the plugs had white burn marks on them and then when they put the endoscope in there it was NOT a pretty sight..All the pistons are damaged/pitted heavily, There are pieces missing off the head and the valves are damaged/pitted..They then did a wet compression test and it was as follows.. 1.14% 2.12% 3.68% 4.65% 5.63% 6.72% And there was oil in there so its probably worst...This has all happened recently as when i had the head gasket replaced it was all good..It was probably the faulty WUR.. They quoted me for a total rebuild, Rebored to a 2.9 with forged pistons..High lift cam..stronger rods..Steel cam gear..Big valves/ported/polished...3K labour + parts..Probably around 5K...  Then to top it all i had a massive row with a wannabe gangster cock in a white range rover on the way home, he shouted "get a real car not a f  king TVR"..And then called me a w  ker..I called him a few names back and told him to pull over, Mouthy f  k..I pulled over, Flipped up the boot..Took out a hammer and invited him over but he drove straight on..The f  king pussy..he was lucky cos the stinking mood i was in i would of probably been done for attempted murder!!.. When i got back a white van pulls up...Delivery..Supercharger...What a f  king kick in the balls... There will be no BNG or other meets for me until probably next year sometime...So delilah will sit outside until my inheritance comes through or i take a match to her finally....A very pissed off Ziga..
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Convert
2,855 posts
87 months
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al 350i
894 posts
64 months
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sorry to hear the bad news zig, can you not throw a second unit in while you consider options or rebuild your old one?
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Jonny weggie
1,418 posts
60 months
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CHILL big yin, i know it's a bummer that all this is happening it could have been worse if you had'nt check the engine and fitted the supercharger in excitment then you would be kicking your own neds, would it not be cheaper to find a 280i engine somewhere [check it out] then get it fitted. There is'nt an easy answer to your problems. Fingers crossed.
jonny.
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NTEL
4,389 posts
109 months
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Zig, I am really sorry to read about your engine woes. You have done so much with that car, it's such a shame. Can I suggest you speak with the guy who looked after my Cologne 2.9 12v V6 race engine? He is an expert (yes, he really is) with Ford V6's, his name is John Toovey and is based in Cannock. He will discuss your options and offer prices accordingly. His prices will be no where near what you have been quoted. The biggest bill I've had off him was less than half you have been quoted and that included 6 forged pistons, big valve conversion, decked heads and block, scary cam and all new bearings as well as a host of other stuff. That engine ran 250bhp at 7500rpm! It's well worth a chat with him before you make your mind up. He may even have a built engine just sat on the shelf.
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simboy1973
450 posts
46 months
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Mr Zig, put the hammer back in the boot and count to 50 There, ahhhhhhh..
I'm sure you'll come across a replacement standard engine and not at the price of a mid sized family saloon.. Go onto a few Capri forums and Granada ones, surely someone would have an engine going spare.. You gotta try.. Infact at that price, you could buy a good 2.8 Capri or old XR4x4, take the engine and sell the bits, see those Capri bits second hand go for small fortunes. splitting a Capri could end up giving you a free engine. Worth a thought, I would.
She ain't dead yet, just in need of a wee nurturing..
Fingers crossed for ya
Si
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Aeroflop
81 posts
28 months
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Hi Zig.
Sorry to hear this. It's a little downer for your upcoming blowjob, BUT on the other hand it gives you a good start.
1) Find a replacement engine which is in good condition. 2) Take the new engine apart, check it completely, change all bearings, piston rings etc. Give the cylinder heads to an expert, who will check them completely, check the valves and if possible, tune up the chambers for better breathing. Talk with engine guys who knows where to get optimal pistons etc for the supercharging. 3) Supercharge the newly built engine. When the job is done properly, you don't need to worry if it'll hold up and you'll get good power out of it.
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mrzigazaga
Original Poster
6,357 posts
34 months
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Hi Chaps..Thanks for the support..I will be looking at all the options that have been put forward..i did call the ford garage to see if he has any blocks/heads laying about and he said he cant believe that that much damage has happened..When i told him of the price for the rebuild he said if the labour is that much then you are probably looking at a 10K spec engine..he mentioned that the car clinic in derby who he uses all the time can supply and fit a 3.6ltr V6 with optional heads and valves for around 3.5K..I can get a race prepared Ford 302 smallblock crate engine from the states for 4K..Even the guy that i went to see before locally quoted me 2K plus fitting for a rebored tuned V6..The strange thing is she is still pulling like a train, There is no smoke whatsoever coming out of the exhausts...I might take her to the ford garage next week to have the heads off and have a proper look.. Here are the heads a little while ago..Approx 3 months ago.. Thanks dave, I will definitely have a chat with john toovey..Do you have any contact details please or do i google him..Cheers to everyone...a calmer Ziga. Heads previously:  [url]  |http://thumbsnap.com/iBSC31Za[/url
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NTEL
4,389 posts
109 months
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mrzigazaga said: Thanks dave, I will definitely have a chat with john toovey..Do you have any contact details please or do i google him..Cheers to everyone...a calmer Ziga. J. Toovey Road and Race. Unit 8. Wynns Venture Centre. Broad Street. Cannock. Staffordshire. WS11 0XL. Telephone: 01543 505 565 Fax: 01543 505 565 John can be hard work on the phone (as engine builders normally are) but mention Dave Chant and how my old engine was epic and I'm sure you'll be fine with him  The way it works is, you send or take the engine to him, he builds it to your requirements, puts it on the engine dyno, sets it up, runs it in, you pay him, he sends it back to you, you reinstall it, switch it on and drive it like you stole it.
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JMF894
1,466 posts
24 months
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Zigster stop making pretend 'Essex Boys' poop their pants you little gangster you! Things always seem terrible initially but after a day or two of researching i guarantee things won't be so bad. A ball ache for sure but not insurmountable. This may be a blessing in disguise as you now know that when you fit the blower the donkey will be up to it......... Jimbo 
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Mr Tank
4,780 posts
144 months
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JMF894 said: Zigster stop making pretend 'Essex Boys' poop their pants you little gangster you! Things always seem terrible initially but after a day or two of researching i guarantee things won't be so bad. A ball ache for sure but not insurmountable. This may be a blessing in disguise as you now know that when you fit the blower the donkey will be up to it......... Jimbo  Mark I agree with Jimbo. Calm down. A replacment or rebuilt lump is not a problem for you, there are a few about! You have done the correct thing by getting the engine checked before fitting the kit! Now you will know what you are supercharging when you get your engine fixed or replaced! It will all come out in the wash!  Andy
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darylglynn
38 posts
32 months
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Crikey Mark , I know you gave up the cigs and all that , but reaching into the boot and getting the hammer out?? In SE London?
I say go with what the guys are saying here , ebaying/googling will get cheaper used or a crate lump to which you can fit the blower onto and in the meantime run around in what you have ( well whats the worst that can happen )
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mrzigazaga
Original Poster
6,357 posts
34 months
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Hi peeps...Someone emailed me a link for a capri 2.8i for sale with just over 60000 miles on the clock, The body is a bit tatty but i dont need that and after chatting to the ford garage again he said if i get both cars to him then he will break the capri and give me 500 smackers for it or fit the engine into mine and put all the shiny bits from mine onto it and store my old engine for rebuilding later..mmmm...This is a real good option..That way i can send the old lump off to be built by Mr toovey at some point and probably fit the supercharger to the low mileage engine for now..  ..OK.. "Doctor what is the prognosis".."We still have a pulse".."She might just make it".."Delilah darling..hold on..Do not fear, I wont leave you"...."Hurry doctor..She's fading"..Beep...beep..beep....  .."CLEAR".....  ..."CLEAR".."Delilah...Are you there"..(Weak car voice).."Ziga..Ya bastid".."I love you"...The End.  Maybe its not so bad then...Im going to open the box up and have a look at the supercharger... 
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Lean Machine
817 posts
34 months
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Really sorry to hear the bad news Zig. Why does bad things always happen to good people? I am sure you will find a solution once you've thought it through carefully. Things always seem worse initially. We need you at the BNG so try and get this sorted. All the best mate.
Tony. TCB.
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mrzigazaga
Original Poster
6,357 posts
34 months
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darylglynn said: Crikey Mark , I know you gave up the cigs and all that , but reaching into the boot and getting the hammer out?? In SE London? I know it was a bit mad but then he was a big lump covered in tattoos..And this is south london..Blah blah blah..Knee cap hill an all that...what i should of said was.."You avin a bubble mate..You think yourself a bit of a bicardi breezer..look a bit dolly to me..You open your north and south one more time then your asking for barney rubble.. 
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Jack Valiant
931 posts
105 months
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Hi Mark Deep breathing fella! and echo what has already been said. The car was pulling well when you were following me up the Kent Hill with no smoke etc. Time to look at options in the clear light of another day especially as you are going the blower route.  All the best Chris
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RichChef
77 posts
34 months
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Damn, thats not what you want to hear when you've got a Supercharger on the way  The break and replace option looks like a quick win, particularly if the Capri is cheap.
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taz turbo
487 posts
119 months
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mrzigazaga said: Hi peeps...Went to torque developments this morning for an engine health check and initially a tune up...First thing was noticed that the plugs had white burn marks on them and then when they put the endoscope in there it was NOT a pretty sight..All the pistons are damaged/pitted heavily, There are pieces missing off the head and the valves are damaged/pitted..They then did a wet compression test and it was as follows.. 1.14% 2.12% 3.68% 4.65% 5.63% 6.72% And there was oil in there so its probably worst...This has all happened recently as when i had the head gasket replaced it was all good..It was probably the faulty WUR.. They quoted me for a total rebuild, Rebored to a 2.9 with forged pistons..High lift cam..stronger rods..Steel cam gear..Big valves/ported/polished...3K labour + parts..Probably around 5K...  Mark, A few things a little strange, I'm not saying the engine isn't past it's best, (bore scope shouldn't lie) but.... The plugs were removed and inspected first, but they didn't do a 'proper' compression test, but took the easy option of a relative test looking for RPM drop when killing off one cylinder and a calculation to what the compression might be? Then a compression of '12% - 14%' if that was a true percentage of what it should be, I would be surprised if it would even idle on those cylinders! How does the engine idle, smooth or regular lumpyness and what typical RPM? The faulty WUR, giving rich fueling would lead to bore wash and wear, not lumps of piston/head missing (has it, infact been pinking/detonating?). It's not normal to overbore the 2.8 to 2.9, the normal practice is to increase bore from 93 to 94mm this equates to 2850cc, and at 94mm you get a greater product choice. I'm probably being a little critical but guess this is what they were suggesting. You can buy off the shelf 94mm 8.5:1 CR forged pistons for ~£130 ea. They weren't available when I rebuilt mine, so I went for a bespoke set of pistons at ~£200 ea (with a 16 week delivery!) Cam, we've discussed before, but DONT just throw a cam in as it's high lift, you NEED to either stick with an OE cam OR a bespoke grind, the 'hotter' cams have more overlap, great for NA engines but if its FI it will just be blowing air/fuel down the exhaust, so you will be severely limited what boost you can generate. Stronger rods, what RPM are you going to rev this thing to (superchargers power lower down) 6K RPM with a standard rod or 6.2K with upgraded big end bolts, obviously shot peening is a good security measure and not so pricy. Steel cam gear, yes a wise investment, alloy ones are also available and tend to be a little quieter (does that mater on your car  ) Head....... There's a minefield! But yes 1K upwards for a pair of big valve IN/EX and hard EX seats, but be warned, the 2.8 heads are fairly thin castings, so fitting big valves and hardened seats can be a brave mans game, but if you do go the increased valve size route, do use someone who has done this to 2.8 heads in the past. I thought the 2K parts seems VERY cheap, and the 3K labour expensive (maybe as a tight arse that bdoes my own work I'm out of touch) From memory my engine cost just over 5K to rebuild in 2004, but, I don't regret it and the results are good, it's been on three sets of rollers in my ownership and each time received very positive comments, last time at BBWF this year. A second hand engine is an option, but if you want any decent power from the SC installation I think you should look a a decent set of forged pistons, doubt you will find them in a second hand engine. Sorry if I sound negative, just don't want you spending money, then chasing your next set of issues. Good luck, you have my mail address. Chris.
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mrzigazaga
Original Poster
6,357 posts
34 months
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Thanks for that chris..The car starts up ok...well sounds like it starts on 3-4 cylinders but then its always done that...It idles at 900-1000rpm...There is no smoke whatsoever coming out or has ever come out the exhaust..Since i have changed the WUR the car feels like its pulling a lot better..Before the news today i was pushing it up to 70mph in 2nd with no problems and keeping up with chris in his big valve V8...It doesnt overheat...And yes there was a little bit of "Pinking" about a week ago, It happend when i put my foot down in top gear but i laid off the pedal and it stopped..I retarded the timing to around 8-8.5 and it went away...Im not burning or losing oil...Although on the endoscope there was a tiny streak of oil in one of the cylinders...Cylinder 2 i think...Im worried about driving it at all now in case a piston seizes up and i get a rod through the block!!!....Ziga
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marcus1875
400 posts
11 months
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Hi mrzig. Just read about Delilah. Sorry to hear about that. 
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