"TVR 400 SE 1990 Moonraker Black/Magnolia (1990)"
Discussion
Very strange why important information would get pulled???...It obviously hinders the sale and would lower the price considerably which is a shame as it looks a really nice Wedge...Its always a bonus to have some history with any car and especially any major repair work, Not sure if PH thinks that this is slander on the sellers behalf but its better than allowing potential wrecks being sold as solid cars..(Not saying this one is)..I know some say.."Honesty is not the best policy" but in a niche market i think its very important.....Ziga
pwd95 said:
Also, to be fair to all. There was no mention of any damage to the car just a matter of being stolen/recovered & going back to the factory to have it's original identity restored. So it's basically an original car with an interesting history.
Still interested here...
Whether a car was damaged or not is irrelevant as far as buying price is concerned. If it wasStill interested here...
stolen/recovered and an insurance pay out occurred then any car is worth significantly less than one that hasn't. I think it is usually worked on about a 1/3 deduction in value.
The car could be in better condition than most but will still be worth less as far as insurance companies are concerned. Some insurance companies won't insure a vehicle if it has already had a total loss against it. The wrong time to find this out is when you need to make a claim on it.
TOPTON said:
Whether a car was damaged or not is irrelevant as far as buying price is concerned. If it was
stolen/recovered and an insurance pay out occurred then any car is worth significantly less than one that hasn't. I think it is usually worked on about a 1/3 deduction in value.
The car could be in better condition than most but will still be worth less as far as insurance companies are concerned. Some insurance companies won't insure a vehicle if it has already had a total loss against it. The wrong time to find this out is when you need to make a claim on it.
I would have thought that the current owner could be in a position to claim for any financial loss against the HPI guarantee, although I guess that will depend upon what was paid for it.stolen/recovered and an insurance pay out occurred then any car is worth significantly less than one that hasn't. I think it is usually worked on about a 1/3 deduction in value.
The car could be in better condition than most but will still be worth less as far as insurance companies are concerned. Some insurance companies won't insure a vehicle if it has already had a total loss against it. The wrong time to find this out is when you need to make a claim on it.
TOPTON said:
pwd95 said:
Also, to be fair to all. There was no mention of any damage to the car just a matter of being stolen/recovered & going back to the factory to have it's original identity restored. So it's basically an original car with an interesting history.
Still interested here...
Whether a car was damaged or not is irrelevant as far as buying price is concerned. If it wasStill interested here...
stolen/recovered and an insurance pay out occurred then any car is worth significantly less than one that hasn't. I think it is usually worked on about a 1/3 deduction in value.
The car could be in better condition than most but will still be worth less as far as insurance companies are concerned. Some insurance companies won't insure a vehicle if it has already had a total loss against it. The wrong time to find this out is when you need to make a claim on it.
I ran a Cat C Griffith 500 for 18 months. Bought cheap, enjoyed it & then sold it cheap.
ElvisWedgely said:
Benbay001 said:
Did the thread get a hair cut? Bit disappointing if it did..
The thread got a haircut without notice, apology or reason, probably because some people didn't like what they are reading. Obviously, freedom of speach is restricted on this forum even though from what I could see people were just stating past facts and events they had experienced in order to save fellow Wedgers grief about a car on sale with a dodgy past. I think, I too, like many others, will switch over to using the official TVR forum soon.Tony. TCB.
Probably rather than simply remove posts, a moderator should be an arbitrator, or mediator and must surely provide an explanation as to why posts have been removed? (This is your chance to have your say Mr Wedge Mod).
There has to be be rules for posting on a public forum, but there is also a fine line that we cross at our peril, if the moderator simply becomes an unaccountable censor
?
In this instance, as either the seller or buyer, I would personally rather know about the car's history.
The OP has responded perfectly...if he did not want response from the PH community he would not have posted?
PH was born in a twinkle of Petrol Ted's eye, essentially established as an on-line car club for TVR enthusiasts, who wanted to socialise, share their experiences and knowledge of their interesting and sometimes challenging TVRs! ;-)
As with most things, the PH concept could be improved on and in some ways it has been...it can also be spoiled, a road none of us PHers wish to drive on?
Anyhow, that was just a thought from me...
There has to be be rules for posting on a public forum, but there is also a fine line that we cross at our peril, if the moderator simply becomes an unaccountable censor
?In this instance, as either the seller or buyer, I would personally rather know about the car's history.
The OP has responded perfectly...if he did not want response from the PH community he would not have posted?
PH was born in a twinkle of Petrol Ted's eye, essentially established as an on-line car club for TVR enthusiasts, who wanted to socialise, share their experiences and knowledge of their interesting and sometimes challenging TVRs! ;-)
As with most things, the PH concept could be improved on and in some ways it has been...it can also be spoiled, a road none of us PHers wish to drive on?
Anyhow, that was just a thought from me...
mcosh said:
Guys, As the current owner of the car I have requested all the posts be reinstated by the moderator. I will request HPI carry out an investigation and have provided previous registrations as the car is currently showing as clean.
Mark
Too right Mark.Mark
Car looks really nice. It's really one of my favourite colour combo's.
However I'm not holding out too much hope.
Phil
420 SEAC
I know of this car! It's the one pictured on page 129 of 'TVR - All the cars' by Iain Ayre.
Brundle's TVR near King's Lynn had it up for sale for £14K round about 2001. It had a roll cage, racing harness, plumbed in fire extinguisher and came with a spare set of alloys with slicks. I walked away as I suspected that it was not 'one careful lady owner'.
It went back to the factory to have a problem sorted out, but that was over ten years ago so ancient history as far as the car's current condition is concerned. Still,it gives an interesting slant on what HPI clear means!
I might be interested in buying it for track days now, if the advert hadn't been pulled...
Brundle's TVR near King's Lynn had it up for sale for £14K round about 2001. It had a roll cage, racing harness, plumbed in fire extinguisher and came with a spare set of alloys with slicks. I walked away as I suspected that it was not 'one careful lady owner'.
It went back to the factory to have a problem sorted out, but that was over ten years ago so ancient history as far as the car's current condition is concerned. Still,it gives an interesting slant on what HPI clear means!
I might be interested in buying it for track days now, if the advert hadn't been pulled...
Wow - I come back from Sharm where the temp. hit 44 degrees and return to find this car is even hotter !
As many of you know I and one or two Bristol TVRCC members buy and sell a few cars each year (typically we put 500-1000 miles on each one that we personally own for a few weeks/months/individually insure) as our mad TVR addict hobby.
As much as is possible, all the history, HPI checks and conversations with owners/previous owners are carried out it obviously doesn't guarantee anything and this car is certainly proof of that.....
I will not be resubmitting the ad until hopefully next week, however, if anyone else has any more info./wishes to contact me about the car then please do so.....
That's just increased the value then, thanks, LOL.
Anyone got a link to the book/article please?
Regards to all,
Paul. pjac67 TVR/Wedge Addict.
As many of you know I and one or two Bristol TVRCC members buy and sell a few cars each year (typically we put 500-1000 miles on each one that we personally own for a few weeks/months/individually insure) as our mad TVR addict hobby.
As much as is possible, all the history, HPI checks and conversations with owners/previous owners are carried out it obviously doesn't guarantee anything and this car is certainly proof of that.....
Wicker Man said:
if the advert hadn't been pulled...
I guess my ad was pulled due to this thread but I didn't remove it and have had no communication from the mods - probably best until 'all' the facts are clarified (at the moment it looks like the car is completely HPI clear BUT should be registered as Stolen/unrecovered from many years ago (with no damage and all matching numbers restored)). I will not be resubmitting the ad until hopefully next week, however, if anyone else has any more info./wishes to contact me about the car then please do so.....
Wicker Man said:
I know of this car! It's the one pictured on page 129 of 'TVR - All the cars' by Iain Ayre.
The car is more famous than we thought! That's just increased the value then, thanks, LOL.
Anyone got a link to the book/article please?
Regards to all,
Paul. pjac67 TVR/Wedge Addict.
UPDATE for anyone who hasn't seen the car on a certain auction site (after all the 'history' I thought I would let market forces determine the value and whoever wishes to own a cracking car....).
HPI have now cross referenced again with DVLA's records and confirmed finally the car is clear (full HPI report and will never be put on the register as any insurance payout relates to a different car/reg. no. and VIN no.).
Furthermore they state there is no relationship with this car and the one that was stolen/unrecovered in the early 90's.
I have no reason to disbelieve the story mentioned by a previous owner but the car can now be sold with the confidence of being and remaining clear of any Categories.
More importantly, any 'history' this car may or may not have had related to 'stolen/unrecovered' with NO DAMAGE whatsover ie the car has never been in an accident or subject to any payout as a result of accident / damage.
Above all else I believe in honesty and telling it how it is and treating people as I would want to be treated.
Regards to all, Paul.
HPI have now cross referenced again with DVLA's records and confirmed finally the car is clear (full HPI report and will never be put on the register as any insurance payout relates to a different car/reg. no. and VIN no.).
Furthermore they state there is no relationship with this car and the one that was stolen/unrecovered in the early 90's.
I have no reason to disbelieve the story mentioned by a previous owner but the car can now be sold with the confidence of being and remaining clear of any Categories.
More importantly, any 'history' this car may or may not have had related to 'stolen/unrecovered' with NO DAMAGE whatsover ie the car has never been in an accident or subject to any payout as a result of accident / damage.
Above all else I believe in honesty and telling it how it is and treating people as I would want to be treated.
Regards to all, Paul.
pjac67 said:
UPDATE for anyone who hasn't seen the car on a certain auction site (after all the 'history' I thought I would let market forces determine the value and whoever wishes to own a cracking car....).
HPI have now cross referenced again with DVLA's records and confirmed finally the car is clear (full HPI report and will never be put on the register as any insurance payout relates to a different car/reg. no. and VIN no.).
Furthermore they state there is no relationship with this car and the one that was stolen/unrecovered in the early 90's.
I have no reason to disbelieve the story mentioned by a previous owner but the car can now be sold with the confidence of being and remaining clear of any Categories.
More importantly, any 'history' this car may or may not have had related to 'stolen/unrecovered' with NO DAMAGE whatsover ie the car has never been in an accident or subject to any payout as a result of accident / damage.
Above all else I believe in honesty and telling it how it is and treating people as I would want to be treated.
Regards to all, Paul.
I am confused by what you've said in your update statement. Either:-HPI have now cross referenced again with DVLA's records and confirmed finally the car is clear (full HPI report and will never be put on the register as any insurance payout relates to a different car/reg. no. and VIN no.).
Furthermore they state there is no relationship with this car and the one that was stolen/unrecovered in the early 90's.
I have no reason to disbelieve the story mentioned by a previous owner but the car can now be sold with the confidence of being and remaining clear of any Categories.
More importantly, any 'history' this car may or may not have had related to 'stolen/unrecovered' with NO DAMAGE whatsover ie the car has never been in an accident or subject to any payout as a result of accident / damage.
Above all else I believe in honesty and telling it how it is and treating people as I would want to be treated.
Regards to all, Paul.
A) This is NOT the same car that was stolen/unrecovered and the insurance paid out for.
Or
B) This IS the same car that was stolen/unrecovered and the insurance paid out for, but is no longer on the HPI register.
In both cases the car would be free from the HPI register, but there is a difference.
Much as we all appreciate your honesty, the one thing we are clear on is that it has not been involved in an accident or a collission, but if it had been stolen and not found long enough for the insurance company to pay out on, then we can only guess at what happened to the car in the missing period.
Tony.TCB.
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