V6 water pump gasket

V6 water pump gasket

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marcus1875

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143 months

Monday 19th January 2015
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Cheers Andy, a full flush is planned for the weekend (weather permitting). I'll try to get some better pics tomorrow. From what i can see and feel the surfaces seem fine, but they are manky and a good clean is in order, and repaint if i dont get a new one.
The pump itself works fine i think. It is stiff though, manually turning it, it stops immediately. Whereas i think it ought to turn more freely.
Marcus

marcus1875

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143 months

Saturday 24th January 2015
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Well, i've cleaned it all up and repainted, doesn't look to bad. Although the eagle eyed amongst you will note the lost bolt, doh.
Marcus

mrzigazaga

18,560 posts

166 months

Saturday 24th January 2015
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Looking good mate...I would get a bolt in there though..Cant remember if they are M6 or M8??...

RCK974X

2,521 posts

150 months

Saturday 24th January 2015
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BOTH - the bolts on each side of the block rubber rings are 8mm, the others are all 6mm, including the extra long bolts for the thermostat.....missing one is a 6mm I think.

Photos look good !!

Given the recent announcements around The Sun - it could at least have been Page 3 !!

marcus1875

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Saturday 24th January 2015
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Hi guys,
Thanks for that, i'm pleased how they turned out.
The bolts are all 10mm, inc the stat housing. The bigger bolts are 13mm.
I'm usually careful with bolts, i'm not sure it was there in the first place. I'll check my pics.
Marcus

marcus1875

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Sunday 25th January 2015
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Well guys, i left the new parts on the engine overnight to let sealant set. Filled with coolant and water today and it still leaks!
Its not from the seal or new gasket but from a hole under the pulley fitting, its not a bolt hole , any ideas?
Cheers
Marcus

phillpot

17,118 posts

184 months

Sunday 25th January 2015
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marcus1875 said:


Well guys, i left the new parts on the engine overnight to let sealant set. Filled with coolant and water today and it still leaks!
Its not from the seal or new gasket but from a hole under the pulley fitting, its not a bolt hole , any ideas?
Cheers
Marcus
phillpot said:
Definitely the gasket and not the seal on the pulley shaft ?


Don't know about the 2.8 but a lot of water pumps have a little hole in the casing so that if the seal does start to leak a bit the water can run out rather than wash the grease out of the bearing.

Jack Valiant

1,894 posts

237 months

Sunday 25th January 2015
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Replacement pump needed I am afraid fella .... any coolant getting past the bearing indicates its probably toast. You mentioned earlier it was tight on rotation, which is also symptomatic of a failing bearing :-(


mrzigazaga

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166 months

Sunday 25th January 2015
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mrzigazaga said:
if the pump is knackered then its worth replacing...Its no fun doing the same job twice but sometimes you have to and the second time its perfect!...
Hi Marcus...I did say it would be better to replace the pump..At least twice....Its a right PITA doing it again..I know i have been there..Luckily my water pump was replaced when i had the first engine swap although i had fun and games with the aftermarket stats being crap!.. I had to do the same job 4 times due to leaks and overheating and then eventually the lug broke off of the rear stat housing and i had to do it all over again...But it was finally done and all good...When you said it was stiff to turn when you took it off i did think that it sounded like the bearing had failed...Don't stress too much though as you will get it sorted...Ziga

RCK974X

2,521 posts

150 months

Sunday 25th January 2015
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Yep, pump is good only for the bin..... leaks from that hole means the main seal has failed (the one which protects the bearing). It's a bugger, but that's the way of things.

Trouble is new pumps are slightly stiff to turn too - it's difficult to tell.

And just because I'm a stickler for detail...
13mm head = 8mm thread
10mm head = 6mm thread

From pictures, I can confirm that that is the standard 'early' 2.3/2.8 pump, in case the shop asks....

Edited by RCK974X on Sunday 25th January 18:47

marcus1875

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1,512 posts

143 months

Sunday 25th January 2015
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Hi guys,
New one purchased, fit it next weekend weather permitting.
I had hoped it was just the lack of gasket which had caused it to leak, but never mind.
Andy,
Thanks for clearing up the bolt sizes for me. I wasnt sure what Mark meant by T6 or T8. So much for my home mechanics!
Marcus

Sardonicus

18,962 posts

222 months

Sunday 25th January 2015
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Try and source a cast iron OE pump ali pattern pumps on the Cologne where often short lived IIRC on Granada's Capri's etc

phillpot

17,118 posts

184 months

Sunday 25th January 2015
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marcus1875 said:
I wasnt sure what Mark meant by T6 or T8.
Bolts are generally referred to by their diameter not their spanner size, the "M" designates metric thread. If ordering new bolts the length quoted will be from under the head, just the length of the thread and shank.

Bolt has a shank

Set Screw is threaded up to the head.............. HTH wink

mrzigazaga

18,560 posts

166 months

Sunday 25th January 2015
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mrzigazaga said:
Looking good mate...I would get a bolt in there though..Cant remember if they are M6 or M8??...
Marcus the T6 and T8 are terminators.....biggrin

phillpot

17,118 posts

184 months

Sunday 25th January 2015
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mrzigazaga said:
Marcus the T6 and T8 are terminators.....biggrin
Torx sizes?... smile

marcus1875

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Sunday 25th January 2015
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mrzigazaga said:
Marcus the T6 and T8 are terminators.....biggrin
I'll be back.

RCK974X

2,521 posts

150 months

Monday 26th January 2015
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Oh No - DON'T get into a discussion about threads !! There's far too many.

Most of Cologne V6 threads are standard metric threads, and it's the THREAD size which determines the bolt, not its head size. But beware, there are special thread types lurking to catch you out.....seat belt being one of the more obvious ones...

The rear end is Jag, so is full of imperial (UNF) threads......

Anyway, just be aware !

RCK974X

2,521 posts

150 months

Monday 26th January 2015
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Sardonicus said:
Try and source a cast iron OE pump ali pattern pumps on the Cologne where often short lived IIRC on Granada's Capri's etc
Yeah, I noticed that, can you still even get the cast iron ones ? All replacements I've seen are ally.

440Interceptor

636 posts

148 months

Monday 26th January 2015
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RCK974X said:
Yeah, I noticed that, can you still even get the cast iron ones ? All replacements I've seen are ally.
I will be interested in the answer to that question as mine is looking rather tired.