84 280i Brake Pressure

84 280i Brake Pressure

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280iUSA

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43 posts

99 months

Saturday 11th June 2016
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Gentlemen,
Took the car for a ride yesterday and on the way home I lost brake pressure unless I pumped the pedal. Once I got home I visually inspected the car and there are no signs of leaks, reservoir is full. No issues with the brakes until now. Going to get under the car for a closer look. Any feedback would be appreciated. MT

280iUSA

Original Poster:

43 posts

99 months

Saturday 11th June 2016
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Got in the car to move it and the brakes function as they should???

ElvisWedgely

2,714 posts

165 months

Saturday 11th June 2016
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Brake fluid getting hot because rear brakes are rubbing. I bet they are back to normal when let to cool. Solution, free off brakes. Sometimes the drag may not be obvious and it could be that the old brake fluid just needs changing and would cure problem. Could also be a master cylinder problem but unlikely as it only happens on a long run. It sounds heat related.

Tony.TCB.

marcus1875

1,512 posts

142 months

Saturday 11th June 2016
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I agree. Heat related.
Happened to me, first spirited run after buying it. Brake fade on bendy country roadd is not fun.
New green stuff pads, drilled and grooved discs and new fluid solved all problems.
I would change the fluid at least.
Marcus

280iUSA

Original Poster:

43 posts

99 months

Saturday 11th June 2016
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Tony, Marcus, Thanks for the advice. Millard

RCK974X

2,521 posts

149 months

Saturday 11th June 2016
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Not arguing with the above, just adding an idea.
It's also worth checking the master cyl isn't leaking internally (I'm assuming it's not new/recon)
This can happen when seals get worn, the fluid leaks back into reservoir, so no leaks apparent.

Do this whilst car is stood, can be engine on or off.

Press hard on pedal and hold. It should go to a certain point and stop. Check that your foot doesn't slowly sink downwards.
If it does, then you've got wear and will need new seals at least.

Also on Jag based rear setups, whilst you are there, it's worth checking the handbrake mechanism is releasing properly.

mrzigazaga

18,553 posts

165 months

Saturday 11th June 2016
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Brake fluid is hygroscopic so over long periods of time it can absorb water and become less effective...Check for any black residue in the shelves of the master cylinder as this could be the seals failing or if the fluid looks dirty brown then definitely change it...

Have the brakes ever been hard to press?...If so then this could also be a sign of a failing brake servo/Booster...

280iUSA

Original Poster:

43 posts

99 months

Saturday 11th June 2016
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RCK974X,
The brake pedal performs as you state. I took a closer look at the rear pads and they definitely need replacing. I can see edge cracks. The hand brake does work but it takes a lot of pressure. Clearly could be adding to the problem.
Would appreciate suggestions on pads and rotors
Millard

280iUSA

Original Poster:

43 posts

99 months

Saturday 11th June 2016
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Mrzigazaga,
I didn't see any residue you speak of and the fluid is very clear. The brakes were performing fine before this issue.
Thanks,
Millard

RCK974X

2,521 posts

149 months

Sunday 12th June 2016
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"The brake pedal performs as you state."

Er... you didn't say which way !

OK, if pedal stops and doesn't sink any more, then that's good, no need to worry about master cyl. If it sinks, then it will need looking at.
if hbrake stiff, it could also be dragging on discs.

Rears - when I got mine, rears were sticking AND hbrake didn't work properly and was dragging. I ended up taking the diff out, as it's actually less work than trying to p*ss around in tiny spaces on your back trying to get the calipers out, so I did the rear UJs and one wheel bearing at the same time...

I used standard Jag pads, cleaned everything, put new seals in calipers, and dismantled the hbrake mechanism and had a good go with the wire brush.... one piston was really tough to get out without damage. The hbrake mechanism design is OK, but it's ratchet setup isn't good for muck/grime etc, and tends to stop self adjusting. Also I added some extra springs between the levers to push them apart (it's fairly obvious when you see how it works).

New brake fluid and many goes at bleeding (the pipe layiout doesn't help flush the bubbles) and finally got everything sorted. hbrake a lot lighter after clean and grease....

Edited by RCK974X on Sunday 12th June 00:39

Grady

1,221 posts

260 months

Sunday 12th June 2016
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I had a sticking rear caliper(s) and after a short run there was smoke pouring out from the rear. Since I had previously had the MC rebuilt by Apple Hydraulics, I just changed out the rear calipers ($60 each at O'Reiley's) and changed out the fluid. Really pretty simple.

In your case I'd look to the MC as suggested. I wouldn't fool with rebuild kits. I'd get an exchange or have yours rebuilt. Bill at Dominion should have a replacement. Grady

John042

892 posts

169 months

Sunday 12th June 2016
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Hi, a little off topic although "Wesleys" brakes did have a similar problem and was a result of a binding rear brake caliper. Andy I agree after removing the rear calipers on your back is a challenge. Therefore can I ask the difficulty of removing the diff? The reason being I still have this mechanimal noise from the transmission. It sounds like a front wheel bearing, both replaced. To aid diagnosing I've put additives into both gearbox and diff, which made no difference to the noise. My thoughts now turn to the rear wheel bearings. A task for the winter unless it gets really bad. So if I go for the rear wheel bearings would removing the differential be feasible on axle stands? Cheers J C.

TVRleigh_BBWR

6,552 posts

213 months

Sunday 12th June 2016
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John042 said:
Hi, a little off topic although "Wesleys" brakes did have a similar problem and was a result of a binding rear brake caliper. Andy I agree after removing the rear calipers on your back is a challenge. Therefore can I ask the difficulty of removing the diff? The reason being I still have this mechanimal noise from the transmission. It sounds like a front wheel bearing, both replaced. To aid diagnosing I've put additives into both gearbox and diff, which made no difference to the noise. My thoughts now turn to the rear wheel bearings. A task for the winter unless it gets really bad. So if I go for the rear wheel bearings would removing the differential be feasible on axle stands? Cheers J C.
If your using stands, is better to leave the diff in place and remove the hubs and drive shafts.
You can then easily remove and service the breaks, and the wheel bearings and the UJ. its worth doing all 3 while they are off.
Best to fit new bolts also with copper slip, also look at bushes, as easier to do while it's all apart.

280iUSA

Original Poster:

43 posts

99 months

Sunday 12th June 2016
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Thanks to everyone for your replies, much appreciated. Clearly some work ahead.
Millard

The Hatter

988 posts

170 months

Sunday 12th June 2016
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I agree that the brakes are binding and heating/boiling the brake fluid. If the front brakes are binding you'll be able to feel one of the front wheels is much hotter than the other; if it's the rear brakes you'll be able to smell burning under the rear wheelarches.

You'll also smell burning if it's the front wheels. Be suspicious if a burning smell is following you around...

280iUSA

Original Poster:

43 posts

99 months

Monday 13th June 2016
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I have the calipers removed but one of the Pistons refuses to come out. Tried compressed air but no luck. I can move it slightly with pliers but it is very tight. Any suggestion?
Thanks,
Millard

mrzigazaga

18,553 posts

165 months

Monday 13th June 2016
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Hi mate

If its stuck then there could be rust in there...If water has got into the fluid at any point...
There is a section in this very useful site....Rebuilding rear brakes.

Wedgeneering

https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=...

Although there is no explanation as regards to removing the offending item, Perhaps the man himself will be along to explain...smile

280iUSA

Original Poster:

43 posts

99 months

Monday 13th June 2016
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Appreciate the info brother.
I hit it again with air and it moved a little, very little. I get about 125 psi on my compressor. Maybe a higher psi will blow it out.
BTW, great handle.

mrzigazaga

18,553 posts

165 months

Monday 13th June 2016
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280iUSA said:
Appreciate the info brother.
I hit it again with air and it moved a little, very little. I get about 125 psi on my compressor. Maybe a higher psi will blow it out.
BTW, great handle.
Be careful ...That thing is bigger than an Anti-aircraft shell....hehe

Maybe some penetrating oil to help liberate it......smile

280iUSA

Original Poster:

43 posts

99 months

Monday 13th June 2016
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I was considering letting it soak overnight...