How to retain my EU "freedom of movement" rights?
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Right, we all know UK is "full of foreigners" as a result of EU freedom of movement. Nobody is saying the Poles who are already here will have to go home. Equally you don't have to be a worker to be able to change country. UK hasn't even started the formal exit process.
I want to retain the right to live and work anywhere in the EU. How do I do it?
I'm not in a position to get a job abroad. So far my best thought is to buy a cheap villa in Spain and claim rights as property owner. Any advances on that?
OzOs
I want to retain the right to live and work anywhere in the EU. How do I do it?
I'm not in a position to get a job abroad. So far my best thought is to buy a cheap villa in Spain and claim rights as property owner. Any advances on that?
OzOs
Movement for what? R&R or work?
If its for R&R its not likely to make any major difference.
If its for work you need to consider that its still very possible that things a) wont change much and b) other countries may still leave the EU in the years to come.
Personally unless you have complex business within the EU I see almost no advantage of changing your current position until we know more come the end of the summer.
If its for R&R its not likely to make any major difference.
If its for work you need to consider that its still very possible that things a) wont change much and b) other countries may still leave the EU in the years to come.
Personally unless you have complex business within the EU I see almost no advantage of changing your current position until we know more come the end of the summer.
Cyder said:
Or how about just wait and then discover that in all likelihood we'll end up like Norway/Iceland/Switzerland/Greenland with no problems travelling to any country.
UK voted "out" because it DOESN'T want freedom of movement. How is Boris going to control EU immigration if he decides to continue to allow EU free movement? Whatever it is, it's not going to be "we can go there but they can't come here".If simple action taken now can remove the personal risk I consider it sensible to take that action.
I read an article about this over the weekend, possibly Guardian or Independent.
Other than the moving/marrying/etc you could invest £2m+ in Cyprus, or become an e-resident of Estonia. Fortunately I already have dual nationality, and have started the process for getting it for my wife/son too.
Other than the moving/marrying/etc you could invest £2m+ in Cyprus, or become an e-resident of Estonia. Fortunately I already have dual nationality, and have started the process for getting it for my wife/son too.
Craikeybaby said:
I read an article about this over the weekend, possibly Guardian or Independent.
Other than the moving/marrying/etc you could invest £2m+ in Cyprus, or become an e-resident of Estonia. Fortunately I already have dual nationality, and have started the process for getting it for my wife/son too.
Other than the moving/marrying/etc you could invest £2m+ in Cyprus, or become an e-resident of Estonia. Fortunately I already have dual nationality, and have started the process for getting it for my wife/son too.
Estonia said:
e-Residency does not confer citizenship, tax residency, residence or right of entry to Estonia or to the European Union. The e-Resident smart ID card is not a physical identification or a travel document, and does not display a photo
Ozzie Osmond said:
If simple action taken now can remove the personal risk I consider it sensible to take that action.
What personal risk? There are loads of people living and working all over the EU who are not EU nationals, particularly Americans, what exactly are you worried about?Ozzie Osmond said:
Cyder said:
Or how about just wait and then discover that in all likelihood we'll end up like Norway/Iceland/Switzerland/Greenland with no problems travelling to any country.
UK voted "out" because it DOESN'T want freedom of movement. How is Boris going to control EU immigration if he decides to continue to allow EU free movement? Whatever it is, it's not going to be "we can go there but they can't come here".If simple action taken now can remove the personal risk I consider it sensible to take that action.
I think you're being a bit melodramatic.
Ean218 said:
What personal risk? There are loads of people living and working all over the EU who are not EU nationals, particularly Americans, what exactly are you worried about?
True - but they need to get work permits, which usually is a hassle for the company involved. I've worked in HK, Japan, India etc with a UK passport, but each time the company had to prove that no local wanted the job/ I was bringing special skills
Ozzie Osmond said:
Cyder said:
Or how about just wait and then discover that in all likelihood we'll end up like Norway/Iceland/Switzerland/Greenland with no problems travelling to any country.
UK voted "out" because it DOESN'T want freedom of movement. How is Boris going to control EU immigration if he decides to continue to allow EU free movement? Whatever it is, it's not going to be "we can go there but they can't come here".If simple action taken now can remove the personal risk I consider it sensible to take that action.
Craikeybaby said:
you could invest £2m+ in Cyprus
Absolute piffle!If you want to reside and work in Cyprus, as a non EU citizen, (known as a third country national), all that is required is you can show an income, which is considerably less than €10k, you may also need a Cypriot guarantor. How else do so many third country nationals end up as house maids, nannies etc?
As an EU citizen, you turn up at the immigration dept and apply for your pink slip, (now yellow), I'm not sure you have to prove any income, I was working when I got mine so it never came up. You may have to prove private medical insurance cover.
Prior to joining the EU, Brits wanting to live here applied to the Council of Ministers for leave to reside, you were issued with an 'Alien Card'.
If the application was turned down you had 33 years to appeal the decision, no one was ever deported for having the application turned down!
AFAIK, unless you're very, very naughty your pink slip, (now yellow), cannot be rescinded.
Cyprus has many reciprocal arrangements with UK, which predate Cyprus's entry to the EU, they are accessible on the UK gov website.
Cyder said:
Or how about just wait and then discover that in all likelihood we'll end up like Norway/Iceland/Switzerland/Greenland with no problems travelling to any country.
This. In all likelihood what we'll end up with is a position very similar to where we were anyway, with freedom of movement as the quid pro quo for continued access to the single market. Legally we'll have left the EU so the Leave campaign can say they've done what they said they would, those who voted leave (and who don't now regret it), will be happy-ish, but for the most part we can all carry on as before. Even the likes of Daniel Hannan from the Leave side are now saying 'What? Brexit reducing immigration? Don't know where you got that idea from, you must be mistaken, thought we made it obvious that a Leave vote wouldn't change net immigration that much.' Some might therefore say that the Leave campaign was hugely misleading in this respect, I'm saying nothing.Aha, finally we have the solution! I knew I could rely on PH.... 
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