The 280i rebuilding is about to commence !!
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Sireatalot said:
Morning all.
Well, the engine is very nearly finished... spent last night fitting the inlet manifold and rocker covers.
Next jobs on the list are
1- getting the injectors looked at and then fit them.
2- get a new Thermostat and then fit that and the housing. ( what temp should i be looking for ?)
3- fit the plenum
4- get the AFM refurbed
5- get new water hoses - prob go for the same blue as engine - as it is samco hose blue
6- get the exhaust manifolds ceramic coated and fitted.
7- fit the dizzy
8- start on the rest of the car !!! haha.
Must say I'm rather happy with the look of the blue and black.. considering what it looked like at the start of the rebuild !!
look great hope you bought decent gasket set or you'll start it up and I won't stay like that 😂Well, the engine is very nearly finished... spent last night fitting the inlet manifold and rocker covers.
Next jobs on the list are
1- getting the injectors looked at and then fit them.
2- get a new Thermostat and then fit that and the housing. ( what temp should i be looking for ?)
3- fit the plenum
4- get the AFM refurbed
5- get new water hoses - prob go for the same blue as engine - as it is samco hose blue
6- get the exhaust manifolds ceramic coated and fitted.
7- fit the dizzy
8- start on the rest of the car !!! haha.
Must say I'm rather happy with the look of the blue and black.. considering what it looked like at the start of the rebuild !!
v8s4me said:
Nice job! On mine the rocker cover with the oil filler neck is on the other side. Does it matter?
Well spotted...The PCV valve goes to the O/S rocker from the plenum...This is part of the crankcase breather which only goes one way so Dom they will need to be the other way round I believe..
Morning All.
Bit of a technical query guys.. hopefully someone will advise..
I have been in contact with a company in regards to getting the Fuel Distributor refurbed.
However, I am wondering whether or not it would be wise to get both the Warm up Regulator and Aux Vir Valve refurbed at the same time ?
Question really, how do the WUR and AAV work ? Are there components inside them that may have degraded over time? or are they just components that will work indefinately with a bit of a cleanup ?
Cheers All.
Dom
Bit of a technical query guys.. hopefully someone will advise..
I have been in contact with a company in regards to getting the Fuel Distributor refurbed.
However, I am wondering whether or not it would be wise to get both the Warm up Regulator and Aux Vir Valve refurbed at the same time ?
Question really, how do the WUR and AAV work ? Are there components inside them that may have degraded over time? or are they just components that will work indefinately with a bit of a cleanup ?
Cheers All.
Dom
Hi Dom
Firstly I wouldn't use any other company than KMI petrol injection...Talk to Steve...(Give him my regards if you do)
The WUR is essentially the fuel pressure regulator..It might be worth sending off to be cleaned and calibrated, a new one is around 260 beer tokens.
The AAD is part of the choke system...The plate inside exposes a small half moon shaped hole that allows extra air in on cold start, It also has a bi-metal strip that recognises the opening and closing resistances.
These units generally gum up and can be sorted with a good rinse of carb cleaner..(Off the vehicle), you can test for the resistances to make sure the electrical side is working...There are values in the Ford Capri mk3 2.8i manual.
I have a spare if you would want it..Or you can buy them new from KMI.
Hope this helps
Ziga
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=...
Firstly I wouldn't use any other company than KMI petrol injection...Talk to Steve...(Give him my regards if you do)
The WUR is essentially the fuel pressure regulator..It might be worth sending off to be cleaned and calibrated, a new one is around 260 beer tokens.
The AAD is part of the choke system...The plate inside exposes a small half moon shaped hole that allows extra air in on cold start, It also has a bi-metal strip that recognises the opening and closing resistances.
These units generally gum up and can be sorted with a good rinse of carb cleaner..(Off the vehicle), you can test for the resistances to make sure the electrical side is working...There are values in the Ford Capri mk3 2.8i manual.
I have a spare if you would want it..Or you can buy them new from KMI.
Hope this helps
Ziga
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=...
You can inspect the fuel regulator a bit yourself if you take it off the car. There's a plunger that you can carefully take out and inspect/clean/etc. It might help.
The main issue is with contamination on the inside, though - if you've had rust or similar go through it then it will have blocked the holes through which the fuel flows and it will need sorting.
The WUR is easier to take off and apart to get an idea of its condition.
I bought a spare WUR and fuel regulator and also the relevant recondition kit(s), and I have disassembled but have yet to rebuild them. Even once I have rebuilt them, calibration is going to be painful - another reason I'm procrastinating with them - and it's very likely worth talking to KMI for a professional rebuild if you only have the one set.
http://www.salvox.com/ for the rebuild kits.
This shows the innards of a fuel distributor and the rebuild kit stuff:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1fIIUSAPBM
Oh and Capri injectors are on offer on amazon at the moment if that helps...
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0049PI1CG/ref...
The main issue is with contamination on the inside, though - if you've had rust or similar go through it then it will have blocked the holes through which the fuel flows and it will need sorting.
The WUR is easier to take off and apart to get an idea of its condition.
I bought a spare WUR and fuel regulator and also the relevant recondition kit(s), and I have disassembled but have yet to rebuild them. Even once I have rebuilt them, calibration is going to be painful - another reason I'm procrastinating with them - and it's very likely worth talking to KMI for a professional rebuild if you only have the one set.
http://www.salvox.com/ for the rebuild kits.
This shows the innards of a fuel distributor and the rebuild kit stuff:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E1fIIUSAPBM
Oh and Capri injectors are on offer on amazon at the moment if that helps...
https://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/product/B0049PI1CG/ref...
Thanks TimLux, some good information there..
I have been talking with KMI - getting them to do the refurb so fingers crossed.
Now, Been thinking of getting the injectors refurbed as again, they have been sat idle for the time the 280i has been off the road..
There are a couple of companies within Bristol that refurb injectors.. I have been recommended to both of them from trusted sources. however, only one does petrol injectors.
Popped over there this morning with the 12 injectors ( now have 6 spare ) to get them done and was told, "oh I can't refurb that style injector"
He said something about not having the proper equipment to test my style injector.
Anyway, he offered to connect them to his flushing machine (my 6 original ones), just to see if they were stuck shut and they seemed to be fine - a nice even spray from the nozzles.
He commented that they looked fine and couldn't give any reason that they wouldnt be ok back on the car.
Should I still be thinking of getting them looked at by someone else? or just bite the bullet and buy new ?
Cheers All.
Dom
I have been talking with KMI - getting them to do the refurb so fingers crossed.
Now, Been thinking of getting the injectors refurbed as again, they have been sat idle for the time the 280i has been off the road..
There are a couple of companies within Bristol that refurb injectors.. I have been recommended to both of them from trusted sources. however, only one does petrol injectors.
Popped over there this morning with the 12 injectors ( now have 6 spare ) to get them done and was told, "oh I can't refurb that style injector"
He said something about not having the proper equipment to test my style injector.
Anyway, he offered to connect them to his flushing machine (my 6 original ones), just to see if they were stuck shut and they seemed to be fine - a nice even spray from the nozzles.
He commented that they looked fine and couldn't give any reason that they wouldnt be ok back on the car.
Should I still be thinking of getting them looked at by someone else? or just bite the bullet and buy new ?
Cheers All.
Dom
Pretty sure you're not going to find anybody to service the injectors - they're sealed units.
The spray pattern is one aspect of the mechanical injectors, the other is the pressure that they spray at. I got myself an injector tester in order to - in theory - save money by only buying what I needed as I had 6 "spares" and 6 in the car. In my case it turned out that I was a bit silly because the ones on the car weren't the same model as the spare ones (they should fire at a different pressure) and even after a thorough clean with an ultrasonic neither set had anything like consistency... so I ordered a full new set.
If you'd like to borrow the tester some time then let me know (I can chuck it in the car next time I come to the UK).
Tester:
https://mercedessource.com/store/cis-gas-fuel-inje...
(Out of interest, what part # do you have on your injectors?)
The spray pattern is one aspect of the mechanical injectors, the other is the pressure that they spray at. I got myself an injector tester in order to - in theory - save money by only buying what I needed as I had 6 "spares" and 6 in the car. In my case it turned out that I was a bit silly because the ones on the car weren't the same model as the spare ones (they should fire at a different pressure) and even after a thorough clean with an ultrasonic neither set had anything like consistency... so I ordered a full new set.
If you'd like to borrow the tester some time then let me know (I can chuck it in the car next time I come to the UK).
Tester:
https://mercedessource.com/store/cis-gas-fuel-inje...
(Out of interest, what part # do you have on your injectors?)
Morning all.
ok, the Fuel distributor along with the WUR have been sent off for refurb.
over the weekend, one job was to re-attach the injectors to the fuel pipe assy and fit them back onto the inlet manifold.. however, on closer inspection of the pipes running from the fuel distributor to the injectors, a couple of them look like they could do with replacement.
having a quick google, cant seem to find anything as a direct replacement !! can anyone shed any light what the best replacment pipe is ?
they are the 6x hard moulded plastic pipes with the hard rubber pipes attaching to the injectors.
The writing on the pipes reads "Cohnen 314 0206 DIN 73378 PA12 sw LT"
Cheers
Dom
ok, the Fuel distributor along with the WUR have been sent off for refurb.
over the weekend, one job was to re-attach the injectors to the fuel pipe assy and fit them back onto the inlet manifold.. however, on closer inspection of the pipes running from the fuel distributor to the injectors, a couple of them look like they could do with replacement.
having a quick google, cant seem to find anything as a direct replacement !! can anyone shed any light what the best replacment pipe is ?
they are the 6x hard moulded plastic pipes with the hard rubber pipes attaching to the injectors.
The writing on the pipes reads "Cohnen 314 0206 DIN 73378 PA12 sw LT"
Cheers
Dom
Edited by Sireatalot on Monday 6th March 08:48
Hi Dom
Here is a supplier of nylon fuel line, It has a burst pressure of 100bar which is more than enough...However the barbed fittings are heat pressed on...
This can be achieved by warming the end of the hose with a heat gun on low and then quickly pushing on the hose, personally I would do a couple of test pieces....
I believe you will need 6mm OD & 4mm ID.
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=...
Cheers
Ziga
Here is a supplier of nylon fuel line, It has a burst pressure of 100bar which is more than enough...However the barbed fittings are heat pressed on...
This can be achieved by warming the end of the hose with a heat gun on low and then quickly pushing on the hose, personally I would do a couple of test pieces....
I believe you will need 6mm OD & 4mm ID.
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=...
Cheers
Ziga
mrzigazaga said:
Hi Dom
Here is a supplier of nylon fuel line, It has a burst pressure of 100bar which is more than enough...However the barbed fittings are heat pressed on...
This can be achieved by warming the end of the hose with a heat gun on low and then quickly pushing on the hose, personally I would do a couple of test pieces....
I believe you will need 6mm OD & 4mm ID.
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=...
Cheers
Ziga
Nice one Buddy..that looks spot on, why couldn't I find that last night Here is a supplier of nylon fuel line, It has a burst pressure of 100bar which is more than enough...However the barbed fittings are heat pressed on...
This can be achieved by warming the end of the hose with a heat gun on low and then quickly pushing on the hose, personally I would do a couple of test pieces....
I believe you will need 6mm OD & 4mm ID.
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=...
Cheers
Ziga
your Goooooogleeinnng skills are 2nd to none
mrzigazaga said:
Hi Dom
I believe you will need 6mm OD & 4mm ID.
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=...
Cheers
Ziga
Morning Ziga.I believe you will need 6mm OD & 4mm ID.
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=i&rct=j&q=...
Cheers
Ziga
By all accounts this pipe is not suitable - I have it on good information that you need a 6mm OD and 2mm ID for the injectors to function correctly. Thanks for that though , just thought I'd post up
Cheers
Dom
Sireatalot said:
Morning Ziga.
By all accounts this pipe is not suitable - I have it on good information that you need a 6mm OD and 2mm ID for the injectors to function correctly. Thanks for that though , just thought I'd post up
Cheers
Dom
Oh sorry...Thought it was too good to be true...I know there was a kit that was for the Porkers with the same MFI K-jetronic...Ill do some more digging...I may have some spares, how many do you need?By all accounts this pipe is not suitable - I have it on good information that you need a 6mm OD and 2mm ID for the injectors to function correctly. Thanks for that though , just thought I'd post up
Cheers
Dom
Pretty sure the ID was 4mm???...
Give these try..
https://www.google.co.uk/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=...
Edited by mrzigazaga on Friday 10th March 11:23
mrzigazaga said:
Oh sorry...Thought it was too good to be true...I know there was a kit that was for the Porkers with the same MFI K-jetronic...Ill do some more digging...I may have some spares, how many do you need?
No worries. If I spotted that pipe, I would have thought the same.. was thinking about replacing all 6 pipes.
Ill give you a bell later on to chat.
Afternoon all.
Just thought I'd post up an update whilst having lunch.
Over the last week, I managed to get the passenger side fuel tank off the car - wanted to see what condition they were in after being stood for so long without fuel in it. Lets just say I was happily suprized when looking inside to see clean, rust free metal. Since removing it, have had a local company give it a once over ( clean flush and pressure test ) and they also said "nothing wrong with it mate, will last for ages." so a massive thumbs up . They even painted it for me !!
Same company also recored the existing radiator - taking the cores from approx 28 to now 52 - dont quote me on that though.. so cooling now shouldn't be an issue when its back on the road.
During this time also, have started on the interior - gave it a clean out and removed all the cobwebs, thats nearly ready for the interior to go back in once new carpets have been fitted which in turn, have to wait for the fuel tank brackets to be re-fitted.
so.. next on the list ( hopefully in some kind of order )
1- get new fuel tank brackets fabricated.
2 - fit the tanks back on
3 - fit new fuel pipe between tanks and then plumb in new fuel pump / filters and associated pipework
4 - finish the engine off - refit gearbox and then mount in the car !!
5 - fit the rad and all associated cooling hoses.
6 - get a new electric fan and fit ( will be getting an auto electrician to wire this in and also go over all electrics to give thumbs up)
7 - get new alternator - Mr Q, have you any more of your adjuster bars for sale, if suitable for the 280i, will be after one please.
8 - GO FOR IGNITION !!
9 - lay new carpets and fit the interior back into the car - calling Ziga !!
10 - fit the front lights and pods
11 - Poss MOT time..
12 -
Im sure I have missed stuff off here but the list is slowly getting smaller.
fingers crossed everyone !!
Just thought I'd post up an update whilst having lunch.
Over the last week, I managed to get the passenger side fuel tank off the car - wanted to see what condition they were in after being stood for so long without fuel in it. Lets just say I was happily suprized when looking inside to see clean, rust free metal. Since removing it, have had a local company give it a once over ( clean flush and pressure test ) and they also said "nothing wrong with it mate, will last for ages." so a massive thumbs up
. They even painted it for me !!Same company also recored the existing radiator - taking the cores from approx 28 to now 52 - dont quote me on that though.. so cooling now shouldn't be an issue when its back on the road.
During this time also, have started on the interior - gave it a clean out and removed all the cobwebs, thats nearly ready for the interior to go back in once new carpets have been fitted which in turn, have to wait for the fuel tank brackets to be re-fitted.
so.. next on the list ( hopefully in some kind of order )
1- get new fuel tank brackets fabricated.
2 - fit the tanks back on
3 - fit new fuel pipe between tanks and then plumb in new fuel pump / filters and associated pipework
4 - finish the engine off - refit gearbox and then mount in the car !!
5 - fit the rad and all associated cooling hoses.
6 - get a new electric fan and fit ( will be getting an auto electrician to wire this in and also go over all electrics to give thumbs up)
7 - get new alternator - Mr Q, have you any more of your adjuster bars for sale, if suitable for the 280i, will be after one please.
8 - GO FOR IGNITION !!
9 - lay new carpets and fit the interior back into the car - calling Ziga !!
10 - fit the front lights and pods
11 - Poss MOT time..
12 -
Im sure I have missed stuff off here but the list is slowly getting smaller.
fingers crossed everyone !!
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