Too much angst
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Hi Richard,
I think there are a number of points here which require clarification.
Firstly we don't have to discuss TVRCC business on the TVRCC website. If I cancel my TVRCC membership I will be doing all of my posting on here. So let's consider this say, practice.
Secondly your them and us culture has been enhanced by the way you constantly ignore members and attempt to fob them off. For example stating the treasurer will look into accountancy and auditing costs but then keeping the results to yourselves until 7 months later and only revealing them after having been prompted. I trust the treasurer's memory is a lot better when it comes to submitting the club's annual return and paying the VAT bill.
It concerns members that the club can apparently experience a loss at any time due to variable contract prices. It wouldn't take many losses of £18,500 to see the club in dire straits. I am sure we would all hope this position has now been properly rectified.
The closing and freezing of threads is an old TVRCC favourite. Ridiculously yesterday you froze a perfectly healthy discussion to merge two threads into one and then started a brand new thread with the answer to the question on the original now-frozen thread. The reason the older thread had been resurrected was because you had quite simply not delivered the answer to the question you promised over half a year ago. So then you do but on a brand new thread, closing the original one which featured the actual question. Too much smoke and mirrors for me Richard; too much smoke and mirrors.
Also it is sad, but hardly surprising there are new TVR clubs looking to form when we have to stage world war 3 to win some transparency and jump start the TVRCC committee into life. I wonder if the new club will feature the 3 year tenure rule for committee members, to protect against committee stagnation and apathy and to ensure a constant supply of new blood and ideas? What a great and positive policy that would be for the TVRCC to adopt. Don't you agree Richard? Go on, embrace the future. It's coming whether you like it or not.
We did meet on Thursday and yes there are obviously points you are yet to be convinced of, which is why you have ignored my question about the meeting on the TVRCC forum. I refer you of course to my previous point.
Finally you are only listening because you have been prodded with a stick and had to take your head out of the sand to find out where the irritation has come from. Come on Richard, do you really think you are kidding anyone?
I think there are a number of points here which require clarification.
Firstly we don't have to discuss TVRCC business on the TVRCC website. If I cancel my TVRCC membership I will be doing all of my posting on here. So let's consider this say, practice.
Secondly your them and us culture has been enhanced by the way you constantly ignore members and attempt to fob them off. For example stating the treasurer will look into accountancy and auditing costs but then keeping the results to yourselves until 7 months later and only revealing them after having been prompted. I trust the treasurer's memory is a lot better when it comes to submitting the club's annual return and paying the VAT bill.
It concerns members that the club can apparently experience a loss at any time due to variable contract prices. It wouldn't take many losses of £18,500 to see the club in dire straits. I am sure we would all hope this position has now been properly rectified.
The closing and freezing of threads is an old TVRCC favourite. Ridiculously yesterday you froze a perfectly healthy discussion to merge two threads into one and then started a brand new thread with the answer to the question on the original now-frozen thread. The reason the older thread had been resurrected was because you had quite simply not delivered the answer to the question you promised over half a year ago. So then you do but on a brand new thread, closing the original one which featured the actual question. Too much smoke and mirrors for me Richard; too much smoke and mirrors.
Also it is sad, but hardly surprising there are new TVR clubs looking to form when we have to stage world war 3 to win some transparency and jump start the TVRCC committee into life. I wonder if the new club will feature the 3 year tenure rule for committee members, to protect against committee stagnation and apathy and to ensure a constant supply of new blood and ideas? What a great and positive policy that would be for the TVRCC to adopt. Don't you agree Richard? Go on, embrace the future. It's coming whether you like it or not.
We did meet on Thursday and yes there are obviously points you are yet to be convinced of, which is why you have ignored my question about the meeting on the TVRCC forum. I refer you of course to my previous point.
Finally you are only listening because you have been prodded with a stick and had to take your head out of the sand to find out where the irritation has come from. Come on Richard, do you really think you are kidding anyone?
As a sometime member of various societies since my teens it always struck me they were stocked with 'club men', some of them little more than failed Corporals. The Committee was always formed from a rotating clique who voted each other into the various posts each year.
Why the hell a gathering of a few like-minded individuals has to result in a miniature Parliament has always baffled me. If I and my biking mates repair to the pub on a Sunday evening to speak of single-sided swingarms, the merits and demerits of the latest Ducati or whether the Stelvio Pass is better than the Vrsic Pass (Google it
) we don't have to elect Chairman, Treasurer and Under-secretary of the Fat Wallet to decide whose round it is or whose Satnav we should follow next time.
When we first started having local Pistonheads meet-ups it was a bunch of car enthusiasts gathering in a pub car park to witter on about TVRs. Somewhere along the way it got a bit political, the local meets stopped and someone formed an on-line members-only group to which one had to be invited in order to be allowed to know when the next gathering of car enthusiasts would be...
I've said it before and I'll say it again:
THEY'RE ONLY BLOODY CARS!
Why the hell a gathering of a few like-minded individuals has to result in a miniature Parliament has always baffled me. If I and my biking mates repair to the pub on a Sunday evening to speak of single-sided swingarms, the merits and demerits of the latest Ducati or whether the Stelvio Pass is better than the Vrsic Pass (Google it
) we don't have to elect Chairman, Treasurer and Under-secretary of the Fat Wallet to decide whose round it is or whose Satnav we should follow next time.When we first started having local Pistonheads meet-ups it was a bunch of car enthusiasts gathering in a pub car park to witter on about TVRs. Somewhere along the way it got a bit political, the local meets stopped and someone formed an on-line members-only group to which one had to be invited in order to be allowed to know when the next gathering of car enthusiasts would be...
I've said it before and I'll say it again:
THEY'RE ONLY BLOODY CARS!
Wedg1e said:
As a sometime member of various societies since my teens it always struck me they were stocked with 'club men', some of them little more than failed Corporals. The Committee was always formed from a rotating clique who voted each other into the various posts each year.
Why the hell a gathering of a few like-minded individuals has to result in a miniature Parliament has always baffled me. If I and my biking mates repair to the pub on a Sunday evening to speak of single-sided swingarms, the merits and demerits of the latest Ducati or whether the Stelvio Pass is better than the Vrsic Pass (Google it) we don't have to elect Chairman, Treasurer and Under-secretary of the Fat Wallet to decide whose round it is or whose Satnav we should follow next time.
When we first started having local Pistonheads meet-ups it was a bunch of car enthusiasts gathering in a pub car park to witter on about TVRs. Somewhere along the way it got a bit political, the local meets stopped and someone formed an on-line members-only group to which one had to be invited in order to be allowed to know when the next gathering of car enthusiasts would be...
I've said it before and I'll say it again:
THEY'RE ONLY BLOODY CARS!
You know, it's one of those amazing things - For quite a while me and other half were closely involved in a Kit Car club. We took it over from a previous chairman, who was just too busy. We got the manufacturer's entire contact list (after we convinced him we were serious) and emailed everyone with the last few quid in the accounts. We got membership from 23 to 650 after a year or two...Why the hell a gathering of a few like-minded individuals has to result in a miniature Parliament has always baffled me. If I and my biking mates repair to the pub on a Sunday evening to speak of single-sided swingarms, the merits and demerits of the latest Ducati or whether the Stelvio Pass is better than the Vrsic Pass (Google it
) we don't have to elect Chairman, Treasurer and Under-secretary of the Fat Wallet to decide whose round it is or whose Satnav we should follow next time.When we first started having local Pistonheads meet-ups it was a bunch of car enthusiasts gathering in a pub car park to witter on about TVRs. Somewhere along the way it got a bit political, the local meets stopped and someone formed an on-line members-only group to which one had to be invited in order to be allowed to know when the next gathering of car enthusiasts would be...
I've said it before and I'll say it again:
THEY'RE ONLY BLOODY CARS!
We were always careful to explain all decisions were for the good of the club, but we STILL got criticism for various decisions even when we gave our reasons, and being accused of dictatorship. Eventually we gave it to a committee, incorporated it, proper accounts, etc etc. And what we got was lots of stupid accusations, and only a very occasional "well done".
I think you are right Wedg1e, and agree. Passion seems to blind people. Owners can lose their sense of perspective. This can apply equally to members and to the committee/organisers.
I remember a conversation with a Triumph TSSC "enthusiast" who told me anyone who builds a Triumph based kit car should be regarded as a kind of murderer, because he/she was 'degrading the brand' and suchlike. He wouldn't admit that keeping the parts alive had any merit. I asked if if a scrapyard was therefore better than a kit and he muttered some crap and walked away.
It's THIS kind of blindness that gets in the way.
Also, as soon as any kind of organisation is formed, someone has to run it and make decisions. Someone nearly always argues that the decision is wrong because of <blah>. It's all too bloody easy for the organisers to then become defensive and political, and the rot sets in. And yes, often the committee attracts a certain type, but at least they have a passion for keeping things going.
Did we always make the right decisions when we were in charge ? Probably not. Did we try to explain WHY a decision was made if questioned? Always. Did people listen ? Not often. They just kept telling us why we were wrong, but when we started saying "well you come up here and run it then!" they went very quiet (and that's when the dictator accusations creep in).
And all for a bloody car club..... {hey, there's no Sad and Shame smiley...}
TVRJAS said:
Have you guy's come across this recent Wedge owner? Looks a right character... Made me smile anyway.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPteSzIOZ-I
God he talks some twaddle..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPteSzIOZ-I
Tunnel run was better - at least he stopped talking for a while.
Looked like the Hindhead tunnel on the A3.
To answer Henry's question - I dont think the wedge forum is any better or worse than any time in the past.
It's just much quieter than it used to be but there are still great people on here.
Not sure I can be bothered in the TVR CC politics but I hope they keep going although I am not a member anymore .. I left when I no longer had a road going TVR so kinda had nothing to talk about at meeting.
It's just much quieter than it used to be but there are still great people on here.
Not sure I can be bothered in the TVR CC politics but I hope they keep going although I am not a member anymore .. I left when I no longer had a road going TVR so kinda had nothing to talk about at meeting.
I would guess a lot if not all of the TVRCC committee are volunteers and doing this in their spare time. I know from experience that preparing financial figures on this basis is usually a lengthy process due to having to wait for the input data (although 7 months does seem a little excessive).
For my part I ceased membership probably 15 years ago, back then the club seemed to hardly involve the wedge fraternity, we were almost shunned. The mailing list seemed much more relevant. Even now, it's quite rare for TVRCC to turn up at a wedgefest with a stall, although Ralph does his bit. Showing up with a stall would send a message -> we care about wedges too.
At least whatever happens to the club we have the other outlets available to us, PH and FB, to keep in touch and exchange ideas and chat. All of course assuming we don't allow ourselves to poison these, too.
For my part I ceased membership probably 15 years ago, back then the club seemed to hardly involve the wedge fraternity, we were almost shunned. The mailing list seemed much more relevant. Even now, it's quite rare for TVRCC to turn up at a wedgefest with a stall, although Ralph does his bit. Showing up with a stall would send a message -> we care about wedges too.
At least whatever happens to the club we have the other outlets available to us, PH and FB, to keep in touch and exchange ideas and chat. All of course assuming we don't allow ourselves to poison these, too.
It's funny I have been around TVR,s for 25 years and at the start I yearned after a Wedge and when I finely managed to get enough money together my wife decided she wanted a Chim so to keep her who must be obeyed I stretched myself and bought a Wedge I went to my first TVRCC event and there was two lovely Wedges there and I have known the owners ever since and that must be nearly for 20 years and we have been friends ever since, I have never thought of the Wedge as a lower class, I have owned a Cerbera for 18 years also a Tuscan, 2 Griffs a T350 and now to keep the T350 a Wedge which I love and in the process of doing up,
I am not going on about the TVRCC as I have issues with two members of the TVRCC who are have decided they can do say anything they like about people get away with it not nice, best let there
I only ever wanted to enjoy my TVR,s but some people who are new on the scene are power crazy and will do anything to get where they want, which is such a shame as I tried to put things behind and let bygones be bygones but that's not good enough for them
Enough of that
Gents it is all about TVR,s and enjoying them but some people will try to earn money out of any club and want to be the big I am
But I still enjoy myself in my TVR,s
Enough said
I am not going on about the TVRCC as I have issues with two members of the TVRCC who are have decided they can do say anything they like about people get away with it not nice, best let there
I only ever wanted to enjoy my TVR,s but some people who are new on the scene are power crazy and will do anything to get where they want, which is such a shame as I tried to put things behind and let bygones be bygones but that's not good enough for them
Enough of that
Gents it is all about TVR,s and enjoying them but some people will try to earn money out of any club and want to be the big I am
But I still enjoy myself in my TVR,s
Enough said
RCK974X said:
rev-erend said:
God he talks some twaddle..
Tunnel run was better - at least he stopped talking for a while.
Looked like the Hindhead tunnel on the A3.
I got a real shock about 3 minutes in, and realised it's because I hit my head on the desk after falling into a coma....Tunnel run was better - at least he stopped talking for a while.
Looked like the Hindhead tunnel on the A3.
...Come on guys he is a fellow Wedger now...He is a nice lad and we invited him onto our FB page.After all he has been bitten by the same bug as us....
mrzigazaga said:
RCK974X said:
rev-erend said:
God he talks some twaddle..
Tunnel run was better - at least he stopped talking for a while.
Looked like the Hindhead tunnel on the A3.
I got a real shock about 3 minutes in, and realised it's because I hit my head on the desk after falling into a coma....Tunnel run was better - at least he stopped talking for a while.
Looked like the Hindhead tunnel on the A3.
...Come on guys he is a fellow Wedger now...He is a nice lad and we invited him onto our FB page.After all he has been bitten by the same bug as us....
Good for you Mr Ziga for seeing it as I do.
TVRJAS said:
mrzigazaga said:
RCK974X said:
rev-erend said:
God he talks some twaddle..
Tunnel run was better - at least he stopped talking for a while.
Looked like the Hindhead tunnel on the A3.
I got a real shock about 3 minutes in, and realised it's because I hit my head on the desk after falling into a coma....Tunnel run was better - at least he stopped talking for a while.
Looked like the Hindhead tunnel on the A3.
...Come on guys he is a fellow Wedger now...He is a nice lad and we invited him onto our FB page.After all he has been bitten by the same bug as us....
Good for you Mr Ziga for seeing it as I do.
"Yeeeeeeeesssssss" as loud as I could leaving me with a sore throat for a couple of days a couple of times now whilst putting the pedal to the plastic...And I admit to accidentally scaring old ladies by .." I LOVE YOU" followed by a massive wheel spin...So my conclusion is only those who have a true passion for this marquee feel the way they do..A little while back I found myself at 53 years old becoming a right GOG...Grumpy Old Git!..I found myself moaning about the birds leaving a mess from the fat balls that I put out for them...WTF.....
So good luck to the young lad and thank puck he is able to afford to enjoy an iconic Hand built British Classic V8 Sports Machine at his young age...You lucky lucky bastid....
The last thing we need is a divide amongst us..Although my take on what was said was said in jest and in a grumpy git way..I have a lot of respect for the two GOG's (
) who posted and know that having a Wedge that is not giving you SPG is one of the worst feelings ever...I know as Delilah didn't run at all for the first 6 months of ownership....So come on guys pull your finger out and sort the bloody Wedges out..You know you need to....
...Oh and please take what I say in jest as I do love you really.....Re the young lad in the vid....good on him, a few minutes chat about a car is what we get on any tv show, followed by the thrashing of the said car. So my advice would be, keep the chat, but follow it with a decent drive, chat to cam while driving and synopsis after.
As to the general TVRCC discussion. I'm not in the "club" anymore because they seem to do little or nothing for wedges, and Sprint has too many ads and focuses on newer models, or it did when i was a member.
As i said previously the PH forum is great, as long as you ignore certain posters.
Is this discussion about the feelings of PH usage and the content of PH?
Or how TVRCC treat wedges?
Or how TVRCC is thought of in the general TVR environment?
Should this thread be opened to the general TVR page to guage their views?
In my opinion, the Wedge is looked down on from TVRCC, the owners of newer cars though that i have met have never looked down on me or the car and always seem pleased to see it and me, and as said above have remained jolly good chums.
The TVRCC though.....i'm not convinced.
I think it would be interesting to get other models views.
Marcus
As to the general TVRCC discussion. I'm not in the "club" anymore because they seem to do little or nothing for wedges, and Sprint has too many ads and focuses on newer models, or it did when i was a member.
As i said previously the PH forum is great, as long as you ignore certain posters.
Is this discussion about the feelings of PH usage and the content of PH?
Or how TVRCC treat wedges?
Or how TVRCC is thought of in the general TVR environment?
Should this thread be opened to the general TVR page to guage their views?
In my opinion, the Wedge is looked down on from TVRCC, the owners of newer cars though that i have met have never looked down on me or the car and always seem pleased to see it and me, and as said above have remained jolly good chums.
The TVRCC though.....i'm not convinced.
I think it would be interesting to get other models views.
Marcus
Enthusiastic youngsters need all the support they can get, it’s what keeps the human race going!
I obviously missed there was a lot more behind the OP’s original posting than wedge factions though. Having now looked through the threads about accountancy services costs etc. on the TVRCC website I can see the angst and frustration.
Personally I’ve been in and out or the TVRCC more times than I can remember, but that is my choice, when it is useful to me I’ve joined, when no longer useful I leave. I only became a member again in July to get the discount on parts (#1 reason) and to find out when local meetings were as I have more time available these days. The magazine must be 50% adverts now though and while I’m sure that is important to fund the club, it means you can read the whole mag in an evening.
The only member of the TVRCC committee I actually know is Ralph Dodds and that is from when we both attended Dorset region events in the 80’s and 90’s. He is still a passionate wedge owner, so not sure where the perception Wedge’s are looked down on comes from. There was a time when Wedge’s were the pinnacle of TVR’s achievement and very much looked up to. My 450SE was voted car of the year one year and also appeared in the first (IIRC) TVRCC calendar. I hear the same comment from some S and Chimaera owners though, so the perception is not just with Wedge owners.
Having read all the threads now though, it does seem the TVRCC committee is out of touch with at least some of the membership. The obvious solution is for those unhappy with the situation to get actively involved, become committee members and change things. If this is blocked in some way, I’m sure many more members would be up in arms!
I obviously missed there was a lot more behind the OP’s original posting than wedge factions though. Having now looked through the threads about accountancy services costs etc. on the TVRCC website I can see the angst and frustration.
Personally I’ve been in and out or the TVRCC more times than I can remember, but that is my choice, when it is useful to me I’ve joined, when no longer useful I leave. I only became a member again in July to get the discount on parts (#1 reason) and to find out when local meetings were as I have more time available these days. The magazine must be 50% adverts now though and while I’m sure that is important to fund the club, it means you can read the whole mag in an evening.
The only member of the TVRCC committee I actually know is Ralph Dodds and that is from when we both attended Dorset region events in the 80’s and 90’s. He is still a passionate wedge owner, so not sure where the perception Wedge’s are looked down on comes from. There was a time when Wedge’s were the pinnacle of TVR’s achievement and very much looked up to. My 450SE was voted car of the year one year and also appeared in the first (IIRC) TVRCC calendar. I hear the same comment from some S and Chimaera owners though, so the perception is not just with Wedge owners.
Having read all the threads now though, it does seem the TVRCC committee is out of touch with at least some of the membership. The obvious solution is for those unhappy with the situation to get actively involved, become committee members and change things. If this is blocked in some way, I’m sure many more members would be up in arms!
marcus1875 said:
In my opinion, the Wedge is looked down on from TVRCC, the owners of newer cars though that i have met have never looked down on me or the car and always seem pleased to see it and me, and as said above have remained jolly good chums.
The TVRCC though.....i'm not convinced.
I think it would be interesting to get other models views.
Marcus
Which models would you like Marcus ?The TVRCC though.....i'm not convinced.
I think it would be interesting to get other models views.
Marcus
It has taken me 33yrs to own a wedge !
My first was a 1978 3000M (RED) in 1982. Also a not so RED Gunmetal Grey S1, on the way to a RED 4.3 Pre Cat Griff and a RED 2002 4.0 Tuscan Mk 1.
In the short time of being a Wedge owner I can only 100% state that I have thoroughly enjoyed the experience.
In my opinion I have been on the best planned, organised and executed TVR event I have been a part of (Rusty Nail Run VIII),being warmly welcomed along with a large number of associated TVR model owners from Tees Valley Region.
I would like to think that I have made some new TVR friends and contacts and have welcomed the help and support from Wedge owners when the need has arisen.
The Wedge may be looked down on by some TVR people just as the 'T' cars 'spell engine and reliability trouble'.
Only those who know ... know.
Maybe The Wedge is the best kept secret in the TVR world. One thing is certain their value (in most cases) can only go up.
I along with some chums are looking forward to your hard work in the forthcoming year for RNR VIV.
Oh just for info .....black FHC are OK .... But once refueled properly Red ones are better.
You do not have to be a member or affiliate of any Marque association to enjoy and love your personally owned P & J to make chums and have a good time with like minded people.
Hopefully catch up soon.
Englishman said:
The obvious solution is for those unhappy with the situation to get actively involved, become committee members and change things.
A good point made...Again I can only speak from personal experience..As like everything around us in the world today "Change" is the key...It is not always a good thing as it doesn't always suit every body but is inevitable.
When I was voted in to take over the BBWF the event was unfortunately very stale and needed to change if it was to live on...Hand on heart if I hadn't of done that then I'm convinced there would not of even been a BBWF 2015..Let alone 2016 and now 2017....So more often than not it is out with the old and in with the new.
My personal view on the TVRCC is that there seems to be a gaping whole in the fabric of it all..That needs to be sewn up...
There needs to be fresh blood to create exciting events for members..Then all the events that the RO's and members organise are a bonus and add to the bigger picture...In my view and through what I have personally experienced through my dealings with the TVRCC on a professional level there does unfortunately seem to be lack of enthusiasm on a grand scale.
I have tried to promote the club every year and encourage new members but with very little or no support from the club, Which I think is sad, Even up as far as this years Wedgefest we negotiated with Footman James insurance so that any new members get a slightly higher discount than normal.
Im not on the committee and to be fair to their members don't really have the time to be..Although if I was then I would be dedicated to the cause.
It will be an interesting time ..I know a club is not for every one but in fairness it would be nice if we had a club that fully supported ALL models even up to tooling for producing hard - to - get - parts for ALL TVR's.
I find the website old-fashioned and Sprint for me does not engage people enough...There are a lot of ways of doing that but none are being practiced..Yes I could contribute but this just causes apathy as they are relying upon members only when they also have a responsibility.
At the moment its a game of chess and its "Check"...Be sure of your next move!....
Ziga
As a long time Wedge owner, PH member, 4 year BBWF attendee and a long time member of the TVRCC I too feel that I should air my opinion.
I don't ever remember being asked to vote for a BBWF organiser or even being made aware of who the nominees were. So, if I didn't vote, surely there are plenty of others who didn't. Mark keeps banging on about being voted in, but if he was, it must have been unfairy as we didn't get to vote. Consequently, I and others like me have been driven out of the entire wedge scene. How can we support something we were excluded from? It's things like this that has created a division amongst wedge owners. I too would like to be a part of it, but a small group have taken over with no regard for others and use bullying tactics against the minority . It's little wonder that the TVRCC is not giving the support these people are expecting. I am a TVR and Wedge owner and enthusiast too, but every time I air my opinion all I get is abuse and rude gestures.
Life is too short for these arguments, but if I feel I'm being treated unfairly then I must speak up. It might be easier for me to just sell my TVR and let them get on with it but then I think why should I sell something that I really enjoy? The solution I think is for all involved to get together and have a mature discussion to settle the differences once and for all. That is what needs to be organised. I don't bear a grudge and would love to see the Wedge community united as one like the old days when owning and discussing our cars was fun and enjoyable. I am not claiming to be an expert on wedges, just someone who enjoys the ownership, use and maintance of my car.
Tony. TCB.
I don't ever remember being asked to vote for a BBWF organiser or even being made aware of who the nominees were. So, if I didn't vote, surely there are plenty of others who didn't. Mark keeps banging on about being voted in, but if he was, it must have been unfairy as we didn't get to vote. Consequently, I and others like me have been driven out of the entire wedge scene. How can we support something we were excluded from? It's things like this that has created a division amongst wedge owners. I too would like to be a part of it, but a small group have taken over with no regard for others and use bullying tactics against the minority . It's little wonder that the TVRCC is not giving the support these people are expecting. I am a TVR and Wedge owner and enthusiast too, but every time I air my opinion all I get is abuse and rude gestures.
Life is too short for these arguments, but if I feel I'm being treated unfairly then I must speak up. It might be easier for me to just sell my TVR and let them get on with it but then I think why should I sell something that I really enjoy? The solution I think is for all involved to get together and have a mature discussion to settle the differences once and for all. That is what needs to be organised. I don't bear a grudge and would love to see the Wedge community united as one like the old days when owning and discussing our cars was fun and enjoyable. I am not claiming to be an expert on wedges, just someone who enjoys the ownership, use and maintance of my car.
Tony. TCB.
TVRJAS said:
So you've got a new young fresh faced Wedge owner full of passion and excitement with plans to get his car restored and you Mock him. Nice one. Good for you Mr Ziga for seeing it as I do.
No, you misunderstand. I would not EVER mock him for being a TVR owner, I mocked him for being a truly CRAP selfie-movie maker.Watching that was not fun. Perhaps I gave up watching too soon, having read the comments since, but for me there was no passion, no excitement, no 'grin factor' and THAT'S what I mock. Did he thrash the car later ? Ok, then I'm wrong. But in the same way, I found J. Clarkson esq. an insufferable idiot, so perhaps it's me. The cry of "JUST F**KING DRIVE THE THING!!" always goes through my head when watching ....
But of course that's just my opinion. And I thought it was funny. And I'm a Grumpy old sod who just doesn't understand the selfie generation...
Lastly I should say "OK...fair comment, but I was only joking..."
Edited by RCK974X on Wednesday 19th October 00:15
Edited by RCK974X on Wednesday 19th October 00:20
RCK974X said:
I mocked him for being a truly CRAP selfie-movie maker.
But of course that's just my opinion. " And you are entitled to it"
But myself and his 102,800 subscribers like his approach.But of course that's just my opinion. " And you are entitled to it"
Edited by RCK974X on Wednesday 19th October 00:15
That's a wide audience he has just reached,many subscribers living over in the States that have never even heard of a Wedge.
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